Anybody got any experiences and or suggestions/feedback on Sydney Academys please ?
Got a ok 12yr old and wanting to get him to some Academy trails during the off season.
Not sure if I post this in the correct area apoligies if so.

Just recently won the Sydney Cup beating AC Milan Academy in the final 7-0 without AC Milan having a shot on goal ;)

Thanks mate - got reply from ASA sorting through whats suitable and will get the lad in thanks for the heads up.

ASA have placed a number of youth players overseas, with two gaining EPL contracts.

Make sure you get the free set of steak knives with your subscription......I did. :lol:

TONY BASHA (Head coach)
Playing Career. Parramatta Melita Premier League, Fairfield Bulls, Macarthur Rams ,Marine Castle in S.league. Gombak United S.league.
PCYC Parramatta Eagles.
Achievements : Leading goal scorer for Fairfield Bulls in 04. Leading goal scorer PCYC Parramatta Eagles 2007.

[size=9]Hold record for most Goals in one match (12 goals).[/size]
Certificates/ Asian Senior license (Malyasia) SAQ License Speed Agility Fitness. Active after school license (Australian Sports Commision) Dealing with children. NLP Sports Physiology Diploma

Great communicator. Can get the best out of every kid. Very intense trainer and very hard working.

I have a lot of time for the coaching project run by Decentric and his co-coaches as it is free and he outlines clear principles on how to improve technique.

Remember when you outed that Basha guy from ASA when he claimed to play for Gombok before they even existed :lol: :lol: :lol:

From the ASA Website


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Archie Thompson got 13 in a World Cup Qualifier. :lol: :lol:

Seems legit \:d/

if only decentric had put his hand up and admitted to the kids/parents that he possesses no experience whatsoever, then I might be a little more encouraging of his pursuits. But like basher et al he suffers from delusions of grandeur, using smoke, mirrors and blantant bullshit to 'sell' himself to a naive public. Unforgiveable, from any angle.

Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 07:31:48 AM

I accept that private 'academies' flourish here because of an absence of free, merit based academies attached to professional and semi pro clubs. But private coaching organisations do themselves no favours by exaggerating their claims. Inevitably, exaggerated claims raise doubts about other assertions, such as overseas qualifications or the academy's input into improving the players whom they cite as success stories.

The Sydney Youth Cup win is held up on the ASA website as evidence of ASA's quality. The tournament name certainly sounds impressive. But the Sydney Youth Cup website suggests a different story.  ASA entered two teams in the 15/16 age group. There were only three other teams.  In other words, ASA had 40 per cent of the teams in the comp.

ASA also claim one ex-ASA client is 'with the Manchester City shadow squad... training under the watchful eye of Jimmy Petruzzi'. (Petruzzi does not appear to be employed by MCFC and his many exaggerated/untruthful claims were exposed on the forum before). Interestingly, the term 'shadow squad' is not used by MCFC, whose u21s squad is known as the Reserves and whose u18s are known as the Academy. It is impossible to know if the ex-ASA client has any formal association with MCFC, although ASA's websites strongly implies he is. Other ASA players have trialled for MCFC but not been selected. Mere trialling is not evidence of excellence.

I cannot say ASA offers good, bad or indifferent coaching because there is no independent system assessing the relative merits of private coaching organisations. It is possible to say there is little objective evidence to support its claims of excellence. 

I have a lot of time for the coaching project run by Decentric and his co-coaches as it is free and he outlines clear principles on how to improve technique. He is in it for the love of the game. But profit driven coaching organisations are in it for the money.

This is not an attack on ASA per se. Our national coaching system is flawed and is, hopefully, at the start of a long process where children get elite coaching on merit. Until then, check very closely the claims of your local private coaching organisations. 

I must have about 13 years experience now having coached players from aged 8 - 30 of both genders.

Aussiesrus also posted some sound training ground practice, some time ago. Given his significant playing credentials, national rep,and his sound training ground practice

what does he have to gain by promoting ASA

Your coaching, in sanctioned tassie association competition, is limited to one short season, coaching an U11's girl's team no less. Everything else was either in the school playground or as an orange peeler in some micky mouse 5 a side comp.

Now please correct me if I am wrong, old boy. You owe it to your legion of three fans here.


Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 05:04:16 PM

An aussie rep (socceroo?) that is incapable of coaching his own kid? :lol:

All seasons have been as assistant or head coach or TD of teams in sanctioned FFA competitions from the age of under 8 upwards.

The technical and head coaches at ASA are Bronislav (Bruno) Jasiczek (holder of FFA "B" Licence) and Tony Basha (holder of Asian Senior license) both have professional playing careers.

The Sydney Youth Cup win is held up on the ASA website as evidence of ASA's quality. The tournament name certainly sounds impressive. But the Sydney Youth Cup website suggests a different story.  ASA entered two teams in the 15/16 age group. There were only three other teams.  In other words, ASA had 40 per cent of the teams in the comp.

If you know Bruno then you know how temperamental he can be. He did assume the technical coaching roll for rydalmere this year and they won both premier league and reserves title for 2012.

Decentric,

Haven't you figured out yet that the two footballanarchy trolls

Edited by Aussiesrus: 16/8/2012 10:47:32 AM

Certificates/ Asian Senior license (Malyasia) SAQ License Speed Agility Fitness. Active after school license (Australian Sports Commision) Dealing with children. NLP Sports Physiology Diploma

BALLAMODOU CONDE

Playing Career. Singapore armed forces, Aljahar Sport Club, Palau Palang Malaysia, Gombak United, Parramatta Eagles, Wollongong Wolves captain.
Played 17 international caps for his country Guniea.
Certificates Asian Senior License.

Probably one of the best midfielders in the country at his peek, Still in great shape and playing Premier league with wollongong. Just got back from Singapore was player of the season for his club.

FFS. :oops:

You know this is a million miles from the truth.....why do you say these things?

One season, with an U11's girls team, is the sum total of your real world experience.

From the mailroom to the boardroom in 3 picoseconds......impressive.

Decentric,

Haven't you figured out yet that the two footballanarchy trolls are here simply to throw mud and gain a lot of joy from watching you trying to clean it up? Their posts are simply to illicit a response.

For the record I have never wore the green and gold and never claimed as such. I explained this to you before. Unofficial friendlies against another country or state sides does not warrant a national rep tag and in no official way should this claim be made by anyone else either.

Distantfan,

As you appear reasonable I will try to clear up your confusion.

The technical and head coaches at ASA are Bronislav (Bruno) Jasiczek (holder of FFA "B" Licence) and Tony Basha (holder of Asian Senior license) both have professional playing careers. The sub-coaching staff is made up of ex-players both pro and semi-pro in their respective countries. The sub coaches follow the criteria set by the technical and head coach. As for Petruzzi he provides a 3rd party professional service to some EPL clubs. In other words Jim works with the players head space and getting their attitudes right on the path to a semi-pro or pro career if the player wants to follow that path.

Nowhere does ASA ever claim to make a star out of parents kids. They do guarantee however to parents that their kids will improve and learn from attitudes and techniques by coaching and training with the many kids that already play A-league, NSW premier league and NSW super league.

I'm not 100% sure which age group Alusine has been signed to manchester city. Alusine is either 14 or 15 yrs old. The young lad who is attending stoke city is 16 yrs old. So you can conclude they are at academy level with these EPL clubs.

As ASA itself has only been running for about 6 years. The fact ASA has two current A-league players in Kwabena Appiah Kubi (West Sydney Wanderers) and Mitchell Duke (Central Coast Mariners) says ASA is doing something right to support football. Added to this ASA have quite a few current NSW Premier League first graders and U/20's U/18's, U/16's, U/14's etc that also have or currently attend the academy. New kids wishing to make the step up from association football to state league can gain a lot knowledge and improvement from training with these level of players.

Also for the record I never have received nor will I ever receive one cent from ASA. I paid the same as everyone else and provide ASA with hosting and web services at my own cost which is really nothing because I have the spare resources to do so. I have seen what the academy does for kids and how they have improved players and to me this is worth supporting. I also give my time for free to association teams and state league clubs because quite simply I grew up on football, love the sport and enjoy giving back to the sport and do not need a cent as I have my own business which is not football related and doing very well. So I have plenty of free time and a bit of resources to help where needed. ASA also provide free training in their refugee programme and free training to regional areas like mudgee etc. So ASA staff do have to make a living but also give freely of their time and skills. It's not the money grab some would have you think.

As for parents that have played the game and get their kids trained by others this very common. Even Alex Tobin has his kids trained by other coaches. Alex probably does the same I do with my lad and spend many hours down the park giving their lads personal training but the last thing a parent no matter how good wants to do is pass on his own flaws to his kids. This is where we trust professional coaches to assist.

As for posting training techniques and discussions on this forum I use to but the clueless trolls would throw mud and it turned out to be a waste of time. This is also the experience of other coaches like Andy Jackson who tried to give training tips and drills etc on this forum. So simply we stopped wasting our time. I'm sure you contact them privately they can help you out if you request it.

As for shonky academies there are undoubtly plenty around which are giving good academies a bad name. It's my personal experience that ASA is not one of these academies. I also recommend to anyone seeking an academy for their kids to do the homework first and foremost so they do not become one of the dissappointed parents that has pocket pilfered and get nothing in return.

I respect your opinion but you appear to be rather confused between the facts and the trolls throwing mud.

Hope this post helps clear up a few things for you.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 16/8/2012 10:47:32 AM

Eastern Region Junior Association

Kuwait Private Interschool Competition - prematurely ended because of Iraq

New state league club operated a 7 a side competition a few years ago. Managed an adult team that won title.

State rep under 12 competition - title winning with 100percent win rate.

TD of club, second tier, not in Victory League - Tassie state league next year. Club has players from under 7s to adults.

]What I've said is that you have played at national team level. Whether it was against state or country sides, it is the highest level any regular forum/blog participant has played at in this country. The only other is Fabian Incatalupo. It gives you guys a bit more credibility than the rest of us.

Kuwait - school teacher sockah coach

7 a side manager - say no more

Troll.](*,)

All seasons have been as assistant or head coach or TD of teams in sanctioned FFA competitions from the age of under 8 upwards.

I've spent months and months in training courses. Currently I'm in a FFA specific target group for selected coaches to train players at a higher level than club training. I work with the state SAP trainer on a fortnightly basis designing training modules.

Now if your coaching history is scrutinized, because you are keen to discredit others, you have passed no FFA accredited courses in the last 14 years or so.
You have sufferered the ignominy of failing a refresher FFA Youth Licence - a fairly fundamental community coaching course that many people who read this board have passed. So rather than deconstruct training ground methodology that has been posted on this forum, why do you persist to launch personal attacks , when you could demonstrate knowledge by deconstructing football methodology?

My guess is you have been deemed a coach incapable of coaching in a different mode from the past, unable and unwilling to coach in a way to produce contemporary footballers at any level beyond very basic suburban junior coaching.

You are probably very bitter about this. This is why you live a useless existence trolling on the Internet.

Its interesting what a Football Academey can offer a player compared to a Club. In most but not all situations, I have found that the Club enviroment at junior level has been more about tactics and the team. While the Academey has been more technique and the individual.

The Club is more about winning while the Academey was more about self development. And in the current state of affairs in Victoria I think you cannot become a good player without doing both for a lot of reasons that can be associated with the NC.

Clubs train twice a week, which is not enough. Academies offer the one or two nights required to become a better player (especially as we don't street football).

We lack enough qualified and experienced coaches in youth development hence the Academies, while interference by well meaning club administrators has turned coaches away from working too closely with clubs.

Academies have filled the gap during the long junior off season of around six months.

Son on and so on.

My personal preference would be for clubs to actually perform these roles and functions any way. But they do not and until they do for better or worse academies will be around for some time to come.

Excellent and true points Arthur.

The most disappointing thing i find from my local association is they seem to devalue the FFA coaching badges which are handed out like lollies to coaches who should not be in a posiition to handle a child's development therefore academys praying on the ever indulgent parent.

Absolutely.

Like a driver's licence, any dimwit can get one.

Useless piece of plastic that has the potential to turn inexperienced suburban nobodies into foaming-at-the-mouth megalomaniacs.. You might find one or two in this here thread.

Generally though these ".........inexperienced suburban nobodies into foaming-at-the-mouth megalomaniacs.." get found out by the majority fairly quickly.

Not if they opt for the safety of some supposed development role.

Honestly I am not a fan of Academeies but let's face reality here, there is a shortage of quality junior coaches and the Clubs are failing to provide the enviroment to provide consistent adequate coaching for various reasons.

Interestingly this came through the email today:

21st August 2012
Private Academies on the Central Coast.
Central Coast Football (CCF) and the Central Coast Mariners Academy have been made aware of several private academies that are advertising programs for intakes over the next month or so. We have also received calls and emails from some parents asking if their child needs to attend these to be eligible for CCMA in 2013.
We wish to advise that we do not endorse any of these academies and there is NO requirement to attend these prior to trialing for CCMA for 2103. THERE IS NO PREQUIESTE TO ATTEND ANY ACADEMY PRIOR TO TRIALS.
We would also like to point out that when trials commence they may well clash with the dates of these private academies and this cannot be catered for during the CCMA trial process.
If selected as part of the CCMA squads for 2013, the program, in accordance with the national football curriculm, will be quite intense and we believe there will be little time for each player to attend these and therefore wish parents and players to be aware before investing time and money.
While obviously each player and parent is free to attend any private academy we would strongly suggest you look into the full details including insurances and clashes with CCMA trials and training requirements to ensure you are not disappointed.
If you have any further questions please direct these to Donna Slater at the CCF office on (02) 43652900
Darren Sprod
Chairman

Hmmm, community clubs, providing community sporting activities, using the services of volunteer mums and dads (who drew the short straw).....I'd say they are generally doing an immense job catering for the kids who wish to play sockah for fun. Further, I'd generally reckon that most kids are completely happy/fulfilled with whats on offer at their local club. You see, IMHO very few kids are starry eyed eliltists who hold mid or long term views of someday entering the pro ranks.

Totally agree with your sentiments and my roots are from "community clubs". I have found the vast majority of kids want to play with their mates for fun. That's why trialling and grading are such dangerous issues. While the parent coach who gets a bigger kick out of winning at a community club is a danger to himself the kids and the club.
My only beef has been when a kid has been at a "community" club for 5 years and still can't kick a ball. That for me is a disgrace and I have seen a few of them.

While the kids want to play with their mates they also want to learn skills. In fact if you ask the kids at community clubs they too want to learn how to juggle, do an around the world a sombrero etc. etc.

And clubs should be able to provide an enviroment that can teach "tricks" a word the elite consider a dirty word.




But for those kids that do have ambition, along with a degree of natural talent that they and their peers recognise, have always had pathways that funneled them into an evironment where access to substantially better coaching is a given.

Agree some what with you Judy, though usually the ones on the cusp are the ones that seek that external assistance to bridge the gap.

The rise of the private academy has not been driven by demand from juniors, moreover it is largely due to out-of-work uneducated former players (with no other job prospects) trying to cash in on a perceived renewed interest (new dawn) in strayan sockah.

Yeah some fit into that catergory for sure, while as one other "Academey Coach" said to me "...if I coached U12's and after six weeks they are not on top of the ladder I would be sacked. The focus has become all about the journey and not about where we want to end up."

He was inferencing how most "Talented" juniors are focused on making State Futsal & Outdoor teams, skillaroo programs, NTC programs etc. as if this was the quest in itself and not enough thought of where they will end up.


Waltzing onto the scene, talking cliched bollox, chucking about TLA's and presenting sockah as an exact science that only a privileged few apparently understand. And, as nigerian scammers have discovered, naivety in this big brown land is alive and well.....there'll always be a dopey and easily misled bunch who'll give over their hard-earned.


Edited by judy free: 22/8/2012 07:39:33 AM

Yeah some fit into that catergory for sure, while as one other "Academey Coach" said to me "...if I coached U12's and after six weeks they are not on top of the ladder I would be sacked. The focus has become all about the journey and not about where we want to end up."

This is the tricky bit.

How would you judge the effectiveness of a player developer?

When does success on the park (the ability to play v ability to juggle etc) become a pointer to effective coaching?

Or is it OK for player developers to point to their best former student 5 years down the track and take credit?

I'm seriously interested in how you would make player developers accountable for their coaching?

Of course, if a player developer can point to a long and successful past career as a competitive coach then there'd be less reason to cast doubts over their reasons for opting for a safe and unaccountable role in player dev.

This is the tricky bit.

How would you judge the effectiveness of a player developer?

When does success on the park (the ability to play v ability to juggle etc) become a pointer to effective coaching?

Or is it OK for player developers to point to their best former student 5 years down the track and take credit?

I'm seriously interested in how you would make player developers accountable for their coaching?

Of course, if a player developer can point to a long and successful past career as a competitive coach then there'd be less reason to cast doubts over their reasons for opting for a safe and unaccountable role in player dev.

Troll.](*,)

All seasons have been as assistant or head coach or TD of teams in sanctioned FFA competitions from the age of under 8 upwards.

I've spent months and months in training courses. Currently I'm in a FFA specific target group for selected coaches to train players at a higher level than club training. I work with the state SAP trainer on a fortnightly basis designing training modules.

Now if your coaching history is scrutinized, because you are keen to discredit others, you have passed no FFA accredited courses in the last 14 years or so.
You have sufferered the ignominy of failing a refresher FFA Youth Licence - a fairly fundamental community coaching course that many people who read this board have passed. So rather than deconstruct training ground methodology that has been posted on this forum, why do you persist to launch personal attacks , when you could demonstrate knowledge by deconstructing football methodology?

My guess is you have been deemed a coach incapable of coaching in a different mode from the past, unable and unwilling to coach in a way to produce contemporary footballers at any level beyond very basic suburban junior coaching.

You are probably very bitter about this. This is why you live a useless existence trolling on the Internet.

Absolutely.

Like a driver's licence, any dimwit can get one.

Did he really fail the Youth license, holly crap I didnt think you could fail community courses I didnt even turn up on the assessment day and i still passed.
Seriously though whats with this attack so what if his experience comes form coaching u/11s girls side. Just an absolutley stupid and ignorant comment to make.


Edited by tjwhalan: 10/9/2012 07:40:56 PM

This is the tricky bit.

How would you judge the effectiveness of a player developer?

When does success on the park (the ability to play v ability to juggle etc) become a pointer to effective coaching?

Or is it OK for player developers to point to their best former student 5 years down the track and take credit?

I'm seriously interested in how you would make player developers accountable for their coaching?

Of course, if a player developer can point to a long and successful past career as a competitive coach then there'd be less reason to cast doubts over their reasons for opting for a safe and unaccountable role in player dev.

I apologise to those who are fed up of hearing it, but the under 12 team was a rep side.

They played about 19 games over 10 weeks and won the state championship.

Ah mate, how could anyone ever get fed up hearing about how your 1433 girls, with inverted triangles, destroyed hobart's finest. Played like Barca, IIRC. Etched into forum folklore.

But a bit liberal with the truth there old mate. I don't know any coach on the mainland that who count hit and giggle practice games. Five competitive games.....now tell me Im wrong decetric.:cool: