NCR discussion agenda hits Victoria


NCR discussion agenda hits Victoria

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"The 2 divisions are based on geographical division ie East Victoria, West Victoria "

Can you confirm this as the 'car salesman' who is on the national steering committe denies this when speaking to the qld meeting.


Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club

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Benjamin wrote:
Every team within the system must field numerous sides across the age groups (fair enough), and every one of these teams must be coached by the holder of a shiny new certificate... Wonder how much said certificates cost to obtain.


The FFV has put out the figure of $700-$1000 per Junior player in the ECL team as the cost of running the junior program or a total of $110,000 which is well underfunded for a 10 month season.
The assumption the FFV is using is that an AFC C Licence Coach will train an U16 team for about $4,000 for a 10 month season. My estimate of how much that coach would be looking for would be inthe range of $12,000. Lets not forget to meet the NC requirements an U16 team should be training 4-6 times a week for 10 months.

While the ECL teams are restricted to one team per age group starting from U12 right upto U20. They cannot have SSF teams but must run a SAP program for U11-U9.

One major issue I have is that the ECL teams can only recruit junior players from within their zone. Which effectively means as a player has limited choice as to who they can play for.
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Benjamin wrote:
Every team within the system must field numerous sides across the age groups (fair enough), and every one of these teams must be coached by the holder of a shiny new certificate... Wonder how much said certificates cost to obtain.


You'd hope if they are going to start increasing the number of participants they'll be able to lower the costs.

I know right now the jets are donating the money raised from gate takings from the pre-season games to NNSW for coaching scholarships across NNSW.

They really need to find a way to remove barriers from coach education, not use it as a revenue stream.
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Every team within the system must field numerous sides across the age groups (fair enough), and every one of these teams must be coached by the holder of a shiny new certificate... Wonder how much said certificates cost to obtain.
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They are not sure if they will have two equal divisions one in the East of Voctoria and one in the West.

Or a first division and second division.
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Arthur wrote:
[quote]Proposed Framework - CRITERIA

•No promotion and relegation from/to the community leagues while the licensed clubs are meeting NCR requirements
–Promotion and relegation may exist between the 2 divisions within the League for all age brackets to ensure the best teams play against the best at each age level or
The 2 divisions are based on geographical division ie East Victoria, West Victoria
•As the sport grows new licences may be added to the new structure, but not within the first licence period
•No other semi professional leagues in Victoria

What?
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Why don't the Bayside League and VicSoccer amalgamate and take over the running of the game in Victoria. The current crop is past its used by date and should get out of the game. Give the game back to the people who have passion for the sport.

Edited by atlas: 6/8/2012 03:35:27 PM
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The NCR has finally made it to Victoria and here is the discussion document. No link hot off the presses so to speak.
Here is the link;
http://www.footballfedvic.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Competitions/NCR/NCR_Presentation_FFV_July_2012.pdf


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The Vision for Football in Victoria
Presentation Agenda

•Why are we participating in the National Competition Review (NCR)?
•Background to the NCR
–FFA‟s approach
–Steps taken by FFV to date
•FFA Key Outcomes of NCR
•Proposed Competitions Calendar
•Evolution of the Elite Player Pathway

Presentation Agenda

•NCR – Victoria
–clubs & Teams
–Structure & Criteria
–Finances
–Coaching Requirements
–Player Points System
•Community Competitions
–Men‟s
–Boy‟s
–Women‟s
–Girl‟s
•Where to from here & Submitting your feedback

Why are we participating in the NCR?

•Meets the strategic objectives of the FFV
–Increase member numbers
–Increase member satisfaction
•Falls within one of FFV‟s 6 Strategic Goals
–Structure & Delivery of the Game in Victoria
•We want to be a world leader in the World Game
–Australia and Victoria need to catch up with the rest of the world
•Comes from extensive FFA research which has already seen development of key documents and resources
–National Coaching Curriculum, National Development Plan, etc.
•Provides an opportunity to better use limited resources, better skill development for all players
•Creates a well defined pathway, and clearly delineates between community clubs and „talented player‟ clubs
–Allows clubs to better understand their role in the delivery of the sport in Victoria

Background to the NCR

•FFA research suggests Australian players don‟t play enough football to match it with European counterparts
•Delivery of football in level below A-League is inconsistent throughout Australia
•Seek better structures to deliver the sport at all levels, especially in skill development for talented players
•FFA conducted a review of all competitions around Australia (NCR)
•FFA delivered findings of the review to Member Federations earlier in 2012

Background to the NCR

•FFV Board first considered the NCR findings, recommendations and mandated requirements for state rollouts
•Board formed a Football Sub Committee to develop a Victorian framework to be discussed in a consultative process with Victorian football stakeholders
–Members: Ian Eman-Ammache (Chair), Steve Milicevic, Theresa Deas, Alan Davidson, John Karounos
•FFV Board, Football Subcommittee and Senior FFV staff workshopped issues
•From this workshop the following framework was developed into a discussion paper/presentation
•Forums to be held State-wide to ensure full consultation with Football community before final framework is ratified by the FFV Board

FFA Key Outcomes

•Evolution of the Elite Player Pathway to:
–Recognise the important contribution of state-based elite clubs
–Address gaps in the talented player pathway
•Introduction of an Elite Club Accreditation System to:
–Increase quality of youth development practices
–Develop better coaches
•Introduction of a Player Points System to:
–Correct unsustainable player payments in State League competitions
–Promote youth development within the club team structure
•Revision of Training Compensation Regulations to:
–Reward clubs which achieve accreditation
–Increase the flow of revenue to elite clubs
•Definition of Competition windows and participation requirements to:
–Extend the duration of the season in critical stages of player development

Proposed Framework – clubs

•Maximum of 24 clubs from across Victoria, comprising of:

–Up to 6 regional clubs: men‟s, women‟s, boys & girls teams:
•Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton, Albury/Wodonga, Gippsland
–Up to 16 Metropolitan clubs: men‟s, women‟s, boys & girls teams:
•Maximum 2 from each of the 8 current FFV Metropolitan „Zones‟
•North, South, East, West, North East, North West, South East & Central
–Up to 2 FFA required clubs/programs
•Melbourne Heart NYL & Academy teams
•Melbourne Victory NYL & Academy teams
•NTC/Skillaroo programs
–Inclusive of Women & Girls
–League divided over 2 Divisions (if sufficient numbers)

Proposed Framework – TEAMS

•New structure would require clubs who wish to participate in second-tier competition to have the teams identified below
•Must meet the NCR & FFV team requirements and/or have a plan to meet them over the Licence period
–SAP Training Programs (9 – 11 years boys and girls)
–Under 12 Boys, Under 13 Boys, Under 14 Boys, Under 15 Boys, Under 16 Boys
–Under 18 Boys, Under 20 Men, Open Men
–Under 12 Girls, Under 14 Girls, Under 16 Girls
–Under 18 Girls, Open Women

Proposed Framework - STRUCTURE

•Can only have one team in each age bracket
•Cannot field sides in community competitions or SSF competitions
•For Junior age brackets under 18 and down recruitment must come from a designated zone (or part of a zone in the case of Wimmera South Coast and Goulburn North East)
•Junior players (u18 and down): To be eligible for selection talented player identification is based on the community club they play for NOT their residential postcode
•When an u18 participant becomes a playing member they automatically become a legal member of the club
–Therefore all junior players (all parents or guardians) have the right to have a say in how the talented player club is run

Proposed Framework - CRITERIA

•For entry into the new second tier structure clubs / individuals / consortia must submit a formal application outlining how they‟ll meet all NCR criteria

•Applications must also meet any Victorian specific criteria set by FFV

•Successful applicants will be granted a licence by FFV and will have a period to meet all of the NCR requirements (3-5 years to be determined)

•Licences will be reviewed annually against the clubs meeting the NCR/FFV requirements. Subject to compliance there will be no new licences granted for a defined period.

Proposed Framework - CRITERIA

•No promotion and relegation from/to the community leagues while the licensed clubs are meeting NCR requirements
–Promotion and relegation may exist between the 2 divisions within the League for all age brackets to ensure the best teams play against the best at each age level or
–The 2 divisions are based on geographical division ie East Victoria, West Victoria
•As the sport grows new licences may be added to the new structure, but not within the first licence period
•No other semi professional leagues in Victoria

Proposed Framework – FINANCES

Licence fee:
•Estimated $50k
–Based on current fee structures for clubs entering teams in VPL/WPL and teams in the identified age brackets

Junior fees:
•clubs will be able to charge a fee for junior players
•Budget and fees for junior programs will need to be submitted to FFV for approval
•Based on information collected from VCL clubs and extrapolating this to a 40 week season the cost of the program would be approximately $110k.
–This is dependant on cost structures of the club in terms of venue costs, administration costs, coaching payments etc.
•Estimated cost based on VCL model for 40 week season is between $700 and $1,000 per junior player
•Scholarships should be available to talented players unable to afford fees

Proposed Framework - FINANCES

Senior Teams Costs:
•Men‟s and Women‟s senior teams will participate in semi-professional Leagues
•Points Cap to apply to both Leagues will help reduce player payments, to be set at 200 points (currently VPL clubs operating on 280 to 330 points)
•Accredited NCR clubs will receive a greater share of training compensation
•NCR clubs ability to earn revenue from canteen sales, gate takings, fundraising and sponsorship will remain in the control of clubs
•Costs associated with running senior teams in the NCR will be similar to costs associated with the VPL.
–This is dependant on cost structures of the club in terms of venue costs, administration costs, coaching payments, player payments etc.

Proposed Framework – COACH REQUIREMENTS

By 2016 each club must have
Technical Director
The Technical Director must hold a 'new' A-Licence OR an 'old' A-Licence AND a refresher certificate
First Team Coach
The First Team Coach must hold a 'new' A-Licence OR an 'old' A-Licence AND a refresher certificate
First Team Assistant Coach
The First Team Assistant Coach must hold a 'new' B-Licence OR an 'old' B-Licence AND a refresher certificate
U20 Coach
The U20 Coach must hold a 'new' B-Licence OR an 'old' B-Licence AND a refresher certificate
U20 Assistant Coach
The U20 Assistant Coach must hold a 'new' B-Licence
U18 Coach
The U18 Coach must hold a 'new' B-LIcence
U16 Coach
Must hold the (new) Youth Specialist Certificate
U15 Coach
Must hold the (new) Youth Specialist Certificate
U14 Coach
Must hold the (new) Youth Specialist Certificate
U13 Coach
Must hold the (new) Youth Specialist Certificate
U12 Coach
Must hold the (new) Youth Specialist Certificate

Proposed Framework – Player Points System

•Two fundamental issues were identified during the NCR
–Inadequate focus on youth development
–Unsustainable player wages
•The PPS provides an opportunity to:
–Incentivise youth development
–Curb excessive player payments
–Limit the time and effort required to monitor and evaluate compliance by clubs
•The PPS was preferred over a salary based cap system due to the high compliance costs such a framework would impose on Member Federations and an inability to simultaneously bring focus on player development
•The PPS assumes a mandatory squad size of 20 players for the First Team
–Each player is initially worth 10 points and the absolute point limit is 200 points per squad
–Player values are then discounted, or inflated, depending on the characteristics of the player and whether the characteristics have been prioritised.
•The adjusted values, which would be cumulative, are as per the next slide

Community Competition - Men

•Restructure State League 1 into North/West and South/East competitions as is currently the case with State Leagues 2 and 3, which will remain the same.
•Provisional Leagues and Metropolitan Leagues will be renamed State Leagues 4,5,6 and will be split into 4 zones.
–Central/Western
–North West/Northern
–North East/Eastern
–South East/Southern
•State League playoff structure implemented
•All leagues will be amateur status
•No change to the regional/country league structures

Community Competition – Boys

•Junior boys metro competitions are currently divided into 6 zones:
•Recommend to reduce to 4 metro zones.
–Central/Western
–North West/Northern
–North East/Eastern
–South East/Southern
•SSF to be split into 8 zones
•Metro playoffs to continue
•No regional/country teams in metro leagues
•No change to regional/country competitions

Community Competition – Women

Based on the assumption that all 16 Metropolitan clubs in the 2nd tier competition have women‟s teams:
•State League 1 split into S/E and N/W divisions with first and reserve grade teams in 2014,
•State League 2 split into S/E and N/W divisions with first and reserve grade teams being introduced in 2015,
•clubs only allowed to enter team in one division for State leagues 1 & 2,
•Metropolitan League to become State League 3 with up to 4 regionally based divisions (one team only),
•State League playoffs to continue as per current structure,
•No change to regional/country competitions.

Community Competition - Girls

•Junior girls Metro competitions are currently divided as follows:
–Central/North East/East
–South East/South
–West/North West/North
•Further discussion needs to be entered in to regarding how junior girl‟s Metro League will be structured in the future after NCR framework is finalised.
•No change to regional/country competitions

Consultation & Timelines Consultation

•August/September
•FFV will be holding forums with:
–Zone representatives and Standing Committees members forum
–Current VPL & WPL clubs forum
–Current Men‟s and Women‟s State League 1 clubs forum
–Regional forums in Bendigo, Ballarat, Shepparton, Geelong, Wodonga, Gippsland & Mildura
–Metro forums in Western, Eastern, Northern and Southern areas.
•September/October
–Board and Football Committee to consider feedback
•November - December
–Board to make final decision
–Communication of decision to Football Community

Implementation
•Will be based on Board decision but most likely full implementation for 2014 season
FEEDBACK
•Q & A now
or
•Email Questions to:

ncr@footballfedvic.com.au
•Page created on FFV website
•All questions with answers will be posted on this page


Edited by Arthur: 1/8/2012 07:59:47 AM

Edited by Arthur: 1/8/2012 11:00:35 AM
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