The FFV dont give a rats #uck about the clubs in their federation only about their 2 elite comps next season, im making a real push with mates at club level to not pay their affiliation fees next season if those 2 comps go ahead. These moves the FFV are doing will in real terms kill local soccer in the melbourne metro area, they really need a reality check at FFV headquarters!!

No, that was the NSL :lol:

I agree though that these changes appear completely and utterly useless.

As much as the concept of building the 2nd tier is great , I can't see the value in trying to start again, unless there is a real push to make this a true 2nd national tier work . That is the only reason I would see this more zonal approach being developed.

At the end of the day, fans of teams that are not chosen to represent a zone will felt left out, in the same vein that people feel that way towards the HAL. Its a failed approach IMHO.


Edited by heart_fan: 1/5/2012 05:21:48 PM

I agree Arthur

it seems that the FFA is hell bent on creating Player development channels to be filtered directly to the HAL clubs - yet these clubs cannot even mange the most basic of football affairs in most instances

They have shown no desire to nurture talentthrough their own youth - in victoria the Heart and Victory Youth and womens teams are financed by the FFV

I just don't get it

Hopefully sanity will prevail - but then again the track record suggests otherwise

This is set up to filter players (Masrket Value) directly to the HAL teams and the FFA get a share of the spoils

This is not sport - this is mafia business

just 1 thing missing from Chris's thread there wont be 1 elite league but 2 so VPL will be the 3rd tier league in Victoria,lets hope those hush hush meetings taking place come into fruitation because if it dosnt Melb Storm and the AFL will be getting new supporters as traditional supporters of soccer/football will desert the game in droves.

If this happens Chris, Football will be dead in this State.

Sth Melb not a shoe in just yet there are certain things you need to know!! if Sth or Knights enter that comp there are restrictions like! 1- no greek or croatian flags if brought to a game club gets $10,000 fine,2- if any supporters yell out hellas hellas or croacija croacija at any game clubs get fined $5,000 per chant both clubs will be broke by midway through season going by the rules of contract.This is why Melb Knights wont be taking part. 10 of the 12 VPL clubs looking at breaking away from FFV 4 divi 1 teams looking at joining them to create a 14 team comp. Clubs are frustrated at how the game is run at FFV headquarters and NSW premier clubs looking at doing the same and a summer cup will be contested between top 4 clubs of both states in direct competition with the HAL running in a group stage format. These moves were 1st discussed 3 years ago but with the impending revamp of state comps this idea is being fast tracked for next season.Watch this space grave news for coffers of state feds if these powerhouse teams defect and create their own comp. News has it that FA will assist in making it happen.=d>

OK This is what I have heard from various sources - apparently the announcement has been delayed but there should be an announcement in June/July

FFV cannot sustain a zonal set up at senior level in each region - nor can they find any investors to run a senior zonal team

clubs are being spoken to by FFV stakeholders to represent that zone

Have a seat Kapow and friends but smfc is one of the clubs that have reached an understanding and that agreement includes name and colours rather than central fc for example - meaning South Melbourne FC (Blue and White) will be THE representative of its zone

The writing was on the wall 3 years ago and smfc were prepared covering all angles without disclosing too much

The announcement later this season will confirm the above - this will be part of an overall announcement to a re-launch of the VPL for season 2013

Infrastructure will be the anchor - especially spectator friendly feasibilities etc


Apparently this system will be the embryo of a B League which will be an eastern seaboard comp - predominantly made up of Vic and NSW - with added elements of Qld - SA and ACT at a later point

Proposal for a B-League to launch in 2015

Now the fucked up part and the reason why I shake my head at the way football is run in this country

Plan is to make the second tier an under 23 comp - which will be set up as a feeder for HAL - what a croc of shit - rather than introducing a true 2nd tier to will prop up the HAL - it appears the plan is for these second tier teams to relieve the burden of HAL clubs of youth and perhaps even womens

How bloody convenient - who on earth would be interested in watching a second tier comp made up of U 23 squads

This is the sticking point - Lets wait and see what happens

I for one am a big endorser of player development - but to have the oldest player in the squad 22 years old ???????

Also what about players that are 25 years old and on the verge of something better

I propose teams field their strongest line up with a view to win the league and an opportunity to grab a headline - each of these teams to have a youth team (no sweat as they already do) which will produce the same level anyway as far as player development is concerned - with an opportunity to make the seniors via performance and improvement

Aspiration and Hunger are just as important as the technical stuff when it comes to player development

Edited by chris: 30/4/2012 09:15:52 PM

I personally beleive it is a reasonable idea and one that would provide many benefits though I would do it slightly different.

I would have an Eastern Seaboard League run during summer, qualification to the ESL would be by finishing top four in NSWPL and VPL champions of SA & QLD. Travel costs and admin costs to be budgets with a 10% variation as affiliation fee matches to be played home and away. Preferably Friday nights and Saturday nights and avoid clashes with A-League.

Draft system for unused A-League players to participate in competition instaed of NYL.

Provides higher level of competition for emerging players.

A-League Franchises may only loan players from this competition to cover for player injuries.

As per the National Curriculum will provide more competitive matches for emerging players, provides nearly 40 match season for emerging players.

Travel costs will be the highest cost airfares at $300K and bus transfers approx $100K for parties of 16. Representing $40K per club add $10K for Admin costs thats $50K at 9 home games that means a club needs to generate $6,000 at $10 thats 600 people.

Hopefully SBS would be interested even if its to just televise games or highlight packages for no fee.

I thinks its do able and beneficial for the game. Of course what else would I say :d

Edited by Arthur: 1/5/2012 08:30:54 AM

This, obviously. ;)

And whilst I prefer using existing clubs in order to keep costs at a minimum - if NSW want to put up 5 geographically determined zone teams, and VIC want to do the same (north, South, East, West and Central) - in order to avoid the hex of existing clubs - then I still believe that it's of benefit to the game. 2nd div = condensed player pool = higher standards = improved football in Australia = benefits to A-League and national teams.

Edited by Benjamin: 30/4/2012 09:56:29 AM

If you can't accept Belconnen United into the NSWPL then good luck luck merging NSWPL with VPL.

Its the problem with the game in this country, as there is simply not enough money. That is not likely to change for years to come.

Trying to give more power to clubs will hardly change the financial strain on the FFA either, it will just move money around. Its a no win situation.

I know some of you guys would love this happening,but i know for a fact if theres no money to be made in it Melb Knights and Sth Melb and UTD and Marconi wont be a part in it. Once bitten twice shy they say. But a rebel comp with prize money of about $300,000 that could tilt their heads.lol The problem with all these premier league clubs is they get raped and pillaged by FFA and then get a collonoscpy by their on federations aswell. in real terms it costs 4,000 per player for insurance 1,200 in registration fees and affiliation fees per player on top of that. About $80,000 for a squad of 18 before a ball is even kicked and then for winning the comp they give you $25,000. Real kick in the guts isnt it?

Edited by cro69: 21/4/2012 07:29:11 PM

Edited by cro69: 21/4/2012 07:30:14 PM

They can watch it on SBS. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I concur, if Olympic fans won't travel to Endensor Park for an away Match, how are they expected totravel to Victoria?

Good idea but you are moving way to fast.

Have a 10 team conferenced league. 5 NSWPL and 5 VPL.

each team plays every team home and away for 18 games

each team then plays each team in there division home and away for a further 8 games

gives a 26 week season plus finals with only 5 interstate trips per season.

Credit to Benjamin IRCC for this system.

Gives a defacto div 2. Allows the best players from all the state leagues to come into one league.

If that goes well Canberra Wollongong and possible Geelong can be added to the league.

Then maybe work on QLD expansion

I would go very slowly with no pro/rel to the state leagues for the first few seasons.

Olympian, you wouldn't have happened to be the creator of the 'NSWPL & VPL to be on SBS' facebook page, would you.

NSWPL and VPL merger could be cool, but no

Cant believe some of you guys bother responding.

This idea has been brought up numerous times.

The facts:

- The increase in costs (travel, accomodation etc.) would be a massive burden
- TV/Media would not be interested in paying to televise it, so wheres the additional revenue to come from? (TV = Exposure, Exposure = Sponsors, Sponsors = Cash)
- The net result is an even weaker SL structure. Hardly a benefit is it?

I love your passion for pushing a cause, but at times some ideas are just too off track to seriously consider.

No, what ever happend to competitive federalism

Just another pathetic attempt to give Sydney Olympic more national exposure. You cant play in the A-League, so now youve suggested this kind of semi-national competition with just the old NSL clubs. Keep dreaming mate. Sydney Olympic will remain a NSWPL club for a long time yet.

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The nswpl and vpl will not be affected badly as 5 teams or so will go up then teams from below will fill there spots and so on and so on, so 5 teams will now be granted division 2 spots in nsw and state league 2 spots in ffv whats bad about that?

For the players it will be a better breading ground as it will be more competitive!

Teams do not hate the game if they cannot enter if they dont have the funds, they hate the game when they have the funds and they cannot enter!

Yes increased travel fees a few times a year but a much increased gate and canteen to so its all covered!

It would benefit the game, shut up the ex nsl clubs and add another league for the governing bodies to collect more fees on so who loses?

- 12,14 or 16 team comp
- made up of a mix of nswpl and vpl teams
- no relegation in first season
- QSL teams to enter in second season
- VPL and NSWPL stays as is but is renamed as this become the premier winter comp under FFV and FNSW arms
- Clubs pay $50k to enter

Merging the two competitions and forming one combined winter league of 14 teams and the following season having one team from the QSL enter and one team relegated.

After that 3 teams get relegated and 3 get promoted after a playoff between the winners of the Victorian League, NSW league and the QSL.

This would make it very interesting and be cool. In essense your creating a new league without hurting anyone!

Your thoughts?