This. It's better for the game, end of.
People just get so emotional as soon as religion is involved, especially Islam.

Mod please close thread

This should be in da state league threadz where all da efniks are ulleh

So? There are quite a few shopping centres that do provide prayer rooms. Perhaps the stadiums should do they same if they have the room available.

I don't think it needs to be mandated or legislated, but let's not deny it just because people are afraid of what's different.



Racism doesn't have anything to do with religion. As GA pointed out, this is xenophobia or sectarianism depending on where it's coming from.



:lol:



Neanderthal is building a habit of hitting the nail directly on the head lately.



I don't understand what your point is here. Are you saying that just because nations that base their laws on Shariah (not all of these nations listed do, btw), we as a secular nation have the right to discriminate against muslims and that they should be grateful for the occasional bone that we do throw them?

The Muslim way of prayer requires space to lay out a prayer mat and the prayer is made bowed face down facing the Qibla direction (Mecca). Before praying they have to do ablutions and ritual washing although I think the latter can be done "dry". This is all best in a private setting in a public place. The prayer mats are normally stored near the door of the room and the room is fully enclosed to ensure there are no distractions. This is a potted summary of what is a very detailed ritual. I am not Muslim but these are the recollections of the process from studying it in preparation for designing a fully fledged prayer room.

Hahaha, some of the people saying things like, "Its idiotic" and "Oh my, so politically correct" and "What the hell, this is stupid". You all make me laugh.

Ive been for many game, cricket, football, rugby etc etc and often find that i have to read one of my 5 time prayers during the event, so as such, id get up and go with my mates, if i was with them, and ask one of the staff for a place to read.

Theyd tell us to find a quiet area in the stadium, which we would try and do to the best of our ability, and try and find a corner and put a jersey or jumper down and pray on that. Now its not ideal, as people walk past and they can see you and its quite noisy and such.


Having a prayer room would be fantastic, whilst we not fussy on the issue, its a solution worth considering. Many of the people who attend games are of other religions and i know quite a few people who have not come for games or have left a game at a certain time so they can go pray or have time to find a suitable place to pray. Its not the ideal situation, but we often have to try and make do.

We not asking for specific prayer room for our religion, but just a small room where anyone, who has prayers can go pray. They have it in all the airports nowadays and its not something that is difficult to do.

You may not like religion or be for it, but at the end of the day, their are people out there who are religious, but they also love their sport.

You may not like it, but a lot of the money nowadays comes from Etihad, Emirates, Qtel and etc etc and they are Muslim run organisations and as such, may look to cater to a religious audience.

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Always been a fan of your work too Organic ;)

lukerobinho what do you see as this countries identity?

do you believe australia's identity is an all Caucasian/christian/dinky dye aussie society where we all wear flip flops and were singlets + drink bear everyday when we come home from work?

If the goal is to remove barriers to attendance to increase crowds, what happens if other fans (say mums and dads with young kids) stay away because of they find it too confronting seeing possibly several hundred men making their way in and out of these prayer rooms?

How big should these rooms be?

What happens if other denominations want their prayer rooms, but different for those used by muslims?

I think this is a very sensitive issue for a lot of people. Its well and good to point the finger and call people xenophobic etc, but lets face it people go to watch the football. Is it football's role to change people attitudes?

Keep religion out of sport.

Everyone should be treated the same: no-one gets a room.

I would say that these mums and dads with young kids need to have a look at their own attitudes and awareness and not rely on Andrew Bolt to make up their minds for them.

So by that rationale, we should be removing all parents’ rooms from sporting facilities too? Too bad if you have to change your babies nappy, you chose to have the child, you have to deal with that and we don’t want you at the football.

We should probably also get rid of disabled toilets too.

Edited by hutchonholiday: 20/4/2012 02:36:13 PM

Gyfox was pretty correct in his summary, however its not as strict as it seems. It would be sooooo much easier if we had a prayer room, but up until now, we have been making do with what we have. We will try and find the corner most spot or the queitest spot or go outside the stadium to find an area. Thing is its not ideal, but hopefully if we get this, would make it soo much easier.

why would parents feel confronted by seeing a bunch of people coming in and out of a room?

Is there an active area at each end of the room fro the noisy ones?

Evolution having its way... might soon qualify for Cromagnon.

Oh man, now I'm Erectus.

They don't operate under Shariah Law, but they're based on it, all of them. And no that's not what I said nor was trying to imply that at all. Neanderthal was denying the levels of intolerance in Islamic nations and was blaming it on a minority of totalitarian governments which simply isn't true.

Edited by Axelv: 20/4/2012 02:40:22 PM

This is as bad as kapow's wish for all clubs of ethnic origins to be culled because ethnics make non agglos uncomfortable and less liable to want to play football. You feel uncomfortable around people of other religions or cultures? Then, like any others that may also, it their problem and get over it.

Confronting? At a football match where everyone is having pumpkin scones and tea while they chat about the weather, you mean?


As big as those that approve them wish them to be.



The world will end



Where has that been mentioned?



And government and public schools and my life and.................

Setting aside a room in a stadium is not putting religion in sport. Enough of the hysterics.




Best tell that to the afl and government owned stadiums. And supporter groups whom cry like babies if they can't have an exclusive area to themselves and exactly where they want it.

Edited by skeptic: 20/4/2012 02:42:04 PM

Great way for you to make an informed comment on the issue then...

For busy games should we use ticketek ? Walk-ups may find themselves queueing to get a go .

I am legitimately afraid for some of you, considering the type of uneducated remarks you are making.

Firstly, its simply a spare room which will be made available for all demonations. Just like you have in hospitals, it's a quiet place people can do things like, pray (whether that be by reading the Bible or physical prayer which is the Muslim practice), meditate etc

Secondly, for all you know it could be happening right now and you'd have no idea. It's not going to affect you, it's not going to make you feel uncomfortable so just shut the fuck up.

And you know what, if providing things like kosher or halal meals to supplement the current food at grounds happens, who cares? Again our sport is not in a position to turn people away.

But god forbid we try and accomodate peoples different cultures and traditions. Little Italy, Chinatown, Little India fuck all them off. Like why do they have there own streets of food? They come here they should drink beer and eat meat pies like the rest of us true blue Aussies yeh????

Fucking idiots.#-o

There are plenty of people who are pro multiculturalism but are not pro Islam. They can't be xenophobic when they are clearly accepting of other cultures or 'outsiders'(meaning of the word xeno).

You should be able to have a constructive mature debate without resorting to the racism, xenophobia, sectarianism cards.

Edited by Axelv: 20/4/2012 02:47:30 PM

Heck, call it Islamophobia if you really like.

I'm not pro Islam in the slightest and will take most opportunities to criticise it, that doesn't mean that there should be barriers to Muslims being shown respect to practice their beliefs if they do not impact on the lives of others - which a room in a stadium will not.

Edited by notorganic: 20/4/2012 02:50:05 PM

I still don't see your problem with this. How does this affect you personally? Were you going to use these rooms to tattoo the southern cross on your back? Use it for clan meetings?

How does an empty room being used for something that doesn't affect you matter?

Edited by hutchonholiday: 20/4/2012 02:51:41 PM

@ zimbos_05

Appreciate your willingness to explain why a prayer room is needed.

I never realised fans have already been going to quiet spaces to pray during sporting events. I've been watching live sport at major stadia for the past 30 years in Australia and was totally unaware this was happening.

What do Muslim players do when the prayer time occurs during a game? Or are all matches in Muslim countries scheduled around the prayer times?

How does having a spare room for prayers affecting people? It doesn't. It shows how willingly some people accept others religions.

:lol: Whoever named them better have won the Nobel prize that year.

Also, Please =; Cro Magnon are the inferior cousins, that would be a step sideways and backwards.

Are prayer mats allowed through the turnstiles ? How much can we hire them out for ?

Have it your way but cromagnons are the ones that survived.

If people enjoy a long read, one thing I found fascinating was this article.

It is about Islam integrating into Western culture and asks questions from an Australian perspective, wondering if the only difference between Australia and Europe is that we are 20 years behind. Europe has always been far more liberal and progressive than Australia has, so why are European nations cutting down on Islamic immigration?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/how-i-lost-faith-in-multiculturalism/story-fn59niix-1226031793805

Wow.

A right winged commentator for The Australian has negative things to say about Islam & Multiculturalism.

I'm shocked. This is groundbreaking.