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I thought we should have a thread devoted to the progress of the apl. There has been a fair bit of discussion here in Rockhampton and Central Queensland about the best way forward for our area.
If the mods feel this is sticky worthy that would be great as i feel this is a major step forward for the game especially for the regional areas.
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Jargernaut
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here is an article from one of our local papers on the way forward for CQ Quote:Football bid unity needed 10th July 2012 8:25 AM 'UNITED we stand, divided we fall' might be the winning strategy for Central Queensland's football dreams. Last night Capricorn Cougars coach and regional development officer Joe Fenech urged the region to band together in the name of elite football. During the coming months Football Queensland embarks on a process to bring together the 12 best applicants to form the Australian Premier League in the Sunshine State. "I wanted to explain what it would take to have Central Queensland represented and what it means," Fenech said. Only 12 applicants for the Australian Premier League will be successful from throughout the state, currently Central Queensland has four bids and according to Fenech it is highly likely only one will be successful. The purpose of last night's meeting at the Grand Hotel was to convince Gladstone clubs the best way to win a spot in the league was to work together to put one successful bid forward for Central Queensland, not four. "We need to work together to put Central Queensland on the map in terms of football and to give our kids the very best opportunities," Fenech said. However, to obtain a successful bid, Fenech outlined various issues the region needed to overcome. Coaching and facilities were top of the list. Fenech said the criteria was stringent and advanced coaching licences would need to be obtained. Facilities to train and play at were also of concern, with the possibility of 10 new teams on the cards, but he wanted to remain realistic. "To be honest we don't have the numbers or the facilities to have more then one Central Queensland team. "It is critical we work together and not out of self interest." http://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/story/2012/07/10/football-bid-unity-needed-central-queensland/ Edited by jargernaut: 10/7/2012 12:04:31 PM
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dirk vanadidas
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Will the QLD APL mean that Lismore FNNSW elite youth wont be able to partake as they do now in the SEQ JPL comp.
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dirkvanadidas wrote:Will the QLD APL mean that Lismore FNNSW elite youth wont be able to partake as they do now in the SEQ JPL comp. It may only be a rumour but I have been told that Football Far North Coast (Lismore etc) will be able to apply for the Qld APL division. That makes sense as this region is closer to the major hub of South East Qld than it is to Newcastle, where FFNC is basically treated as an afterthought (from what I've been told). It's a very strong area for football and would make a great addition to the Qld APL in my opinion, from Under 12's to Seniors. It would be a real shot in the arm for players with talent and ambition in the region too.
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Jargernaut
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GCU - Brisbane Branch wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:Will the QLD APL mean that Lismore FNNSW elite youth wont be able to partake as they do now in the SEQ JPL comp. It may only be a rumour but I have been told that Football Far North Coast (Lismore etc) will be able to apply for the Qld APL division. That makes sense as this region is closer to the major hub of South East Qld than it is to Newcastle, where FFNC is basically treated as an afterthought (from what I've been told). i haven't heard or read anything in relation to that, however it does make sense. The only reason they may not be included is if there is 12 decent bids from within the QLD borders. On the other hand if there is 13 good bids then a FFNC team may be accepted then to keep the even numbers.
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Jargernaut wrote:GCU - Brisbane Branch wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:Will the QLD APL mean that Lismore FNNSW elite youth wont be able to partake as they do now in the SEQ JPL comp. It may only be a rumour but I have been told that Football Far North Coast (Lismore etc) will be able to apply for the Qld APL division. That makes sense as this region is closer to the major hub of South East Qld than it is to Newcastle, where FFNC is basically treated as an afterthought (from what I've been told). i haven't heard or read anything in relation to that, however it does make sense. The only reason they may not be included is if there is 12 decent bids from within the QLD borders. On the other hand if there is 13 good bids then a FFNC team may be accepted then to keep the even numbers. Ok it just seems strange to be using colonial boundaries as FFA move the game forward in the 21st century and totally ignore the demographic changes in the last 200 years .
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Perhaps I don't fully understand this proposition but why are they calling it Australian Premier League when it appears to be just in the state of QLD? They are also claiming it to under pin A-League?
QLD already have a QLD premier league which under pins A-League in QLD so I don't understand the purpose of the proposed league and what it's trying to achieve. Is it an attempt to divide what already exists or provide another platform for clubs which are not in the QLD premier league?
So would someone mind explaining to a new south welshman because it seems all rather odd.
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Arthur
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It appears all the top level state competitions are now to be called APL. The winners of these competitions will playoff in a national comp like the Champions League.
They will also be the first participants in the FFA Cup. Everyone else will be a "community" club.
The only reason you haven't heard of it is Qld seems enamoured with it.
Haven't heard a thing about it here in VIC. (APL that is)
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Thanks Arthur,
So the Vic premier league is to be renamed Australian Premier League and the same will happen to New South Wales Premier League and so on throughout Australia.
They will play the main season in their own state premier league with the winners playing a champions league of sorts...
Hmmmm probably not a bad concept if state premier league clubs run with it and FFA and state bodies run with it also.
There isn't much talk from NSWPL clubs either. So will be interesting to see where this goes if anywhere.
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Aussiesrus wrote:Thanks Arthur,
So the Vic premier league is to be renamed Australian Premier League and the same will happen to New South Wales Premier League and so on throughout Australia.
They will play the main season in their own state premier league with the winners playing a champions league of sorts...
Hmmmm probably not a bad concept if state premier league clubs run with it and FFA and state bodies run with it also.
There isn't much talk from NSWPL clubs either. So will be interesting to see where this goes if anywhere. i think why you'll find that qld has run with the idea a lot more as there is a real divide between the brisbane league and the state league. If the APL-QLD can get real backing giving the best clubs from brisbane and the regional areas a competition that everyone sees as the best will allow the best footballers of the state a chance to develop. For the VPL and the NSWPL it wont change much as the distance issues are not there as they are in qld.
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When will the Queensland FA make a decision on the clubs to be accepted? I'm sorry; I'm interested, but I have no idea about the intricacies of forming a football league so this discussion could be in Mandarin to me.
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:When will the Queensland FA make a decision on the clubs to be accepted? I'm sorry; I'm interested, but I have no idea about the intricacies of forming a football league so this discussion could be in Mandarin to me. Ken, this article has more detail, http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/241107,australian-premier-league-plan-revealed.aspx. However the specific details you are asking for from that article is, "Clubs keen to enter the Queensland division of the APL will have until June 8 to submit expressions of interest. Consultations will take place over the following months with final applications due by August 24. It is expected that the 12 successful clubs will be announced by Football Queensland in late September." I think the perfect spread would be to have Brisbane Strikers + 3 other Brisbane Teams Gold Coast (i would really like to see this being Gold Coast United) Sunshine Coast Fire Bundaberg Central Queensland Whitsunday North Queensland (Fury would be fantastic) Ipswich Toowoomba Edited by jargernaut: 13/7/2012 12:08:10 PM
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It might be a pipe dream, however having the likes of Gold Coast United, North Queensland Fury and Brisbane Strikers playing in the competition will give it a real feel of second tier football. The clubs are recognised all over queensland and australia and then would mirror the image of the NSWPL having teams like Marconi, Sydney United etc.. and the VPL with South Melbourne and Melbourne Knights.
We all want to see the whole football landscape come together for the benefit of football in general and the APL system is our first real step towards that.
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Thanks mate, I guess I'll have to wait till September for more news. I honestly think that creating a "new" Fury and GCU will actually be counter-productive but as long as I have a team to support that some of the old United fans will get behind I'll be happy.
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Will be interesting to see which clubs apply to join the league, and more to the point to see exactly what requirements are placed on clubs before they can join the league.
FFV invited clubs to apply to run the zonal teams in Victoria for the Champions League summer comp a couple of years ago and very few were interested under the terms offered (from what I've heard the terms were essentially - you do everything and FFV gets the credit).
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Benjamin wrote:Will be interesting to see which clubs apply to join the league, and more to the point to see exactly what requirements are placed on clubs before they can join the league.
FFV invited clubs to apply to run the zonal teams in Victoria for the Champions League summer comp a couple of years ago and very few were interested under the terms offered (from what I've heard the terms were essentially - you do everything and FFV gets the credit). the national competition review gave us a pretty good insight into what the core requirements, from a football aspect, will be required for applying clubs. obviously the financial aspect will be kept away from the public initially.
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Quote:Recently we engaged Football Federation Australia, Australian Institute of Sport and the Queensland Academy of Sport about the age set up for the Australian Premier League.
While there was a lot of discussion around different age groups, one thing we now all agree with is that the boys Under 15 age group is an important step for the next pathway, more particularly our QAS program, the Under 17 Joey’s that play in the World Cup and the Under 16’s Australian team that play in the AFC Cup. We had previously been told that the combination of a 15/16 age group would be sufficient.
Therefore, effective immediately, we will be changing the age groups by adding in the Boys Under 15’s to the current Under 12,13,14,16, 18 Age groups.
Clubs wishing to participate within the Australian Premier League Competition should add this team to any budget or forecast that has been already prepared.
Over the coming weeks, there will be a number of Football Forums in South East Queensland being held in conjunction with Clubs. We will also hold an independent Open Forum for Players, Parents and the Football Family which we will advise through our communication channels.
http://www.footballqueensland.com.au/index.php?display=item&id=1725
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Quote: Over the coming weeks, there will be a number of Football Forums in South East Queensland being held in conjunction with Clubs. We will also hold an independent Open Forum for Players, Parents and the Football Family which we will advise through our communication channels.http://www.footballqueensland.com.au/index.php?display=item&id=1725 Same is happening in Victoria, I would say it looks like a FFA edict, as from what I read earlier regarding Qld APL it was set in stone and so to in Victoria. At least in Victoria we are not starting until 2014 allowing plenty of time for debate and consensus. Also preparation.
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Major problems in south east queensland. For a long time clubs in Brisbane have questioned the viability of a stae wide competition and the benefits to those players in the south east of the state. Secondly and perhaps more importantly is the credability of those running Football Queensland, there have always been accusations of deals done behind closed doors and rules bent for the chosen ones. Thirdly the regional development officers employed by FQ in each zone have been told they could be made redundent in order to divert monies to the APL. We already have a state wide senior competition called QSL. This is i beleive the 4th attempt in the last 20 years to run a successful competition across queensland none of which have worked. Brisbane that has half the registered players in the state only has 1 team and the side from the gold coast was abandoned by its owner and is funded by FQ. The NCR quite rightly recommends that to produce the best players they must be playing each other on a weekly basis through out a longer season and be coached by the best coaches. This already exists to a degree in junior football with the jpl that has attracted most of the best players across south east queensland and some of the better coaches. This will be lost as none of the Brisbane clubs that run jpl teams have expressed an interest in the APL. On the senior level or from u16 up the argument against APL in Brisbane from a clubs prospective is quite simple, why travel to Cairns, Townsville, Rockhampton, Mackay to play against teams that are of lesser quality than those 5 minutes away? Why would a club want to risk its existance with large financial commitments and no gaurantees from FQ. From a players prospective will they get better sitting on a plane for hours travelling to play against players that are not as good as those at the end of the street ? On the coasts the situation is different again. The Sunshine Coast has junior teams in the jpl run by the zone and all 22 senior clubs have expressed a desire that this continues and the new APL team in the zone is also run by the zone. However the existing QSL side The Fire who are owned by the ex legal advisor and friend of the FQ ceo also want in to the APL and to run the juniors against the wishes of the local league clubs. Gold Coast is different again with the 29 local clubs all expressing the deire that an APL team be run by the zone who also currently runs the junior jpl teams only for FQ to allegedly approach a local club to apply after the closing date. What ever happened to just playing a game at the weekend.
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teams for cairns, townsville, rocky, 9 apparantly for seq if any show interest but the ffa visit to FB should be interesting
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Epic, if they can fund it.
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dirkvanadidas wrote:teams for cairns, townsville, rocky, 9 apparantly for seq if any show interest but the ffa visit to FB should be interesting This. Can't just have a re-badged Football Queensland, the BPL needs to come on-side with this and make a truely united Queensland Second Division. Looking forward to see all of this happen, can only hope there's a TV component to this deal, lord knows teams like the Razorbacks could do with the financial help. -PB
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To: Clubs, Players, Volunteers and the Queensland Football Family From: Geoff Foster Subject: IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING FOOTBALL IN QUEENSLAND Date: 24th August 2012 Tonight, Football Federation Australia (FFA) together with Football Queensland (FQ) hosted a presentation of the National Competition Review (NCR), the Advanced Player Pathways, Coach Education and the Australian Premier League (APL). FFA Technical Director Han Berger, Head of Game Development John Boultbee and National Club Development Manager Emma Highwood attended the meeting along with coaches and administrators from Football Queensland, Football Brisbane, Brisbane Roar and clubs across Brisbane, Sunshine Coast and Gold Coast. The following information was released as part of the presentation: Football Queensland has requested that Football Brisbane delay the announcement of their teams in the new Brisbane Premier League (BPL) until we have received and considered applications into the APL; A program of trials will commence for APL clubs with timetables provided (this will tell players that don’t have to commit to a BPL Club for fear of missing out); Players or Parents should be aware that signing any form of registration to any club prior to the 31st December is not binding and will not be accepted by either FFA or FQ; Clubs can apply to participate in both the APL and BPL or other community based competitions. That means FQ guarantee teams will participate at a skill level commensurate with ability and that a club participating in the APL will not be penalised by being excluded from the higher competitive divisions operating under Football Brisbane management; Queensland State teams will be selected from teams participating in the APL. The Australian Premier League application process closes on the 14th September and the FFA and FQ will name the licensees towards the end of September 2012. End.
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Yeah there's talks of a GCU/Fury revival in two compulsory NYL teams. -PB
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Quote:EXCLUSIVE: Two new National Youth League clubs in Queensland are set to be created under Football Federation Australia's National Competition Review, sparking hopes of a revival for North Queensland Fury and Gold Coast United.
The review highlighted the limited elite player pathway options in Queensland following the closure of the two A-League clubs over the last 18 months.
The FFA are now looking at a North Queensland side and a "third Queensland" side to join the NYL and create opportunities for talented youngsters to progress towards a professional career.
Gold Coast successfully fielded a youth team, winning the Championship twice in their short existence, but Fury never put an NYL side together in their two seasons.
However the FFA could choose to avoid resurrecting the bitter memories created by Fury's financial collapse and Gold Coast's acrimonious axeing over the fall-out with owner Clive Palmer.
Instead FFA Executive Manager Mark Falvo revealed they were also looking at the possibility of simply creating new sides to distance them from the past.
But he stressed they had yet to set a timetable for the project, and said any National Youth League expansion would be subject to a cost-benefit analysis.
The revelations came during a presentation to prospective Queensland Australian Premier League clubs where the FFA said creating an easily identifiable elite player pathways is one of their current top priorities.
However they are concerned that the introduction of two more Queensland teams to the National Youth League will create a pathway dead end without senior clubs to support the NYL sides.
Football Queensland CEO Geoff Foster backed a move towards more Queensland teams in the National Youth League, regardless of the name of the clubs.
“The inclusion of a Northern National Youth League team is critical to the success of the program’s stated ambition of providing a seamless and meaningful pathway for our elite youth,” Foster said.
“We continue to make representations to FFA that a Northern A-League licence is essential to a truly national league and we see the reinstatement of a youth league presence as a critical step to the reinstatement of a full licence.”
The FFA have ruled out further A-League expansion until 2015, but Foster added: “Queensland wants to be knocking on the door at the first opportunity.”
Keeping the Fury and United brands alive in the National Youth League was welcomed by both clubs' fans desperate to maintain links with their axed clubs.
Marcus Ellison, a prominent member of the North Queensland Fury’s F-Troop, said their supporter group would be delighted by the return of the Fury brand - or any other name.
“There’s a broad appeal with the Fury brand beyond North Queensland and I think it would get quite a lot of support," he said. "If it started up again I think people would get on board wholeheartedly.
“From my point of view, the fact they are talking about is a great. We definitely need that link between the grass roots and a national league.
“Whether it’s Fury or another entity that has aspirations to play at a higher level, they will get the bulk of support in the region.”
Save GCU's Nathan Mulhearn felt the same way about his former club.
“We were told by the FFA when GCU were wound up that they still wanted a youth team in the region,” Mulhearn said.
“Why would the FFA need to hold on to the brand? We’d be happy to work with their licensing agreements if they wanted to reignite the brand.
“We would look at building a community ownership model, this could involve Football Gold Coast and other investors, building from the bottom up this time around, and not from the top down as happened before.
“There is already brand equity, a Facebook page with 6000 fans and a twitter account with 2000 followers, so why start again with a new name -PB
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I think GCU is a bit of a tarnished brand, NQF i wouldnt mind coming in with same colours/name.
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GCU is the strongest football brand on the coast. No other brand will get the number of football supporters behind it. The Stars was an absolute failure and that went down its own track, why make the same mistake?
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I think GCU and NQF should be given these licences, no one can change what has happened but this is a perfect chance to right some of the wrongs...and besides those regions were chosen originally for a reason.
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:GCU is the strongest football brand on the coast. No other brand will get the number of football supporters behind it. The Stars was an absolute failure and that went down its own track, why make the same mistake? What about a total new brand? nonetheless exiting times:) really looking forward to this, might actually start supporting a state side:)
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