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Davide82 wrote:
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What is my motive?


I didn't say you had one by the way
I merely stated that it would be good if you did, as it would make you look less of a fool

Given your often stated feelings surrounding other matters that were raised in the article you'll forgive me for being skeptical.....

Take it as a compliment coz it shows I don't think you're an idiot, rather just being mischievous ;)




I would say on this website it's about 65% me & 35% a character. I am here for fun as you pointed out.


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Aha I did laugh at that picture remembering the film
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Davide82 wrote:
Aha I did laugh at that picture remembering the film

Yeah.

And for the record, those kids aren't refugees. They are "unaccompanied minors" from Morocco.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3415477/Swedish-police-warn-Stockholm-s-main-police-station-overrun-migrant-teen-gangs-stealing-groping-girls.htm

In case anyone gets the wrong idea.
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"Here for fun".

Shitstain on the forum. You become more like Ricey everyday.

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Frenchman planning attacks had 125 kilograms of explosives

Those dang Muslims at it again, Europe is crumbling as we speak!!

Oh wait

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Draupnir wrote:
"Here for fun".

Shitstain on the forum. You become more like Ricey everyday.

Edited by Draupnir: 7/6/2016 06:41:28 PM

You complain more than contribute.
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In Social Darwinism today...

Shooting at gay nightclub in orlando

:-k

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Condemned666 wrote:
In Social Darwinism today...

Shooting at gay nightclub in orlando

:-k

How the fuck is this social Darwinism?

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20 dead, 42 wounded :(
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Aljay wrote:


20 dead, 42 wounded :(
Orlando Mayor has just said 50 dead 53 in hospital. :shock:

How can 1 person do so much damage? :cry:
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Aljay wrote:


20 dead, 42 wounded :(


Make that 50 dead now. Makes it the deadliest mass shooting in US history
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EDIT: It looks like a debate but its the live stream of the proceeding press conferences

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Worst shooting in U.S. history

R.I.P.
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No doubt that this is a hate crime on the LGTB community.

RIP.
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Media said the gunman used a hand gun and semi automatic, shooter was U.S. born, parents were from Afghanistan.

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Media said the gunman used a hand gun and semi automatic, shooter was U.S. born, parents were from Afghanistan.

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Dad of Orlando shooter: 'I don't know why he did it'
Natalie DiBlasio, USA TODAY 12:30 p.m. EDT June 12, 2016
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"I don't know why he did it. He is dead, so I can't ask him. I wish I knew."

Just hours after federal officials say his son, Omar Mateen, went on the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history, Mir Seddique was at a loss to explain what happened in an interview with NBC News. Fifty people were killed and 53 were injured at Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, authorities say.

"I apologize for what my son did ... We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident. We weren't aware of any action he is taking. We are in shock like the whole country," Seddique told NBC News.


USA TODAY
Officials: Orlando suspect a U.S. citizen; probe underway for terror ties

NBC News reported that the attacker’s father indicated that Mateen recently expressed anti-gay sentiments when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago, but the official who is not authorized to comment publicly said investigators were still reviewing a wide range of possible motivations.

Seddique told NBC News "this has nothing to do with religion."

Investigators are interviewing members of Mateen’s family in an attempt to learn what may have prompted the assault, a federal law enforcement official said.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-dad/85789320/
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Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS before Florida massacre
By Jamie Schram and Tina Moore June 12, 2016 | 9:49am | Updated
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The shooter who killed at least 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando has been identified as Omar Mateen, law enforcement sources told The Post.

Mateen was a U.S. citizen with no apparent criminal history, was born to Afghan parents in New York in 1986 and was living in Port St. Lucie, Fla., sources said.

Omar Mateen had committed himself to ISIS before carrying out the bloodiest mass murder in US history at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, federal officials said.

Mateen “made a pledge of allegiance to ISIS,” California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told CNN.

Meanwhile, US Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) cited intelligence sources to say that there “appears to be a link to Islamic radicalism .. some kind of connection to ISIS,” ABC News reported.

Mateen was a U.S. citizen with no apparent criminal history, was born to Afghan parents in New York in 1986 and was living in Port St. Lucie, Fla., according to multiple media reports.

“At this point, this is an incident, as I can see it, we can certainly classify as a domestic terror incident,” Jerry Demings of the Orange County Sheriff’s Office said.

The shooting — one of the worst mass shootings in US history — left at least 50 people dead, including the gunman, and more than 53 wounded, officials said.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/suspected-gunman-in-florida-gay-club-mass-shooting-idd/

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Gunman suspected of killing 50 people at gay nightclub in Orlando has 'some connection to ISIS' Natasha Bertrand
Politics Military & Defense 55 MIN 0

Family members wait for word from police after arriving down the street from a shooting involving multiple fatalities at Pulse Orlando nightclub in Orlando.
The gunman suspected of killing 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando and wounding dozens more has "some connection to ISIS," Florida Senator Bill Nelson said on Sunday in a press conference.
The gunman has been identified by relatives and law-enforcement sources as 29-year-old Omar Saddiqui Mateen from Fort Pierce, Florida. He was on an FBI list of suspected ISIS sympathizers, CNN's Jake Tapper reported.
Police are in the process of notifying the shooter's next-of-kin, so have not officially confirmed his name.
Law enforcement confirmed that the incident is being treated as an act of terrorism. The FBI special agent in charge said there were indications that Mateen subscribed to a radical Islamic ideology, and Rep. Adam Schiff - a top Democrat on the House Intelligence committee - said that Mateen had pledged allegiance to ISIS.
"This is clearly an act of terror," Florida governor Rick Scott said in a press conference on Sunday.
Mateen's connection to ISIS does not necessarily mean he was in direct contact with the radical jihadists, or thatthe group directed him to carry out the attack. Nelson, the Florida senator, noted that the apparent connection to ISIS was not "official," and US officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told Reuters they had yet to uncover direct contacts between the gunman and any extremist group.
"There is a big difference between ISIS-directed and ISIS-inspired," national security analyst Juliette Kayyem said on CNN.
The Islamic State said in a recent message to followers that they should mount attacks during this month, which is the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
The overnight shooting at Pulse nightclub - a gay club in central Orlando - is the deadliest shooting in US history, with more fatalities than either the mass shooting at Virginia Tech in 2007 (32 dead) and the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut in 2012 (27 dead.)
Mateen, a US citizen, was born in New York in 1986 to parents from Afghanistan, multiple media outlets have reported. An FBI representative said he "was organized and well-prepared."
Mateen worked as a security guard in Fort Pierce and rented a car to drive to Orlando and carry out the attack, CNN's Evan Perez reported, and was "on the radar" of law enforcement officials for some time.
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A photo from Mateen's MySpace page
He was looked into by federal authorities once in 2013 and again in 2014, and the FBI investigated him briefly before closing the case, a senior law enforcement source told The Daily Beast. His ex-wife told the Washington Post that he beat her and "was not a stable person."
"He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn't finished or something like that," she said.
Photos from Mateen's MySpace page show him wearing NYPD gear. Mateen had no association with the department, the NYPD told TMZ, and the shirts were unofficial garments.
Mir Seddique, Mateen's father, told NBC News that his son's actions had "nothing to do with religion." He noted that his son got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago and thinks that may be related to the shooting.
"We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident. We weren't aware of any action he is taking. We are in shock like the whole country," Seddique said.
The leader of Orlando's Islamic faith community, Muhammad Musri, urged people not to rush to judgment or "sensationalize" the shooting.
"I call on my fellow faith leaders...please pray for the victims and their families at this hour," he said during a press conference. "I want to caution anyone from rushing to judgment or sensationalizing the story, because we do not want the focus of the story to shift from what it is: a horrible tragedy. We are mourning, we are heartbroken."
Mateen entered Pulse shortly before 2 a.m. after exhanging fire with an off-duty police officer working security at the club, police said in a press conference. He was armed with an AR-15 assault rifle and a handgun, according to law-enforcement officials' description of the incident. TMZ has reported that Mateen had a state firearms license.
Mateen barricaded himself inside the nightclub and took hostages just after 2 a.m. and was negotiating with police when he gave them his name, according to CNN. A SWAT team entered the club about three hours later, after ensuring Mateen did not have a bomb, and shot the suspect.
At least 53 people were wounded and have been transported to local hospitals. About 320 people were inside the nightclub at the time of the shooting, according to Orlando police. A state of emergency has been declared.
"Everyone get out of pulse and keep running," the nightclub said onits Facebook pageat 2:09 a.m.
Pulse markets itself as "Orlando's premier gay nightclub." It was Latin night at the club, according to its Facebook page.

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/omar-mateen-orlando-nightclub-shooting-pulse-2016-6

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US OFFICIALS: NO EVIDENCE OF DIRECT ISIS LINK TO ORLANDO SHOOTING
Sunday, 12 June 2016 22:04 Posted by Shoaib-ur-Rehman Siddiqui E-mail Print PDF Views: 1
imageWASHINGTON: US officials said on Sunday that they had no immediate evidence of any direct connection between the worst mass shooting in US history and Islamic State or any other foreign extremist group.

The officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, also said they had yet to uncover any contacts between the suspected gunman and any extremist group.

http://www.brecorder.com/world/north-america/302217-us-officials-no-evidence-of-direct-isis-link-to-orlando-shooting.html

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No doubt that this is a hate crime on the LGTB community.

RIP.


Yes it certainly does seem that way with what the reports are saying

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Soon after a gunman opened fire at a popular gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, killing at least 50 people and injuring at least 53, he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS, a federal law enforcement official tells PEOPLE.

The gunman, reportedly identified as Omar Saddiqui Mateen, first called 911 about 2:30 a.m. local time, approximately 30 minutes after opening fire at Orlando's Pulse, the official says. On that call, he announced he was shooting up the club and claimed he was armed with explosives – a claim which authorities have not confirmed and which they are "still exploring," the official says.

"The 911 operator, using reverse-call technology, called back the gunman and it was then that he pledged allegiance to [ISIS leader] Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi" the federal official tells PEOPLE. The gunman "also mentioned the Tsarnaev brothers," who orchestrated the Boston Marathon bombings of 2013, the official says.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,21012340,00.html
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by New Zimbabwe

After Mugabe’s gone: Three paths for Zim

ZIMBABWE is struggling again with an economic crisis. Although an oil importer, the country has been hurt by falling gold and platinum prices. After three years of double-digit economic growth in 2010-2012, following the abandonment of the Zimbabwean dollar in favour of foreign currencies, the country’s economy and finances are deteriorating fast, battered by China’s economic slowdown and a strong U.S. dollar.



However, the roots of Zimbabwe’s current troubles go deeper. Agriculture, once the backbone of the country’s economy and its main export earner, slumped following the violent land grabs of President Robert Mugabe’s land reform which forcibly redistributed 7 million hectares. While commercial agriculture has slowly recovered in recent years, adverse weather conditions in 2015-2016 have compromised crop supplies and left more than 2.4 million Zimbabweans in need of food aid.

For the past two decades, the country also underwent deindustrialisation, caused by policy errors, deteriorating infrastructure (especially power shortages), low foreign investment and restricted access to international funding. The crucial mining industry has been hamstrung by high royalty rates, corruption and uncertainty created by the controversial indigenisation law, compromising development of the country’s vast mineral resources.

After two decades of producing less and spending more, the country’s foreign debt is rising, its annual foreign trade deficit has reached $3.3 billion and domestic borrowing costs are twice the regional average. The financial crunch is aggravated by the enormous weight of Zimbabwe’s informal economy: according to data from the International Crisis Group, only 700,000 are officially employed in a population of 13 million. Tight liquidity and plummeting business and consumer confidence is ravaging the domestic banking system, which has stopped making payments in U.S. dollars.




Reversing course

When Mugabe formulated his Look East policy back in 2005, Eurasia – and particularly China – was seen as the substitute for Western investors and “Western-dominated” financial institutions. More than a decade later, despite Beijing’s investments in mining and infrastructure and Moscow’s public esteem for the Mugabe regime, this strategy has not yielded significant benefits for Zimbabwe’s economy or materially improved the lives of ordinary people.



With the country again in dire straits, Finance Minister Patrick Chinamasa has committed to reengage with Western donors and has completed a 15-month reform program monitored by the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The government is seemingly doing its best to comply with the IMF’s requirements, including formulating a strategy to clear $1.8 billion in arrears to international donors, as a precondition to accessing financial support as agreed at the 2015 annual IMF-World Bank meeting in Lima, Peru.

However, Chinamasa faces an uphill battle to get back into the multilaterals’ good graces. Firstly, the IMF has already warned Zimbabwe that besides clearing its arrears, it will have to implement significant reforms. This includes slashing the country’s unsustainable public wage bill, which consumes more than 75 percent of Treasury revenue and has long been growing faster than the economy.

It also means clarifying its controversial indigenisation policy, which has scared off foreign investors and led to major capital flight in agriculture, mining and banking. The IMF is also keeping close tabs on government expenditure and borrowing, particularly after recent revelations that Mozambique had failed to disclosed more than $1 billion in government debt.

Secondly, full reengagement will take much more than economic restructuring – it will require political reform. Restoring relations with Washington will be crucial, because the United States still has veto power over important decisions taken by the IMF executive board.

The U.S.’s tough position on Zimbabwe – including the restrictive provisions imposed by the Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act (ZDERA) – is not expected to change soon, and especially not during an American election year. So long as President Mugabe remains in power, Harare will not get any love from Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. Clinton was, in fact, the co-author of ZDERA back in 2001.

Mixed signals

The most blatant obstacle to economic reform is political uncertainty, which can be expected to continue as long as the 92-year Mugabe is around. Indeed, the hidden power struggle around the aging president has exposed reformers to attack from Mugabe loyalists.

Chinamasa, for example, while enjoying backing from Vice President Emmerson Mnangagwa (seen by many as President Mugabe’s successor), has been heavily criticized by hardliners from the ruling Zanu PF party. They accuse the finance minister of representing foreign interests, since he defends a lower public wage bill and revising the indigenisation law, including paying compensation to evicted white farmers.

The 2008 Indigenisation and Economic Empowerment Act has been a rallying cry of Zanu PF rule. According to the law, at least 51 percent of foreign companies with assets of more than $500,000 must be owned by black Zimbabweans. This constitutes a major challenge for foreign companies operating in the country, particularly those in the capital-intensive mining and banking sectors.

Representing Zanu PF’s hardliners, Youth Development, Indigenisation and Empowerment Minister Patrick Zhuwao – who is also a nephew of Mugabe – recently threatened to annul the business licenses of all non-complying firms, allegedly after companies refused to pay a 10 percent empowerment levy.

The good news for foreign businesses still operating in Zimbabwe is that Minister Zhuwao’s bluster did not please influential domestic interest groups, including the Zimbabwe Congress of Trade Unions and the Zimbabwe National Liberation War Veterans Association.

Zhuwao was heavily criticised by Finance Minister Chinamasa and Vice President Mnangagwa, before President Mugabe himself stepped in to disavow the threat. The incident is telling because it reveals a basic rift within the ruling party, which corresponds to two alternative succession paths.

Political scenarios

While still a taboo within Zanu PF, the question of who succeeds Mugabe is the consuming question for Zimbabwe’s future. Despite his enormous power as a national symbol, especially in maintaining cohesion within the ruling party, it has become evident that the president is gradually losing his grip. Images of the increasingly frail Mugabe stumbling or nodding off at official events have become painfully frequent.

By his own declarations and an official party endorsement of his candidacy for reelection in 2018 (when he will be 94), the president fully intends to stay in office “until God says come.” Although his control over executive decisions is lapsing, Mugabe still has a final word on major decisions, including the indigenisation law. This means that no significant economic reforms can be expected in the short to medium term, forcing investors and international creditors – just like President Mugabe’s would-be successors – to adopt a wait-and-see strategy.

Vice President Mnangagwa, Finance Minister Chinamasa and other reformers will keep trying to stave off economic collapse, with limited room for maneuver. At the same time, internal divisions within Zanu PF will continue to deepen as they have since Vice President Joice Mujuru, long considered a likely successor to Mugabe, was expelled from the party in 2015. The power struggle is now focused between the Generation 40 (G40) faction led by Mugabe’s wife Grace and Mnangagwa’s “team Lacoste.”

It is possible to imagine three main trajectories for a post-Mugabe Zimbabwe: 1) a limited political opening and gradual economic reform; 2) political continuity accompanied by economic collapse; and 3) accelerated political change.

Mnangagwa and reform

Allies of Emmerson Mnangagwa, tapped by many inside and outside the ruling party as the heir apparent, have been cautiously suggesting that Mugabe could resign, saying the president “should be allowed to rest.”

Mnangagwa, as a key ally of Finance Minister Chinamasa in his efforts to clear debt arrears and regain the confidence of foreign investors and donors, is well aware that President Mugabe and his entourage are a major obstacle to painful but necessary economic reforms, and are likely to become even more so as the 2018 elections draw near.

In the succession struggle, Mnangagwa has significant advantages. As a liberation war hero and former head of the country’s Ministry of State Security, Ministry of Defence and Central Intelligence Organisation, he is the favourite among the army, the security forces and powerful veterans’ organisations. His political credentials, both within Zanu PF and as a former minister of justice and parliamentary speaker, are also strong. Since 2014, Mnangagwa has captured Zanu PF’s reformist wing with his performance as vice president and his reputation for pragmatism and political realism.

Both his international connections and his links with the security forces make Mnangagwa the best bet for an orderly transition. He would have to tread carefully between the need for an economic and political opening to appease the international community and the domestic opposition, while at the same time retaining the allegiance of Zanu PF insiders.

Even if he succeeds in this balancing act, Zimbabwe’s medium-term economic outlook is challenging. But if Mnangagwa can get sanctions lifted and restore access to international funding, he could begin to unleash the country’s potential. Zimbabwe has extremely favourable demographics, one of Africa’s highest literacy rates (83.6 percent according to United Nations data), highly fertile farmland and the world’s second largest reserves of platinum and chrome.

G40 and meltdown

A less likely, but still possible scenario is a protracted power struggle within the ruling party, ending with the victory of Grace Mugabe’s G40. While not popular among the security forces, this group has won over the party’s younger generation.

The G40 chafes at Mnangagwa’s ascension and favours a more radical interpretation and application of the indigenisation law. Ideologically, the faction is closer to President Mugabe. One of its leading figures is first lady Grace Mugabe, who recently earned a seat on the Zanu PF’s politburo as leader of the party women’s league. Other faction leaders include Zhuwao, Zanu PF political commissar Saviour Kasukuwere and Higher Education Minister Jonathan Moyo.

Grace Mugabe was responsible for engineering Joice Mujuru’s expulsion from Zanu PF. Although most people in Zimbabwe, including her colleagues in the G40, do not believe that she could win a general election, the rise of the first lady could be seen as a useful strategy to preserve interest groups and patronage networks.

Recently, the G40 suffered a reverse when President Mugabe censured the overzealous Minister Zhuwao. Nevertheless, the faction remains powerful within the Zanu PF party apparatus, as shown when it succeeded in getting one of Mnangagwa’s key allies – Christopher Mutsvangwa – fired from his post as minister of war veterans.

The G40’s key weakness is the lack of support among the security forces – which may act as arbiters in the succession process – and the declining popularity of the ruling party. Contributing to the latter trend have been corruption scandals and high living among the Harare elite, including Grace Mugabe. This makes the G40 less likely to produce a successor to the president. Were this to happen, however, Zimbabwe’s reengagement with the West would be compromised and indigenisation strengthened, triggering more capital flight.

Turbulent transition

Under a third scenario, the ruling party would simply implode after Mugabe leaves the scene. While it might still nominally control state institutions, the party’s popularity and power would crumble, especially in urban areas, amid a violent internal struggle and economic collapse.

The chief obstacle to this scenario is that with the next general elections just two years away, the opposition seems incapable of mounting a serious challenge to Zanu PF.

The Movement for Democratic Change (MDC-T) under Morgan Tsvangirai managed to lead thousands of demonstrators on the streets of Harare in April 2016 – the first major anti-government protest in nearly a decade. Still, the party has been weakened by internal divisions, a lack of resources and Tsvangirai’s own uninspiring performance as prime minister of Zimbabwe’s national unity government in 2009-2013.

Joice Mujuru – the former vice president and liberation war hero, like Mnangagwa – keeps chipping away at Zanu PF at the head of her new People First Party. For now, her appeal does not appear wide enough to achieve a game-changing result in the general elections. Mujuru is still too closely associated with the ruling party and its bankrupt policies, which probably limits her appeal to disappointed Zanu PF militants.

With the opposition unready, the country could descend into chaos and violence if the ruling party falls apart. Perhaps the only way to avoid this worst case would be the formation of a broad opposition coalition, including the MDC-T, People First and Tendai Biti’s People’s Democratic Party (PDP).

The next two years will be difficult for Zimbabwe. There will be little relief for the economy until the political future is clarified. With investors and donors sidelined, unemployment will stay high, food prices will rise and nearly half the rural population may need food aid next year. The crisis in neighbouring South Africa – an important migration destination and source of remittances – will hit ordinary Zimbabweans hard, further eroding support for Zanu PF in its rural strongholds.

An opposition coalition could mobilise and channel popular discontent against the regime, possibly averting a scenario of escalating violence. This benign outcome would increase political uncertainty in the medium term, even as it lays the groundwork for a stronger civil society and more durable institutions in Zimbabwe over the long term.

Source: Geopolitical Intelligence Service


http://www.thezimbabwean.co/2016/06/after-mugabes-gone-three-paths-for-zim/
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If only the more gooder guys had more gooder guns. RIP.
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Awful to hear what happened in Orlando, and only just down the road from where that singer was shot down the other day.

This will definitely bring the best out of people over there.
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Another waste of life.

What's with people in watch lists committing acts like this?

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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
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20 dead, 42 wounded :(


Make that 50 dead now. Makes it the deadliest mass shooting in US history


That's horrible.
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bigger than port arthur
thoughts and prayers to the families of the victims
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The LGBT community need to understand that extremists aren't on the same side.

I wonder if the people still feel the same way after what happened.

People need to realise that these extremists aren't insane...

They deliberately target anything that is non Muslim .



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the muslims at the conference i'm at have a different view
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grazorblade wrote:
the muslims at the conference i'm at have a different view

Never said all Muslims are terrorists.
But my point being that a faction of politics seems to deny there is a extremist element in that religion
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SocaWho wrote:
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the muslims at the conference i'm at have a different view

Never said all Muslims are terrorists.
But my point being that a faction of politics seems to deny there is a extremist element in that religion


I meant they had a different view of gay people
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grazorblade wrote:
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the muslims at the conference i'm at have a different view

Never said all Muslims are terrorists.
But my point being that a faction of politics seems to deny there is a extremist element in that religion


I meant they had a different view of gay people

They do...just ask Waleed Aly.

Someone asked him on TV what his position on gays were and he couldn't give a straight answer.

Btw the news outlets are reporting that the gunmans father was saying his son saw two men kissing a few months ago and that made him angry and might have been the motivation for his attack

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one thing people who are not religious should understand about religions is that there are are different hermenuetics which different groups follow with respect to their relationship with their texts
there is the conservative hermeneutic: this is the view that all the information required to interpret the text is within the text itself
there is the historical hermeneutic: this is the view that the text was a message to the culture of the time and that extrapolating what it says to todays culture requires understanding how it spoke to the culture of the day
there is the allegorical hermeneutic: this is the view that narratives in the text are metaphors for internal issues (a relevant one would be that jihad is a metaphor for internal struggle)
there is a liberal hermeneutic: the view that a divine God wrote with flawed men to create a flawed book and your conscience guides when it is flawed
there is the theocratic hermeneutic: This can exist even after the theocracy that created it no longer exists. This hermeneutic is extremely conservative on inconsequential doctrines - whether historical events happend, perculiar views on free will and end times events mixed with an mixed bag of a liberal and conservative hermeneutic on issues of morality. Conservative when it benefits the state and hurts the weak and liberal when it benefits the state to be liberal and doesn't help the weak

isis appear to follow a theocratic hermeneutic derived from saudi wahabbism
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