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Part about Jews being forced to register sounds a bit scarily familiar


It's from Israeli media, so I wouldn't trust that entirely...

Edited by 433: 18/4/2014 11:51:27 AM

How do you get 'israeli media' out of "associated press"?


Most media is owned by Jews mate :lol:

I'm not being anti-Semitic or whatever, it's fact.

They seem to have a constant persecution complex.


Yay lets go with anti-semitic stereotyping because thats okay :roll:
I still want to know which news media is Jewish-owned. Apart from the Jerusalem Post and the Jewish Times.


http://i.stack.imgur.com/PPhcg.jpg


Lol. Why is their sexuality (or supposed) important?
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i guess there's no time like easter


Did I just lol at a ricecrackers post?

Well played.
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RedKat wrote:
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433 wrote:
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433 wrote:
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433 wrote:
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Part about Jews being forced to register sounds a bit scarily familiar


It's from Israeli media, so I wouldn't trust that entirely...

Edited by 433: 18/4/2014 11:51:27 AM

How do you get 'israeli media' out of "associated press"?


Most media is owned by Jews mate :lol:

I'm not being anti-Semitic or whatever, it's fact.

They seem to have a constant persecution complex.


Yay lets go with anti-semitic stereotyping because thats okay :roll:
I still want to know which news media is Jewish-owned. Apart from the Jerusalem Post and the Jewish Times.


http://i.stack.imgur.com/PPhcg.jpg


Lol. Why is their sexuality (or supposed) important?


Dont you know? Black gay jews are taking over the WORLD!!!!!! Theyre controlling our minds by controlling the media and then they will take over. Theres nothing at all we can do to stop them. We must just praise our black gay jewish overlords.

What would the authenticity be and source be of that photo. Id imagine some far right conspiracy group?


I, for one, welcome our new black gay jewish overlords.
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NB: It doesn't say "gay", is says "goy" - as in, "non-jew"

Oh and what do you know...

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/
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433 wrote:
NB: It doesn't say "gay", is says "goy" - as in, "non-jew"

Oh and what do you know...

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/

Oh yes, let's take the word of a webpage with headlines such as "who tweeted it? Mr T or the Pope?", "You've been taking your shirt off wrong your whole life", and "this play ground pooper is public enemy no. 2 in Ypsilanti".

:lol:
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afromanGT wrote:
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NB: It doesn't say "gay", is says "goy" - as in, "non-jew"

Oh and what do you know...

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/

Oh yes, let's take the word of a webpage with headlines such as "who tweeted it? Mr T or the Pope?", "You've been taking your shirt off wrong your whole life", and "this play ground pooper is public enemy no. 2 in Ypsilanti".

:lol:


HEY LOOK GUYS I CAN CHERRY PICK TOO HURRRRR
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433 wrote:
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NB: It doesn't say "gay", is says "goy" - as in, "non-jew"

Oh and what do you know...

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/

Oh yes, let's take the word of a webpage with headlines such as "who tweeted it? Mr T or the Pope?", "You've been taking your shirt off wrong your whole life", and "this play ground pooper is public enemy no. 2 in Ypsilanti".

:lol:


HEY LOOK GUYS I CAN CHERRY PICK TOO HURRRRR

Website is run out of some guy's parents basement. It is not a reputable news source.
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and this is the woman the west backs to lead Ukraine


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433 wrote:
NB: It doesn't say "gay", is says "goy" - as in, "non-jew"

Oh and what do you know...

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/


oops. So it does, my bad

The writing was small, and I clearly must need glasses.

Never heard of the "goy" word before though.
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u4486662 wrote:
433 wrote:
NB: It doesn't say "gay", is says "goy" - as in, "non-jew"

Oh and what do you know...

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/


oops. So it does, my bad

The writing was small, and I clearly must need glasses.

Never heard of the "goy" word before though.
It's a derogatory Yiddish word used to describe non-Jews, kind of like Gwei Lo in China or Gaijing in Japan.

Haven't heard anyone use it in decades, but I imagine a few still do. Will be pretty much obsolete in twenty years or so.

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The US is an oligarchy, study concludes

Report by researchers from Princeton and Northwestern universities suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters

By Zachary Davies Boren
10:58AM BST 16 Apr 2014

The US government does not represent the interests of the majority of the country's citizens, but is instead ruled by those of the rich and powerful, a new study from Princeton and Northwestern Universities has concluded.

The report, entitled Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens, used extensive policy data collected from between the years of 1981 and 2002 to empirically determine the state of the US political system.

After sifting through nearly 1,800 US policies enacted in that period and comparing them to the expressed preferences of average Americans (50th percentile of income), affluent Americans (90th percentile) and large special interests groups, researchers concluded that the United States is dominated by its economic elite.

The peer-reviewed study, which will be taught at these universities in September, says: "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."

Researchers concluded that US government policies rarely align with the the preferences of the majority of Americans, but do favour special interests and lobbying organisations: "When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organised interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it."

The positions of powerful interest groups are "not substantially correlated with the preferences of average citizens", but the politics of average Americans and affluent Americans sometimes does overlap. This is merely a coincidence, the report says, with the the interests of the average American being served almost exclusively when it also serves those of the richest 10 per cent.

The theory of "biased pluralism" that the Princeton and Northwestern researchers believe the US system fits holds that policy outcomes "tend to tilt towards the wishes of corporations and business and professional associations."

The study comes in the wake of McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission, a controversial Supreme Court decision which allows wealthy donors to contribute to an unlimited number of political campaigns.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10769041/The-US-is-an-oligarchy-study-concludes.html

Shock News: A Princeton Study Revealed That America Is a Bonafide Oligarchy

By Dan Tookey Apr 17 2014

A new Princeton/Northwestern report has revealed a surprising and deeply unsettling truth: money rules American politics. Of course, it's likely you already knew that, but the good thing about the report is that you now have 20 years of research to prove that the US government is in the grip of the rich and powerful.

The report, called "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups and Average Citizens", used data gathered between 1981 and 2002 to understand whether ordinary Americans are best served by lobbyists, interest groups or the government. Depressingly, it concluded that they're rarely served very well by any of them.

I called up one of the report's authors, Professor Martin Gilens, to find out a little more.

VICE: Your report's conclusion is that America is more of an oligarchy than a democracy. How so?
Martin Gilens: America has many features of a democracy: a free press, free elections and so on, but when it comes to the ability of changing government policy, ordinary citizens have very little influence. The power rests almost wholly on affluent individuals and interest groups, especially those representing business.

How does this skew how the government behaves?
It skews it tremendously when the preferences of these different groups diverge. There are policies and issues where middle income and high income Americans and interest groups might overlap, but there are important issues when the preferences of these interest groups do diverge. Tax policy, for example – or support for the unemployed, government regulation or trade policy – these are all areas where the view of ordinary citizens and those held by "elites" diverge. In these situations we see government policy responding almost overwhelmingly to the preferences of elites and virtually ignoring the views of ordinary citizens.

What policy is the best example of this?
The Bush and Obama administrations’ response to the great recession is a perfect example. We’ve seen minimal accountability of the financial sector and minimal effort to impose meaningful regulation. We’ve seen policies that have been helpful in allowing businesses and affluent Americans to recover quite nicely by this point from the recession, but the middle class and the least well off are still suffering.

And, of course, average Americans presumably want to see new regulation and accountability imposed on these elites.
Based on surveys, there is some support for imposing taxes on the wealthy. There's a widespread assumption that the tax system is unfair, that the economic system in general is "rigged" – if you will – in favour of the powerful. So while I don’t think Americans are gathering at the barricades, there is dissatisfaction and the idea that the government purposefully creates an unfair playing field. There is a lack of support in government for popular policies because there’s a lack of power with the general masses.

Do interest groups put pressure on political parties so that beneficial policies for the general public never reach electoral manifestos?
That’s exactly it. It’s just groups and wealthy individuals playing such dominant roles in the political system that both parties have no choice but to curry their favour. Even when there are individuals, particularly in the Democratic Party, who are advocates for the interests of middle class and the poor they don’t get far.

Do you think the American public would be surprised by your findings?
I’ve surveyed people and asked, "Do you think the government cares about what people like me think?" Those surveys show that the majority of middle class Americans doesn’t think it does. And the majority of people at the top of income distribution say in general that the government does.

Do the general public know what’s best for their own interests?
Average Americans don’t know a lot about the specifics of social conditions or political policies, and that’s partly true for affluent Americans, too. People generally play only a modest amount of attention to what’s going on. People do have misconceptions, too. The question, though, is whether people, despite general low levels of knowledge, are able to form policy preferences that are worthy of guiding democratic policy making? And the answer is yes.

In what way?
Perhaps the most compelling evidence is from studies where hundreds of ordinary citizens are brought together for a weekend, listen to experts and study the issues and policy options. They’re then surveyed to see how their thoughts have changed. What we see is that, though some views may change, the collective view changes very little. People are reasonably good at taking views from their environment and their views are the same even when up to date with the relevant information.

How can average Americans organise themselves to play a bigger part in government?
The most important thing is the role of money. It's very hard to see how to empower middle class Americans without reforming the part money plays in politics. We need meaningful campaign finance reform.

Do you see a stage where ordinary Americans will have absolutely no influence over government policy?
I think we’re pretty much at that point, but that doesn’t mean there's no potential to have influence. Before the crisis of 2007/2008 and the brief Occupy Wall Street campaign, I would have said an economic crisis of that nature would galvanise the public and policy-makers to take the preferences of ordinary Americans seriously. But the crisis didn’t, and everything carried on as usual.

How optimistic are you for American democracy?
Well, not particularly. Realistically, looking at the situation and given the increase in economic inequality, it’s really hard to see where improvement would come from.

Thanks, Professor.


http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/shock-news-a-princeton-study-revealed-that-america-is-an-oligarchy

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thupercoach wrote:
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NB: It doesn't say "gay", is says "goy" - as in, "non-jew"

Oh and what do you know...

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/


oops. So it does, my bad

The writing was small, and I clearly must need glasses.

Never heard of the "goy" word before though.
It's a derogatory Yiddish word used to describe non-Jews, kind of like Gwei Lo in China or Gaijing in Japan.

Haven't heard anyone use it in decades, but I imagine a few still do. Will be pretty much obsolete in twenty years or so.

I can tell you as someone who lives in an area frequented by jews, it's a far from obsolete term.
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afromanGT wrote:
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433 wrote:
NB: It doesn't say "gay", is says "goy" - as in, "non-jew"

Oh and what do you know...

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/


oops. So it does, my bad

The writing was small, and I clearly must need glasses.

Never heard of the "goy" word before though.
It's a derogatory Yiddish word used to describe non-Jews, kind of like Gwei Lo in China or Gaijing in Japan.

Haven't heard anyone use it in decades, but I imagine a few still do. Will be pretty much obsolete in twenty years or so.

I can tell you as someone who lives in an area frequented by jews, it's a far from obsolete term.
Nor are other derogatory, racist words, unfortunately. But I can honestly say I haven't heard it in decades. And as Yiddish continues to die, it'll be used less and less.
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I hear it all the time. But then there are a lot of Hasidic Jews around this area.
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afromanGT wrote:
I hear it all the time. But then there are a lot of Hasidic Jews around this area.
Ah, that's different, they're a breed unto themselves. Most Jews are nothing like them and have little to do with them. They're actually quite a small group, but obviously more visible due to the way they dress.

PS - apparently the sheet thing is a myth.
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carry on


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Pentagon deploying troops to thwart Russia

NATO deploys ships in the Baltic Sea in response to the crisis in Ukraine as U.S. pledges to send 600 troops to region. Video provided by Reuters Newslook

Tom Vanden Brook, USA TODAY 10:17 a.m. EDT April 23, 2014

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is sending about 600 troops to Eastern Europe in response to Russia's incursion into Ukraine, Rear Adm. John Kirby announced Tuesday.

A company-sized contingent of U.S. paratroopers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade will arrive in Latvia on Thursday, the U.S. embassy there announced Wednesday. A similar number of soldiers, about 150, are scheduled to land in Poland on Wednesday. Estonia and Latvia will also host American soldiers for joint training missions in the coming days.

U.S. troops will continue to rotate into the region "at least through the end of this year," according to the embassy.

"Russia's aggression in Ukraine has renewed our resolve to strengthening NATO's defense plans and capabilities, and to demonstrate our continued commitment to collective defense in reinforcing our NATO allies in Central and Eastern Europe," Kirby told reporters at the Pentagon.

The move drew measured praise from Rep. Buck McKeon, a California Republican and chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

"This as a small step in the right direction," McKeon said. "By rearranging U.S. forces already deployed in Europe, the president is doing something, however incremental, to reassure our allies. It might have more deterrent value if he included the Ukrainian military in the exercises. It remains to be seen if this move of 600 troops comes in time to make an impression on the tens of thousands of Russian troops on Ukraine's borders."

Russia annexed Crimea, taking control of key port facilities on the Black Sea, and has been accused by U.S. officials of sending forces elsewhere into eastern Ukraine to destabilize the country.

The token presence of U.S. troops in Poland, a NATO ally bordering Ukraine, and the Baltic nations, also NATO allies, could not repel a Russian invasion or eject them from Ukraine. Russia has massed about 40,000 troops on Ukraine's eastern border.

"What would be very helpful is if they removed their forces off that border and took concrete actions to respect the sovereignty of Ukraine," said Kirby, the Pentagon's press secretary.

The presence of U.S. soldiers raises the stakes for Russia in Poland and the other countries if it moves against them militarily. Wounding or killing an American soldier there could risk a major war.

There are about 67,000 U.S. troops in Europe and 12,000 civilians, according to U.S. European Command. The Cold War peak was 400,000 troops, in 1955 and it dropped to about 100,000 several years ago.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/22/russia-ukraine-crimea-pentagon/8022747/
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600 troops? Putin is shaking in his jackboots.
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600 troops? Putin is shaking in his jackboots.


Don't worry, he'll be getting another sternly worded letter soon. :lol:
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433 wrote:
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600 troops? Putin is shaking in his jackboots.


Don't worry, he'll be getting another sternly worded letter soon. :lol:


600 words perhaps?

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Well what can they do?

Start WW3?


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Munrubenmuz wrote:
Well what can they do?

Start WW3?
Obama couldn't spell WW3...

Anyway, appeasement doesn't work and Putin will keep on doing whatever he feels he can get away with.
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thupercoach wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Well what can they do?

Start WW3?
Obama couldn't spell WW3...

Anyway, appeasement doesn't work and Putin will keep on doing whatever he feels he can get away with.


No, appeasement doesn't work but it isn't as simple as saying the US needs to go in there all guns blazing. The Russians aren't a bunch of hillbilly desert dwelling hicks ready to surrender after a 5 minute engagement.

Colin Powell back in the day said something like "we do deserts, not mountains" when referring to why the US weren't going into Kosovo.


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RedKat wrote:
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
Well what can they do?

Start WW3?
Obama couldn't spell WW3...

Anyway, appeasement doesn't work and Putin will keep on doing whatever he feels he can get away with.


So again what do they do? American intervention starts WW3.


Nothing. Stamp their feet, make noises about sanctions and Crimea stays in Russian hands.

That's it.


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Americans have already done more than enough to start this mess
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
RedKat wrote:
thupercoach wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Well what can they do?

Start WW3?
Obama couldn't spell WW3...

Anyway, appeasement doesn't work and Putin will keep on doing whatever he feels he can get away with.


So again what do they do? American intervention starts WW3.


Nothing. Stamp their feet, make noises about sanctions and Crimea stays in Russian hands.

That's it.

You have to remember that anything america does could well compromise European oil and gas supplies, almost 50% of which comes from Russia.
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^ Lesser of two evils mate.
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433 wrote:
^ Lesser of two evils mate.


It's not a political statement on who I side with in the civil war, I've already basically said in this thread that I side with Assad mate.
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Iridium1010 wrote:
433 wrote:
^ Lesser of two evils mate.


It's not a political statement on who I side with in the civil war, I've already basically said in this thread that I side with Assad mate.


Oh my mistake...

mate.
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