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SydneyCroatia wrote:Can someone provide evidence of these huge crowds at Belmore in NSL days?
I've looked at a few random games and there have been a couple of derbies that drew between 8-12k... but the vast majority of games were under 5k 1998/99 Season at Belmore - I have taken a run of games to show it wasnt a one off. Olympic was always amognst the biggest drawers of the old comp. And still is of the NSWPL along with Sydney United and Rockdale. Crowds offcourse fluctuate - you will get times in history when Olympics crowds dipped like all clubs - but there were moments when it was rocking and the atmosphere electric. *** bear in mind crowds were always larger then the official crowds. Played (18/10/1998) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : B Hugo, Crowd : 9348 Sydney Olympic 2-1 Brisbane Strikers Played (01/11/1998) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : J Blaney, Crowd : 5493 Sydney Olympic 5-0 Canberra Cosmos Played (15/11/1998) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : G Leverton, Crowd : 4848 Sydney Olympic 0-0 Gippsland Falcons Played (29/11/1998) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : J Tippett, Crowd : 5015 Sydney Olympic 2-1 Newcastle Breakers Played (20/12/1998) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : M Shield, Crowd : 6898 Sydney Olympic 3 -1 Perth Glory 1999/2000 Season Played (3/01/2000) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : M Breeze, Crowd : 8134 Sydney Olympic 1-1 Perth Glory Played (23/01/2000) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : S Micallef, Crowd : 8439 Sydney Olympic 6-0 South Melbourne Played (6/02/2000) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : E Lennie, Crowd : 6245 Sydney Olympic 7-3 Canberra Cosmos Played (13/02/2000) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : S Micallef, Crowd : 5638 Sydney Olympic 2-2 Wollongong layed (27/02/2000) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : S Micallef, Crowd : 7232 Sydney Olympic 3-1 Northern Spirit 2000/2001 Season Played (12/11/2000) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : M Breeze, Crowd : 6643 Sydney Olympic 3-0 Carlton Played (26/11/2000) Belmore Sports Ground Referee : S Micallef, Crowd : 6182 Sydney Olympic 1-0 Melbourne Knights Edited by olympic1: 23/2/2012 01:22:58 PM
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BusbyBabe wrote:BusbyBabe wrote:FortressBelmore wrote: which is a great achievement for a game with no advertising and no publicity Can you expand on this? Maybe I am the wrong person as I play against these teams but I was flooded with adverstising for this. For anyone involved in football in NSW, they knew about the Premier League final. Again FortressBelmore, I want to know how you think the game had no advertising and publicity? It sounds like Olympic fans are just saying, well if we advertised it we would have had triple that. Again, I am not having a go at the crowds, they are great and have been for years I just want to know how you think there was no advertising for that game? Of course you knew about it because as you said you play in these competitions against these teams and it is only normal that you would have known. Given it was a state league Grand Final, I didnt expect and i didnt see any adverts or any marketing for this match, SBS and FOX only mentioned it 1 week after the event they didnt even give the event a plug in the days prior to the match. Unless you went and looked on the NSWPL website or the facebook pages of the respective clubs involved, there was no inkling that there was even a match that was taking place
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Olympic1
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Yes and what advertisement was done was done by the fans. A true grassroots movement.
We have moved forward. It is a shame some people try to drag us down by using outdated stereotypes.
It seems as though people dont want us to move on and expect us to fulfill the role of bitter football fans.
Well we are not - we are not victims, we are a part of modern football and we embrace everyone.
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T be fair I saw heaps of Telephone poll posters advertising the match and it was in the Fairfield advertiser. I do however work in the area the match was (sort of) taking place so for the locals it was advetised well, I'm sure the local radio stations would have plugged it also.
As for major News Papers, I don't think they got in to it and unless yo're a football tragic you wouldn't of been able to see or heard any advertising.
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Olympic1 - I wasn't dragging Olympic down. All I was saying was that, people saying there was zero adverstising are kidding themselves.
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Minimalistix
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SydneyCroatia wrote:Can someone provide evidence of these huge crowds at Belmore in NSL days?
I've looked at a few random games and there have been a couple of derbies that drew between 8-12k... but the vast majority of games were under 5k Olympic were notorious for putting down their crowd numbers for tax reasons apparently. Heard a plenty of time from my old man and his Austrian best mate that the same crowd that was at the NSWPL GF Olympic would get at a regular match except they would announce it as 5000 people. Apparently the crowd always use to laugh when the crowd announcement was made.
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Olympic1
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Minimalistix wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:Can someone provide evidence of these huge crowds at Belmore in NSL days?
I've looked at a few random games and there have been a couple of derbies that drew between 8-12k... but the vast majority of games were under 5k Olympic were notorious for putting down their crowd numbers for tax reasons apparently. Heard a plenty of time from my old man and his Austrian best mate that the same crowd that was at the NSWPL GF Olympic would get at a regular match except they would announce it as 5000 people. Apparently the crowd always use to laugh when the crowd announcement was made. Correct - I was at the games. Similar crowds at Belmore for the Bulldogs were announced as 10,000, yet for Olympic games were announced as 5 or 6,000. People use to laugh and even boo the announcer. They knew it was all made up.
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Minimalistix wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:Can someone provide evidence of these huge crowds at Belmore in NSL days?
I've looked at a few random games and there have been a couple of derbies that drew between 8-12k... but the vast majority of games were under 5k Olympic were notorious for putting down their crowd numbers for tax reasons apparently. Heard a plenty of time from my old man and his Austrian best mate that the same crowd that was at the NSWPL GF Olympic would get at a regular match except they would announce it as 5000 people. Apparently the crowd always use to laugh when the crowd announcement was made. LOL When i was at matches with mates in the 90s we used to laugh at the same antics you're talking about that were employed by various Olympic boards during the years
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Olympic1 wrote:Minimalistix wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:Can someone provide evidence of these huge crowds at Belmore in NSL days?
I've looked at a few random games and there have been a couple of derbies that drew between 8-12k... but the vast majority of games were under 5k Olympic were notorious for putting down their crowd numbers for tax reasons apparently. Heard a plenty of time from my old man and his Austrian best mate that the same crowd that was at the NSWPL GF Olympic would get at a regular match except they would announce it as 5000 people. Apparently the crowd always use to laugh when the crowd announcement was made. Correct - I was at the games. Similar crowds at Belmore for the Bulldogs were announced as 10,000, yet for Olympic games were announced as 5 or 6,000. People use to laugh and even boo the announcer. They knew it was all made up. Everyone knew except Taxation :lol:
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Minimalistix wrote:Olympic1 wrote:Minimalistix wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:Can someone provide evidence of these huge crowds at Belmore in NSL days?
I've looked at a few random games and there have been a couple of derbies that drew between 8-12k... but the vast majority of games were under 5k Olympic were notorious for putting down their crowd numbers for tax reasons apparently. Heard a plenty of time from my old man and his Austrian best mate that the same crowd that was at the NSWPL GF Olympic would get at a regular match except they would announce it as 5000 people. Apparently the crowd always use to laugh when the crowd announcement was made. Correct - I was at the games. Similar crowds at Belmore for the Bulldogs were announced as 10,000, yet for Olympic games were announced as 5 or 6,000. People use to laugh and even boo the announcer. They knew it was all made up. Everyone knew except Taxation :lol: Some great moments. Some great characters. I remember the newspaper guy coming around the stands before each game. Well before you got into the stadium you needed to navigate the lady selling peanuts at the gate. The newspaper guy eventually diversified into videos, first family orientated, then I believe pornos when he found the level most football fans are at :) I remember the last minute equaliser Chris Trajanovski scored at Lieichardt and fans swamped the pitch carrying him off on their shoulders. Great memories, would love to let new football fans share the Olympic experience.
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Olympic1
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Olympic1 wrote:Minimalistix wrote:Olympic1 wrote:Minimalistix wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:Can someone provide evidence of these huge crowds at Belmore in NSL days?
I've looked at a few random games and there have been a couple of derbies that drew between 8-12k... but the vast majority of games were under 5k Olympic were notorious for putting down their crowd numbers for tax reasons apparently. Heard a plenty of time from my old man and his Austrian best mate that the same crowd that was at the NSWPL GF Olympic would get at a regular match except they would announce it as 5000 people. Apparently the crowd always use to laugh when the crowd announcement was made. Correct - I was at the games. Similar crowds at Belmore for the Bulldogs were announced as 10,000, yet for Olympic games were announced as 5 or 6,000. People use to laugh and even boo the announcer. They knew it was all made up. Everyone knew except Taxation :lol: Some great moments. Some great characters. I remember the newspaper guy coming around the stands before each game. Well before you got into the stadium you needed to navigate the lady selling peanuts at the gate. The newspaper guy eventually diversified into videos, first family orientated, then I believe pornos when he found the level most football fans are at :) I remember the last minute equaliser Chris Trajanovski scored at Lieichardt and fans swamped the pitch carrying him off on their shoulders. This is what community football is all about. Great memories, would love to let new football fans share the Olympic experience.
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FortressBelmore wrote:Ask anybody who doesnt have an agenda and they'll tell you Olympic were the biggest crowd pullers in the 80s and 90s
Putting aside the fact that Olympic in the old days used to be run by people who had their own best interests at heart instaed of the clubs.
There are many examples of 14-15k crowds regularly for big games at Leichhardt and Belmore and sometimes more and before that at St George Stadium but for whatever reason the club would officially announce crowds as being smaller than they actually were no doubt so the people running the club at the time could pocket extra money for themselves 80s and 90s eh? I checked the 1987 season in two minutes (the first year that the NSL went back to one division) and found this: Rd 2 Olympic v Sydney Utd Sunday, 6 April Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 8225 Rd 4 Olympic v St George Sunday, 20 April Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 3732 Rd 6 Olympic v Heidelberg Sunday, 4 May Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 4678 Rd 8 Olympic v Marconi Sunday, 18 May Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 4642 Rd 10 Olympic v Footscray Sunday 1 June Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 4324 Massive crowds...apart from one decent crowd against Sydney Utd, what else is there? Dont give out that tripe about crowds being under stated either. Dream on... And fundraising? I remember being at Olympic matches when the old Greeks would do a lap of the ground at half time with a blanket and people would throw coins onto the blanket to "help the club". And you have already pretended to be a club for all comers...remember Olympic Sharks playing out of Toyota Park? What a success...
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SouthernSyd wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Ask anybody who doesnt have an agenda and they'll tell you Olympic were the biggest crowd pullers in the 80s and 90s
Putting aside the fact that Olympic in the old days used to be run by people who had their own best interests at heart instaed of the clubs.
There are many examples of 14-15k crowds regularly for big games at Leichhardt and Belmore and sometimes more and before that at St George Stadium but for whatever reason the club would officially announce crowds as being smaller than they actually were no doubt so the people running the club at the time could pocket extra money for themselves 80s and 90s eh? I checked the 1987 season in two minutes (the first year that the NSL went back to one division) and found this: Rd 2 Olympic v Sydney Utd Sunday, 6 April Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 8225 Rd 4 Olympic v St George Sunday, 20 April Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 3732 Rd 6 Olympic v Heidelberg Sunday, 4 May Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 4678 Rd 8 Olympic v Marconi Sunday, 18 May Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 4642 Rd 10 Olympic v Footscray Sunday 1 June Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 4324 Massive crowds...apart from one decent crowd against Sydney Utd, what else is there? Dont give out that tripe about crowds being under stated either. Dream on... And fundraising? I remember being at Olympic matches when the old Greeks would do a lap of the ground at half time with a blanket and people would throw coins onto the blanket to "help the club". And you have already pretended to be a club for all comers...remember Olympic Sharks playing out of Toyota Park? What a success... 1. it's well known it was understated for dodgy tax reasons idiot. 2. that is proof we are open to all supporters, but all you redneck racists aren't open to following an Australian Club of a cultural background.
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Minimalistix wrote:
1. it's well known it was understated for dodgy tax reasons idiot.
I'm sure they were, I have no reason to disbelieve you, but you do understand they are the officially released figures...which of course is the only solid evidence people have to evaluate. I'm not sure admitting Sydney Olympic to the A-league is the best move the FFA could make for a whole range of reasons, but mostly about expanding the code and the best vehicle to do that is a new club imo. I think there is a role for the ex NSL clubs to play in the fabric of Australian football and they should be engaged through a Cup competition and perhaps even through a second tier comp. If Sydney Olympic believes they can tick the boxes, in regards to admittance to the A-League, then I personally would like to see them submit an application and tender for a licence...until that time isn't it all the conjecture just hyperbole? Edited by Joffa: 23/2/2012 09:24:53 PM
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Joffa wrote:Minimalistix wrote:
1. it's well known it was understated for dodgy tax reasons idiot.
I'm sure they were, I have no reason to disbelieve you, but you do understand they are the officially released figures...which of course is the only solid evidence people have to evaluate. This video for example, it's a clearly and obviously packed out Leichardt Oval. Capacity is 22,000 but announced crowd is 8672. Do you honestly think theres 8672 when clearly both stands are virtually full and the grass area? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGA-cNuJh7wEdited by Minimalistix: 23/2/2012 09:38:52 PM
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Minimalistix wrote:Joffa wrote:Minimalistix wrote:
1. it's well known it was understated for dodgy tax reasons idiot.
I'm sure they were, I have no reason to disbelieve you, but you do understand they are the officially released figures...which of course is the only solid evidence people have to evaluate. This video for example, it's a clearly and obviously packed out Leichardt Oval. Capacity is 22,000 but announced crowd is 8672. Do you honestly think theres 8672 when clearly both stands are virtually full and the grass area? [/youtube]v=rGA-cNuJh7w[/youtube] Edited by Joffa: 23/2/2012 09:39:43 PM
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[youtube]rGA-cNuJh7w[/youtube]
crowd certainly looks more than 8k to me, I would say in the 12k to 14k range at a guess
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Minimalistix wrote:SouthernSyd wrote:FortressBelmore wrote:Ask anybody who doesnt have an agenda and they'll tell you Olympic were the biggest crowd pullers in the 80s and 90s
Putting aside the fact that Olympic in the old days used to be run by people who had their own best interests at heart instaed of the clubs.
There are many examples of 14-15k crowds regularly for big games at Leichhardt and Belmore and sometimes more and before that at St George Stadium but for whatever reason the club would officially announce crowds as being smaller than they actually were no doubt so the people running the club at the time could pocket extra money for themselves 80s and 90s eh? I checked the 1987 season in two minutes (the first year that the NSL went back to one division) and found this: Rd 2 Olympic v Sydney Utd Sunday, 6 April Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 8225 Rd 4 Olympic v St George Sunday, 20 April Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 3732 Rd 6 Olympic v Heidelberg Sunday, 4 May Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 4678 Rd 8 Olympic v Marconi Sunday, 18 May Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 4642 Rd 10 Olympic v Footscray Sunday 1 June Venue: St George Stadium, Sydney. Attendance: 4324 Massive crowds...apart from one decent crowd against Sydney Utd, what else is there? Dont give out that tripe about crowds being under stated either. Dream on... And fundraising? I remember being at Olympic matches when the old Greeks would do a lap of the ground at half time with a blanket and people would throw coins onto the blanket to "help the club". And you have already pretended to be a club for all comers...remember Olympic Sharks playing out of Toyota Park? What a success... 1. it's well known it was understated for dodgy tax reasons idiot. 2. that is proof we are open to all supporters, but all you redneck racists aren't open to following an Australian Club of a cultural background. 1. Rubbish. Unlike you, I was at games like this and know full well what sort of crowds attended. 2. You have no idea about me. But just for the record, I followed an ethnic club in the NSL and still follow the same club today. This is about facts and figures. Putting some reality into this discussion from people who were actually there. But not to worry. I revisited this forum after a while away just for curiousity's sake and can see that nothing has changed. Still the same fools. I have better things to do...
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Joffa wrote:[youtube]rGA-cNuJh7w[/youtube]
crowd certainly looks more than 8k to me, I would say in the 12k to 14k range at a guess agreed. As I said, Olympic were notorious for putting down crowd figures so they can do dodgies with the tax department. :lol:
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Irrelevant, you can't use that argument as part of your bid. Unless you want tobe laughed at
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Minimalistix
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No shit.
The point im making is we did get good crowds of 10k+ often. Just not recorded that way. :lol:
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It's a moot point though. Even if you were getting 100k through the gates it really would have no bearing on your 'bid' because official records state 3/4/5/6k
Not sure why a non-profit organisation would be taking part in tax evasion. I'd say that any dodgy reporting of figures had more to do with directors lining their pockets
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Lets talk about facts here not fudged figures. Fact is Olympic regularly drew close to or over 10,000 people at Leichardt and Belmore. We did it then, believe me we can do it again. And we can built on it as more and more fans come on board.
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Olympic1 wrote:Lets talk about facts here not fudged figures. Fact is Olympic regularly drew close to or over 10,000 people at Leichardt and Belmore. We did it then, believe me we can do it again. And we can built on it as more and more fans come on board. That isn't fact though. Don't get me wrong, I am not doubting it, however, great crowds isn't going to be a certainty.
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At the end of the day, all this talk is irrelevant.
The FFA (and especially whilst Lowy is alive and in power) will not admit an NSL club and especially one with an ethnic link.
It just won't happen.
It doesn't matter if you have 100 million in the bank for the club.
Lowy and his FFA mates will never entertain a club like Olympic joining it's league.
Go and ask the great people at South Melbourne, how they were shafted for the Heart despite having a much better bid. Also I am certain South prpeared a much better bid than Olympic ever could.
Sorry to rain on your parade guys, but all this talk of Olympic to the A-League is simply just talk. Your only hope of playing in the top league would be if a rebel one ever eventuated.
Best of luck with your bid and I will be the first congratulating you on it BUT I remain of the view, that there is more chance of Lowy getting on national television and announcing that he has converted to Islam. That is the reality.
Edited by ralerasic: 24/2/2012 11:17:46 AM
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ralerasic wrote:At the end of the day, all this talk is irrelevant.
The FFA (and especially whilst Lowy is alive and in power) will not admit an NSL club and especially one with an ethnic link.
It just won't happen.
It doesn't matter if you have 100 million in the bank for the club.
Lowy and his FFA mates will never entertain a club like Olympic joining it's league.
Go and ask the great people at South Melbourne, how they were shafted for the Heart despite having a much better bid. Also I am certain South prpeared a much better bid than Olympic ever could.
Sorry to rain on your parade guys, but all this talk of Olympic to the A-League is simply just talk. Your only hope of playing in the top league would be if a rebel one ever eventuated.
Best of luck with your bid and I will be the first congratulating you on it BUT I remain of the view, that there is more chance of Lowy getting on national television and announcing that he has converted to Islam. That is the reality.
Edited by ralerasic: 24/2/2012 11:17:46 AM Out of curiosity what do u think of this website? http://anthonysiokos.wordpress.com/
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Minimalistix wrote:Kolner wrote:Olympic1 wrote:Remember - we offer a tight, stable, sustainable model - Something that, given the current finances of many clubs, would be a massvie weight of the FFA's mind. as a rockdale supporter, ive applauded the inititaives taking place at olympic recently and its largely visible on the field with tskea at the helm. but to extend that to justification for admission to the a-league is a far fetched proposition. i dont know how you determine "tight, stable, sustainable model", maybe you can enlighten us a bit becuase last time i checked its a gigantic leap from bankrolling a state league team toan aleague franchise, et alone capturing the hearts and minds of a wider demographic to your traditional supporter base. Kolner, go through Olympic's history, whenever we have needed money, Olympic has always gotten it. mate, those some people have in more recent times not given the cash because theyre sick and tired of giving. ow one can put forward a sustainable financial model is beyond me considering there were players at the end of last season, a successful season, who werent paid! as i said, good luck to olympic and i wish the club well because it has in the past produced some quality players and given me a sydney based option when it came to watching NSL games, together with my trips to melita stadium and king tom. but the facts remains: geographically you clash with sydney fc's catchment area; financially you're nowhere near being in a position to be an a-league franchise; supporter wise you will struggle to draw fans who are not of greek descent unless affiliated with the club; and theres a more pressing need to install a new franchise in west sydney, one free of any ethnic roots; i dont say this disrespectfully, or because i support a rival PL club. anyway, no doubt the debate will continue.
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Olympic1 wrote:Lets talk about facts here not fudged figures. Fact is Olympic regularly drew close to or over 10,000 people at Leichardt and Belmore. We did it then, believe me we can do it again. And we can built on it as more and more fans come on board. the 10k crowds were few and far between. i can recall plenty of games where the average crowd was well under 5k as well. did u want to remind us all about the corwds at sutherland when u played there? or at the sfs when u tried to go mainstream? it didnt work and it wont work now. oh and half the wogs who used to go dont care anymore. its reality for all wog clubs. the next gen dont care about the wog club scene like their parents generation who considered it their badge of honour to attend and support their club.
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Kolner wrote:Olympic1 wrote:Lets talk about facts here not fudged figures. Fact is Olympic regularly drew close to or over 10,000 people at Leichardt and Belmore. We did it then, believe me we can do it again. And we can built on it as more and more fans come on board. the 10k crowds were few and far between. i can recall plenty of games where the average crowd was well under 5k as well. did u want to remind us all about the corwds at sutherland when u played there? or at the sfs when u tried to go mainstream? it didnt work and it wont work now. oh and half the wogs who used to go dont care anymore. its reality for all wog clubs. the next gen dont care about the wog club scene like their parents generation who considered it their badge of honour to attend and support their club. This is something we can touch on - but do not want to get dragged down. One might say SFC has much more promotion then the old NSL clubs - but cumultively, more people attended Sydney games (combine Melita, Olympic, Marconi, Sydney United - dont even need to include the spirit) in the old NSL then they do in Sydney today in the A-league. But I don't care about this. I care about my team. And the fact it can offer an alternative to the franchise model. Edited by olympic1: 24/2/2012 05:19:00 PM
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I would not care what team comes in but they have to be financially solid and work
also the ethnic problems and fighting teams had back then have to be a NO nsl teams with bad history should not be added again.
not saying Olympic has bad history.
but i also think i they come into the a-league they should not reply so much on the ethnic side of things it has cause problems in the old nsl
and if they dont would the fans still be loyal who knows
any team is welcome in the a-league only if it helps the league
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