Clearly a hot topic that can overflow with emotion, sorry guys but this ones done

People may not be aware that this is part of a wider move by the AFL to better cater for patrons, including the provision of creches, kids' play areas and even the provision of blankets for older fans if it gets cold.

This was on the front page of one of the Melbourne papers recently

to my way of thinking, the provision of prayer rooms is just an extension of providing better amenities to your fan base, or potential fan base, you want to discourage patrons, not discourage them

We could use the same room, the muslim room doesnt have to special or anything. just some carpet with a cupboard that has mats.

Hell have time, just like Adnan. If worse comes to worse, Islam is accomodating. Ive explained it in my previous post how they have time, but if they dont, then after they perform the later 6:40 prayer, they perform a catchup prayer for the 5:26 one. The catchup is something that is not encouraged but is allowed if you are unable to perform your prayer at that time for a valid reason, such as work, sickness or war or something like that.

Considering no A-League club owns a stadium ,it's an issue for governments.But if Muslims get a prayer room ,I want one too so I can worship my sun god thankyou.

these times change throughout the year, so they are not always the same



Muslim players still pray, but then it also depends on how relgious they are. Now look at the times above, they are the prayer times. So if you playing a football match at 4pm brisbane time, your game will most likely finish at 6ish. Seeing as the last prayer is scheduled for 6:40, you have 30 minutes left to fulfill the prayer that is at 5:26. So straight after the game, you run off into the change rooms and do your prayer.

I know for Hashim Amla for example, he has time in between innings to do his prayers, or he would call on a sub if he was fielding and if he is batting, would retire hurt or use the drinks break as the chance to fulfill his prayers. A lot of it comes down to how religious the player is too.

I like this tweet from Dale Steyn.



It shows that Hashim Amla will do his prayers in the change room too. We not asking for a Muslim specific prayer room, it could be any room. There are rooms that go unused in stadiums and even if it has to be a newly built one, it dsnt have to be sooo big.

To those saying dont mix religion and sport, well weve been praying at games for years and you havnt noticed, we asking for a small room in a massive stadium that would not affect your lives in anyway. If anything it would mean more people could attend games and fulfill their religious duty, which means bigger crowds.

Also, its got nothing to do with Shariah Law, dont bring it in to this.

Edited by zimbos_05: 20/4/2012 03:53:39 PM

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh really? How so, Mr TRUEANGLO JOIN DATE 20/04/2012 ????????

I'm pretty sure Bersat Berisha is a Muslim.

Wonder what he'll do on Sunday - looks like the HAL Grand Final overlaps with Prayer Time?

Not that I am aware, I am used to being able to use [list][/list] on other sites etc.

Does the [code] function work here?

This is what frustrates me, people aren't allowed to have differing views and this cannot be debated maturely, anyone who questions Islam gets labeled as bigoted, racist, xenophobic, uneducated etc whatever you want, it's all stigmatized name calling, name calling just like children resort to when they can't win an argument.

Dont need to post those here mate

City ----------- Fajr - Sunrise - Dhuhr - Asr - Maghrib - Isha
Adelaide --- 5:20 -- 6:43 ----- 12:15 - 3:21 - 5:46 --- 7:05
Brisbane --- 4:50 -- 6:07 ----- 11:47 - 3:01 - 5:26 --- 6:40
Canberra --- 5:07 -- 6:31 ----- 12:03 - 3:08 - 5:33 --- 6:53
Geelong ---- 5:27 -- 6:54 ----- 12:22 - 3:23 - 5:49 --- 7:12
Hobart -------- 5:15 -- 6:48 ----- 12:10 - 3:03 - 5:30 --- 6:59
Melbourne -- 5:25 -- 6:51 ----- 12:20 - 3:21 - 5:47 --- 7:09
Newcastle -- 4:57 -- 6:18 ----- 11:52 - 3:01 - 5:26 --- 6:43
Perth ---------- 5:20 -- 6:40 ----- 12:16 - 3:25 - 5:50 --- 7:07
Sydney ------- 4:59 -- 6:21 ----- 11:55 - 3:02 - 5:27 --- 6:45
Wollongong - 5:00 -- 6:23 ----- 11:56 - 3:02 - 5:27 --- 6:47

edit as the formating on this site bites.

Edited by general ashnak: 20/4/2012 03:48:47 PM

I'm not against "prayer rooms" or "breast-feeding rooms" or "smoking rooms" ...

I just don't see the need for a Prayer Room at a sports stadium.

I think you'll find a significant number of sportspeople pray before games.

In football, you'll find a signficant number of people making the "sign of the cross" when they enter & leave the pitch.

Drogba & Messi make the sign of the cross as a symbol of thanks for scoring a goal. Solorzano (MVFC) & Hernandez (MUFC) take it to the next level and get down on their knees to pray at the start of the game or start of 2nd half.

Tim Tebow is very vocal in his Christian faith after NFL matches.

Some views are perfectly warranted

Haha oh dude, agreed x eleventy billion.

Davide82, skeptic and a few others are spot on. Having prayer rooms in Australian stadiums is not an issue. What [size=7]IS[/size] an issue is that some of you hold such uneducated and misinformed beliefs. Just.... wow.

Some of you need to give yourselves an uppercut.



The AFL has an enviable 'cradle to the grave' mentality which the whole family unit get off on, including the wimmenz. The big studs in little uniforms jumping around alot may also have something to do with it. Don't deny it!

Edited by eskimo: 20/4/2012 03:43:51 PM

Wow this thread really took off now, didn't it?

it's a question of inclusiveness, that's what this discussion is all about
and I'm dismayed that those who would ordinarily consider themselves as cosmopolitan and worldly are precisely the ones making the most noise about being against the prayer rooms, which at the end of the day are nothing more than quiet, empty rooms.

Is it really necessary?

How many Muslims attend football matches?

he also quotes two British PM, Germany's Chancellor, and France's President. All no good?

He is a devout muslim, and I know he prays in the change rooms before games, it wouldn't surprise me if he asked the coaching staff to take him off at certain times to pray - they could do it given the interchange rule.

I'm not that interested to waste my time researching religions that have ZERO interest for me.

If a Muslim wants to answer the question fine - if they don't, that's fine too.

For those who don't really know anything about Islam, this is a documentary I saw a while back and I found it really interesting.

Dave Zwolenski goes to Sydney and lives with Sheik Halily in Lakemba for a few days, giving an inside perspective and trying to understand Islam in Australia.


http://www.smh.com.au/tv/show/embedded/embedded-with-sheik-hilaly-20110715-1hhgn.html

You clearly have access to the internet, look it up.

Or are you just trolling?

A far greater percentage of women attend ballet than football matches ... so what's your point?

Women play football in greater numbers than any other code and women prefer their kids to play football above any other code.

I think football is pretty comfortable with the level of respect & love we get from women.

Yep, I was aware of this. All trying to be the next Rebecca Judd, nee Twigley.

More AFL footy players earning decent money in Australia than there are footballers, so have more of a chance.

Or it could be there are 9 games a week in the AFL and they have larger attendances etc etc

What does Bachar Houli do when prayer time occurs during an AFL match in which he is playing? Does he ask to be taken off the ground to do fulfill his duties?

I know nothing about Muslim prayer times - does Muslim prayer time ever occur between 2:20 p.m. & 5:20 p.m. on the last Saturday in September?

I'm really keen to understand how our brothers in Islam, who play professional sport, handle prayer times when they coincide with official matches.

Also, I wonder if people are aware that a far greater percentage of women attend AFL games than attend any other football code.

Well, it's an AFL initiative, and it's soccer fans on this forum who are sounding like they are ringing in to Alan Jones.

It was Richmond footballer, Bachar Houli, who suggested the idea to the AFL.