Arthur, I checked the list for Melbourne Knights youth about a decade ago, and there was an overwhelming over-representation of youth players of Croatian background. It might have not been EXACTLY 99%, BUT it was pretty close! Are you disputing that these clubs had a policy of developing players from within their own community, or are you just struggling to find a rational defence for it? Dickhead.

I'm bordeline racist for pointing out borderline racism in your clubs? How absurd.:lol:

What does the Knights and South Melbourne bring to the A-league that is greater than Heart?

The only thing that I could think of is there history. Other than that they offer nothing else. Currently Melbourne can only sustain two teams and at this stage the two strongest teams are Victory and Heart.

As I said were is the list and you said more than one club. Like I said show us the youth team lists.

And please watch the language I don't appreciate it. Thanks.

I don't have a list Arthur, just my memory. You will have to take my word for it.

Anđelko Cimera = has pumped a lot of his personal money into the game FACT
Šimun Samardžić
Melinda Cimera
Ivana Raspudić
Šime Pinčić
Pave Jusup
John Jurac
Rob Pevac
John Pejić = My mate Aussie born
Paul Magdić = NSL player Aussie born (not sure but Aussie Youth Inter. need to check)
Željko Gagula = NSL player Aussie born
Frank Jurić = NSL player, Aussie International, Aussie born
Mario Jurjević
Lorenz Kindtner = NSL and Youth International Aussie born
Tony Kolčeg
Mirko Rastočić = Aussie born as his his 15yo son a future GUN player.

Hope this helps, others may be able to fill in the gaps.

Cheers,

Arthur

But you said this:



You didn't say it was from your memory.

No you're borderline racist for some of your other little remarks.

Criticise my club all you want and we'll have a discussion. But at least be civil about it.

In terms of South Melbourne, Infrastructure and youth development. But this is all said and done. The FFA chose the Heart bid, we could argue all we want, but it'll accomplish nothing.

Which ones?

I guess you could say infrastructure only due to the large fees that the heart pay but I would say the play out of one of the best stadiums to play football in the country. Heart have also shown that they are good at developing youth.

Polishing youth is a better term, they do not have players between the ages of 5 and 15.

AAMI is a great stadium for both football and rugby. But I think it's way too big for Hearts fan base. For non-derby games they get around 7k, which would look at feel a hell of a lot better playing out of somewhere like Lakeside Stadium.

They are doing well for developing youth, but it's only from the ages of 16 upwards.

To paulc and rusty
What percentage of Australian or should I say non Greek people would it take for a club like South Melbourne to be BROAD BASED?
Do you check passports at the gate?
My kids have a Greek surname but I am a 1st generation Australian and their mother is a 3rd generation Australian (from Scandinavian background). Does that make my kids wogs or Australian?
What are you so afraid of?

I don't think South Melbourne should ever attempt to become broad based, it is a Greek-Australian club with Greekness at the heart of its soul. It's perfectly fine where it is, in the State league where it belongs as do all clubs with an ethnic heritage. Because of its strong ethnic roots it doesn't belong in the A league or any other domestic national competition, because for football to grow it needs to appeal to people from all backgrounds and demographics and never discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, either fans, players or at board level. I don't actually have an issue with Croat clubs hiring Croat staff, Greeks hiring Greeks, etc. No problem with it at all, despite its semi racial overtones, just don't call yourself an "Australian" club without throwing the word 'Greek' in there.


Edited by rusty: 17/4/2012 04:37:07 PM

You didn't answer my question.
At what point did the roar stop being a dutch club and become broadbased? you have no problem with them so i can't see why other clubs can't do the same.

-PB

Edited by paulbagzFC: 17/4/2012 05:05:58 PM

Northern NSW?

Broadmeadow magic - Macedonian
Hamilton Olympic - Greek.

Paulc - DICK

We would all like to see MH average bigger numbers but I think they have had sufficent growth for this year. I would prefer the heart to gain 1.5 to 2K a year and gradually build a strong core than to have huge bandwagon auidence like MV :d (I had to). Do you think that MH could potentially lose fans by changing venues?

South Melbourne

President
Leo Athanasakis
Chairman
Nick Galatas
Treasurer
Peter Parthimos
Board of Management
Dr George Triantos - Corporate Sales, Marketing & Events
Tony Margaritis - General Business / Merchandise
Tom Kalas – Youth Development
Tom Karatzas - Football / Sales
Nick Maikousis
Lucky Chrisomalidis
Administration
Peter Kokotis - General Manager
Nick Szkilnik - Office Manager
George Kouroumalis - Digital Media and Marketing Manager
Michael Dimoudis - Web Manager
Cindy Nitsos - Club Photographer
Paul Zarogiannis - Video Production (SMFC TV)
David Henning - SMFC TV & SouthRadio host
John Kyrou - SMFC TV, SouthRadio host, Club Historian
Tim Dovas - SMFC TV Filming

Brisbane Roar

Football Department
Head Coach - Ange Postecoglou
Assistant Coach - Rado Vidosic
Football Conditioning Coach - Ken Stead
Goalkeeper Coach - Fernando vaz Alves
Youth Team Coach - John Sime
Team Manager - Ian Dalzell

Administration
Interim CEO - Michael Bowers
General Manager, Football - Paul Trimboli
Financial Controller - Sean Dobson
Commercial Manager - Steve Guise
Commercial Sales Manager - Ben Mannion
Marketing Manager - Kurt Brutton
Media & Communications Manager - Daniel Lato
Events Manager - Bruce Stalder

You still have'nt answered my question. All you have done is cut and paste a list of names.
Most of the names listed are AUSTRALIAN.

Come down to a game and i'll try to introduce you to most of them and if you are lucky they might have their passport on them.

Why do you think being 'Australian' is relevant? I'd certainly hope that no one is discriminating against people who are not born here. You're deflecting to an unrelated point.

The relevance of having Australians all of the same background is the failure of clubs to engage the *remainder* of the local community. What do you think that means for the game?

What's "Australian" in this context?

It's not even a relevant point. What is relevant is that we have high profile clubs who have only engaged a small percentage of the population.

Melbourne Heart?

Not that high profile.

In an attempt to be a smartarse you actually highlighted a good example. After MV monopolised the football support in the state there was very small window of support left, yet the heart *still* managed to get more supporters to the game and *already* have got a high average than south melbourne did which really grates at you.

This occurred because they had a broad approach which aimed to include as many people. This is the approach the state league clubs need to adopt and ask themselves what actions they are implementing to appeal outside of their mono-ethnic support base to get the *whole* local community behind them.

Yes that is the former Melb Knights/perth glory aussie international and yes same lauranz kidtner, the mirko rastocic is the young up comers grandfather and ball stewerd for the last 22 yrs all are aussie born except Ange Cimerra and Mirko Rastocic. Magdic club coach,lauranz his assistant,Gagula youth coach and Jurevic under 18s coach.

Rusty and Paulc you 2 are the biggest racists and biggots on here!!! i dont know what clubs you guys support but im sure they have ethnics in the board and in the supporter base too! so guys stop the ethnic bashing its not welcomed by any forum members on here.=;

Edited by cro69: 17/4/2012 08:10:51 PM

Anyone with a Greek background :lol:

Wasn't an attempt... It was a very successful bit of smartarsing.

Doesn't grate at me at all that a team playing in the A-League, with live Fox coverage, newspaper (however limited) exposure and no competition from AFL, etc., have a better average crowd than a team playing in a state league, with no live coverage worth talking about and virtually zero press exposure. Nor does it bother me that Heart get better crowds now than South got back in the NSL days. The lack of media back then can't be underestimated.

Still curious about this notion of yours that a local league side with no ethnic association would pull crowds - because it doesn't happen for non-ethnic clubs in any state league in Australia.