You don't think war is a business?

How ignorant are you?

War is a billon dollar business the biggest winners are the private contractors who win the tenders

you said the USA started it

If humans we were wiped out tomorrow, global warming would be dealt with

One child policies are entirely nonsensical.

In the developed world, they're obsolete - birth rates are already declining naturally anyway. Moreover, these low birth rates lead to ageing populations - one child policies make the ageing population even worse and would cripple these countries. That's bad for plenty of obvious reasons in regards to living standards, but it's also bad for solving global warming, because it means that the countries that currently have the most resources dedicated to researching new technology to combat global warming and improve energy production will be forced to divert those resources as the strain of an ageing population increases.

In the developing world, one child policies are even worse. Population booms and the cheap labour that results are key in lifting developing countries out of poverty. Historically, the west was able to profit off population booms that drove industrial and economic development; it would be entirely unfair to deprive developing nations of that opportunity. One child policies in the developing world would make global inequality so much worse.

But even in terms of the bigger picture, the reality is that population control is never going to solve global warming. Even with one child policies, there will still be billions of people living on the planet and contributing to emissions. If we want to solve global warming for the long term, the priority should be changing the way we produce energy, not reducing energy production.

That's just the practical argument. It's also incredibly fucked principally for governments to control people's reproductive lives, but you don't seem to view that as a problem.

Edited by JP: 7/11/2015 04:15:42 PM

Mate he's a full blown commie or a troll, just ignore.

Sounds a tad condescending.....

Could be just me though.

:lol: Probably true. Worth a try at least.

Edited by JP: 7/11/2015 05:10:17 PM

There you go again. Trying to pick fights. This is your modus operandi. Take something from another thread and stoke the fire.

Gun control is also moral issue, according to plenty of people
Population control and energy production could be equated to 'walking & chewing gum' so to speak

Yep, let's consign the developing world to decades more poverty and cripple developed economies for the sake of a solution which isn't even sustainable. :roll:

Read the important part of my post.

Edited by JP: 7/11/2015 06:20:35 PM

So American satellites picked up a flash from the downed Russian plane and spies have picked up terrorist chatter about it

their surveillance of the earth is pretty incredible, surely they could have picked up mh370 as it was supposedly in the air for 7 odd hours.

1. Unless MH370 was an explosion (and the evidence we have indicates that it wasn't) then there wouldn't have been a flash to pick up.
2. Unless MH370 was a terrorist attack (and, again, the evidence we have indicates that it wasn't) then there wouldn't have been any terrorist chatter to pick up either.

So it's a silly comparison to make.

The point I was making was that America sees and hears everything.

And there really isn't any evidence to point to any probable cause of the crash, none that has been released to the public anyway.

Add in the fact that the plane has supposedly crashed in the same ocean as Diego Garcia then I'd be very surprised that the radars on Diego Garcia wouldn't have picked it up

Honestly I do agree with you - it seems strange to me that we know so little about the crash, but that doesn't mean that a conspiracy is the likely answer. Occam's Razor etc.

from the information that has been released, we are to believe that

all communications and tracking was disabled at the most opportune time, being when air traffic control changed hands, some of these systems required specific training to know how to disable them

And that the aircraft made a number of seemingly controlled turns and ended in the Indian Ocean 6-7 hours later.

So with that, I feel like it points to a controlled action, rather then accident.

And I feel like America would more or less have the majority of the Indian Ocean under surveillance from Diego Garcia

A plane going down in the most scrutinized region of earth with multiple live war zones is different than one going down in a vast ocean in a peaceful region.

Mh370 also would have flown through Australian military radar that's is jointly operated with Malaysia, this radar can pick up aircraft as small as a Cessna taking off in East Timor. The only way mh370 wouldn't have been picked up is if the radar was turned off. Which seems to be the case.

So if Australia have radar to that capibility so would America from Diego Garcia, meaning it would have flown through the radars of 2 High tech defense systems.

As with every crime, someone knows something and isn't telling

So with this maybe countries should stop trying to develope stealth aircraft and just buy some b777's :lol:

..............and jet fuel can't melt steel.

If anything it should be concerning in terms of the safety of our country, that a plane of that size was undetected.

Or it possibly was and was ignored for certain reasons

I wouldn't know, I'm not an expert in that field.

I would have thought the world cannot keep growing, so eventually there will be an aged person burden regardless. Your point must be that, the world's population can stop growing once we have tackled the fossil fuel problem, so that once dealt with then we will have more wealth available to support the ageing population? If so, the track record ain't too good to believe that it will be any time soon.

Murdoch Rags - the science of demographics is well established. Consensus forecasting is that the world population will peak between 9 and 10 billion then decline, as birthrates decline as poorer nations become richer, and health care in poor countries continue to improve.

population is out of control
we need to reduce it ASAP :)

There appears to a terrorist attack of some sort going on in Paris.

Reports that 18 people have been killed by gunmen in a Cambodian restuarant
Bombs/grenades exploding near where the France Germany football match is being played
Hostages have been taken in a concert hall
French President evacuated to a safe place

It seems there might have been suicide bombs detonated outside two of the gates of the Stade de France which killed multiple people.

Multiple Attacks Hit Paris Area in Night of Deadly Terror


By ADAM NOSSITER and RICK GLADSTONENOV. 13, 2015


PARIS — A shooting rampage, explosions and mass hostage taking convulsed the Paris area on Friday night in what appeared to be one of the deadliest coordinated terrorist attacks to ever strike France.

French television and news services quoted the police as saying at least 60 people had been killed and many dozens wounded in at least four attacks, far eclipsing the deaths and mayhem that roiled Paris in the Charlie Hebdo massacre and related assaults around the French capital less than a year ago.

There was no claim of responsibility, but Twitter erupted with celebratory messages by members and sympathizers of the Islamic State, the extremist group based in Syria and Iraq that is under assault by major powers including the United States, France and Russia.

French television reported that one of at least two explosions had struck near Paris at the country’s main sports stadium, forcing the hasty evacuation of President François Hollande. The explosion occurred during a France-Germany soccer match.

Mr. Hollande quickly convened an emergency cabinet meeting.

The main shooting appeared to have broken out at a popular concert hall, The Bataclan, where the American band the Eagles of Death Metal was playing, and French news services said as many as 100 hostages may have been taken there.

A witness quoted by BFM television said he heard rounds of automatic rifle fire and someone shouting “Allahu akbar!” at The Bataclan.

The police were ordering bystanders in the that area to get off the streets, French television reported.

French news media reported that Kalashnikov rifles had been involved in the shootings — a favored weapon of militants who have attacked targets in France — and that many rounds had been fired.

The shootings occurred near the former headquarters of Charlie Hebdo, the satirical newspaper where shootings by Islamic militants traumatized France in January.

Police sirens sounded throughout central Paris on Friday night.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/world/europe/paris-shooting-attacks.html?_r=0

Im really surprised that Putin hasn't retaliated to the downing of the Russian plane.

I'm still hoping for a mass deployment of troops to Syria

Paris attack aftermath: talk turns to war

Date November 15, 2015 - 3:52PM
Nick O'Malley

As France continues to count its dead and wounded and the world comes to terms the scope of the coordinated attacks on Paris, talk has turned to war.

Speaking from the Elysee Palace just hours after the attack, French President Francois Hollande described the attack as "act of war that was prepared, organised and planned from abroad".

His language was echoed by the Pope, who described the attack as part of a third world war.

In the United States there have been calls to invoke Article 5 of the NATO treaty, which contains the principle of the collective self-defence of the member states.

"The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked," it reads.

Writing for the journal Foreign Policy, the retired four-star US Navy admiral and NATO supreme allied commander James Stavridis said Article 5 should be invoked and that the Allied Joint Force Command in Naples, Italy, which directed the air war against the ousted Libyan regime ,should direct operations against IS.

"There is a time for soft power and playing the long game in the Middle East, but there is also a time for the ruthless application of hard power. It is NATO's responsibility to recognise our current moment qualifies as the latter to direct massive operations against IS in Syria and Iraq," he wrote.

At least one of the Republican Party's presidential contenders, John Kasich, has echoed his call.

"Today, NATO should invoke Article 5 of our NATO agreement, which basically says an attack on an ally is an attack on us and an attack on all of the Western world," the Ohio governor said in a campaign stop in Florida. "We as Americans must assert leadership and we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with France and the French people. This is a moment to bring us together."

The three Democratic presidential candidates addressed the issue in their second debate on Saturday night, which began with a moment's silence to those killed in the attacks.

Their answers to questions about how they would tackle the threat from IS suggested they were aware that the thought of a new war remains deeply unpopular in America, particularly among Democratic voters.

Distancing herself slightly from President Barack Obama, the party's frontrunner, Hillary Clinton, said that IS could not be contained and must be defeated, and that it could not be done by America alone.

"I don't think that the United States has the bulk of the responsibility," she said. "This cannot be an American fight, although American leadership is essential."

Her rival, Senator Bernie Sanders, suggested Mrs Clinton bore some responsibility for chaos in the region because of her support for the invasion of Iraq, which she conceded was a mistake.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/paris-attack-aftermath-talk-turns-to-war-20151115-gkzcu4.html#ixzz3rYbJbKq1