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Saying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless.
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Anyone know if Panos played for Panathinaikos in the Greek Cup?
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+xSaying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless. if you use that methodology and look at every player from the ecl and spl that comes here the spl weirdly looks a lot better than the ecl
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controversial opinion: ECL is WAY overrated and SPL is WAY underated
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+xAnyone know if Panos played for Panathinaikos in the Greek Cup? Doesn't look like he was in the squad. Probably still a long way off.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Geeze, it's being reported Lyden has picked up another long terms injury. I saw someone on twitter say it is a torn thigh. It will probably leave him out for the rest of his Villa contract which I think ends this year. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-midfielder-hit-cruel-15661747.amp
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. If he'd come here and played for CCM he wouldn't be scoring as many goals. I've no doubt that the championship is a stronger competition than the A-league, but the fact that he went from a struggling team to a good team can explain the difference in his form. Agreed... But is he scoring for Sydney because they have better midfielders than he played with last year, or is he scoring for them because the defenders he plays against aren't as good? The main factor is that he moved from a team that was worse than most teams they played against, and therefore struggled to create good chances for him, to a team that is better than most teams they play against, and therefore create good chances for him. It doesn't say much about the objective quality of each league. If he'd been starting for a top Championship team last season he likely would have scored more goals, despite playing against defenders of the same quality. The defenders might be worse here on average, but using ALF's form as a gauge of that is such a messy measurement so as to be practically useless. When Le Fondre WAS playing at a team that dominated the Championship (2011/12 champions) - in his prime - he managed 12 goals in 32 games... 2 years later when they finished 7th of 24 he got 15 in 38. That's his level, at his best... Approx a goal every three games... That's good. Perfectly respectable. The sign of a competent, solid forward. He's scoring a goal a game here. If it was just him, I'd accept that it's a messy way to judge things... But when you look for patterns... Besert Berisha - 21 goals in 90 league games before Australia. 100 goals in 156 games in Australia. Yet to score in Japan. Bruno Fornaroli - 24 goals in 129 league games before Australia. 47 in 66 in Australia. Bobo - 100 goals in 277 league games before Australia. 42 in 57 in Australia. Yet to score back in Turkey. Ross McCormack - 120 goals in 334 Championship games. 15 in 22 in Australia. Oriol Riera - 1 goal in 13 Championship games. 30 goals in 115 Spanish 2nd div games. 19 in 37 in the A-League. Roy O'Donovan - 7 goals in 34 League 2 games. 2 goals in 25 SPL. 0 goals in 25 Championship games... 26 in 43 in the A-League. There's a pattern that runs through the top A-League forwards over the last few seasons. On the flipside... Adam Taggart - 19 goals in 54 A-League games. 0 in 7 in SPL, couldn't get a game at Championship club. 25 in 43 back in A-League. Jamie MacLaren - 40 goals in 53 A-League games. 0 in 7 in Germany. 9 in 27 in Scotland (1 in his last 12 games) Tomi Juric - 3 in 14 Croatian 1st div games (12 more in 24 2nd div games). 12 in 34 in Australia. 4 in 17 in Holland, 15 in 57 in Switzerland.
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+xSaying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless. You miss one crucial element. Ryan, Vukovic and Mooy weren't 'average' A-League players. Ryan was the best keeper in the comp at the time he left. Mooy the best player in the comp at the time he left. Vukovic arguably the best keeper at the time he left... The top player in a competition is not representative of the standard of that competition. If George Blackwood transferred to a top championship side tomorrow and scored 10 in 20 before the end of the season, then there would be an interesting question of the A-League matching the Championship...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. If he'd come here and played for CCM he wouldn't be scoring as many goals. I've no doubt that the championship is a stronger competition than the A-league, but the fact that he went from a struggling team to a good team can explain the difference in his form. Agreed... But is he scoring for Sydney because they have better midfielders than he played with last year, or is he scoring for them because the defenders he plays against aren't as good? The main factor is that he moved from a team that was worse than most teams they played against, and therefore struggled to create good chances for him, to a team that is better than most teams they play against, and therefore create good chances for him. It doesn't say much about the objective quality of each league. If he'd been starting for a top Championship team last season he likely would have scored more goals, despite playing against defenders of the same quality. The defenders might be worse here on average, but using ALF's form as a gauge of that is such a messy measurement so as to be practically useless. When Le Fondre WAS playing at a team that dominated the Championship (2011/12 champions) - in his prime - he managed 12 goals in 32 games... 2 years later when they finished 7th of 24 he got 15 in 38. That's his level, at his best... Approx a goal every three games... That's good. Perfectly respectable. The sign of a competent, solid forward. He's scoring a goal a game here. If it was just him, I'd accept that it's a messy way to judge things... But when you look for patterns... Besert Berisha - 21 goals in 90 league games before Australia. 100 goals in 156 games in Australia. Yet to score in Japan. Bruno Fornaroli - 24 goals in 129 league games before Australia. 47 in 66 in Australia. Bobo - 100 goals in 277 league games before Australia. 42 in 57 in Australia. Yet to score back in Turkey. Ross McCormack - 120 goals in 334 Championship games. 15 in 22 in Australia. Oriol Riera - 1 goal in 13 Championship games. 30 goals in 115 Spanish 2nd div games. 19 in 37 in the A-League. Roy O'Donovan - 7 goals in 34 League 2 games. 2 goals in 25 SPL. 0 goals in 25 Championship games... 26 in 43 in the A-League. There's a pattern that runs through the top A-League forwards over the last few seasons. On the flipside... Adam Taggart - 19 goals in 54 A-League games. 0 in 7 in SPL, couldn't get a game at Championship club. 25 in 43 back in A-League. Jamie MacLaren - 40 goals in 53 A-League games. 0 in 7 in Germany. 9 in 27 in Scotland (1 in his last 12 games) Tomi Juric - 3 in 14 Croatian 1st div games (12 more in 24 2nd div games). 12 in 34 in Australia. 4 in 17 in Holland, 15 in 57 in Switzerland. Good post but you really should evaluate players who came to Australia from these sorts of leagues yet failed to make an impact. There have been plenty. Otherwise your research comes off as a bit selective and agenda driven.
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Kalik has been recalled from loan and is with the hajduk split first team in Turkey f or winter training camp. 31 players on the camp so we will see how he goes https://markopolosport.net/nogometi/nogomet/6796-kalik-opet-hajdukov-lik-anhony-prikljucen-pripremama-prve-momcadi
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+x+xSaying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless. You miss one crucial element. Ryan, Vukovic and Mooy weren't 'average' A-League players. Ryan was the best keeper in the comp at the time he left. Mooy the best player in the comp at the time he left. Vukovic arguably the best keeper at the time he left... The top player in a competition is not representative of the standard of that competition. If George Blackwood transferred to a top championship side tomorrow and scored 10 in 20 before the end of the season, then there would be an interesting question of the A-League matching the Championship... Why are you so determined to prove that the a-league is terrible? What's in it for you? What is the point except to spread negativity and scoff at your adopted country? It just comes across as patronising, petty and mean spirited. It's kind of disgraceful imo. I hate your attitude.
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+x+xSaying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless. You miss one crucial element. Ryan, Vukovic and Mooy weren't 'average' A-League players. Ryan was the best keeper in the comp at the time he left. Mooy the best player in the comp at the time he left. Vukovic arguably the best keeper at the time he left... The top player in a competition is not representative of the standard of that competition. If George Blackwood transferred to a top championship side tomorrow and scored 10 in 20 before the end of the season, then there would be an interesting question of the A-League matching the Championship... Just a couple of corrections. Ryan was not keeper of the year when he left, it was Ante Covic - Ryan went to Brugge 13/14, Covic won it the year Mat left (after 12/13), so no he wasn't the "best" Aaron Mooy never won the Johnny Warren medal during his whole HAL career, an award for the best player, so no, he wasn't the "best" either Is the HAL equivalent to lower Championship. Debatable Is the SPL better than the EPL, definitely not. The point of my post and the ridiculous findings I came to, was to show that the methodology you use is simplistic and flawed and can be used to make an equally valid case either way.
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+x+x+xSaying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless. You miss one crucial element. Ryan, Vukovic and Mooy weren't 'average' A-League players. Ryan was the best keeper in the comp at the time he left. Mooy the best player in the comp at the time he left. Vukovic arguably the best keeper at the time he left... The top player in a competition is not representative of the standard of that competition. If George Blackwood transferred to a top championship side tomorrow and scored 10 in 20 before the end of the season, then there would be an interesting question of the A-League matching the Championship... Just a couple of corrections. Ryan was not keeper of the year when he left, it was Ante Covic - Ryan went to Brugge 13/14, Covic won it the year Mat left (after 12/13), so no he wasn't the "best" Aaron Mooy never won the Johnny Warren medal during his whole HAL career, an award for the best player, so no, he wasn't the "best" either Is the HAL equivalent to lower Championship. Debatable Is the SPL better than the EPL, definitely not. The point of my post and the ridiculous findings I came to, was to show that the methodology you use is simplistic and flawed and can be used to make an equally valid case either way. A 21 yr old keeper of Matty's quality vs a 36 yr old keeper... Medal or not, Ryan was clearly the stand-out option. Covic may have had a better season, but that doesn't make him a better keeper. Mooy failing to win the Johnny Warren medal means little. He was the best player in the competition that season.
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+x+x+xSaying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless. You miss one crucial element. Ryan, Vukovic and Mooy weren't 'average' A-League players. Ryan was the best keeper in the comp at the time he left. Mooy the best player in the comp at the time he left. Vukovic arguably the best keeper at the time he left... The top player in a competition is not representative of the standard of that competition. If George Blackwood transferred to a top championship side tomorrow and scored 10 in 20 before the end of the season, then there would be an interesting question of the A-League matching the Championship... Why are you so determined to prove that the a-league is terrible? What's in it for you? What is the point except to spread negativity and scoff at your adopted country? It just comes across as patronising, petty and mean spirited. It's kind of disgraceful imo. I hate your attitude. It's not about proving the A-League is terrible - the A-League isn't terrible, it's a decent league - I want it to get better. So long as we pretend that its better than it is, it won't get better. What is it about understanding the quality of the league that bothers you? What scares you about it not being as good as you think it is? I've watched FAR worse competitions and enjoyed them - but don't feel the need to suggest they are better than they are. Meanwhile - I've worked with a lot of young players and I can tell you - a lot of them genuinely think that once they are in the A-League they've made it. They buy the line that the standard is very good, and they think it's next stop the Premier League, with the Championship as their fall-back option...
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+x+x+x+xSaying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless. You miss one crucial element. Ryan, Vukovic and Mooy weren't 'average' A-League players. Ryan was the best keeper in the comp at the time he left. Mooy the best player in the comp at the time he left. Vukovic arguably the best keeper at the time he left... The top player in a competition is not representative of the standard of that competition. If George Blackwood transferred to a top championship side tomorrow and scored 10 in 20 before the end of the season, then there would be an interesting question of the A-League matching the Championship... Just a couple of corrections. Ryan was not keeper of the year when he left, it was Ante Covic - Ryan went to Brugge 13/14, Covic won it the year Mat left (after 12/13), so no he wasn't the "best" Aaron Mooy never won the Johnny Warren medal during his whole HAL career, an award for the best player, so no, he wasn't the "best" either Is the HAL equivalent to lower Championship. Debatable Is the SPL better than the EPL, definitely not. The point of my post and the ridiculous findings I came to, was to show that the methodology you use is simplistic and flawed and can be used to make an equally valid case either way. A 21 yr old keeper of Matty's quality vs a 36 yr old keeper... Medal or not, Ryan was clearly the stand-out option. Covic may have had a better season, but that doesn't make him a better keeper. Mooy failing to win the Johnny Warren medal means little. He was the best player in the competition that season. A panel of well qualified experts (without an agenda) watched all games and chose those awards. I will ignore them and take your word for it. Thanks for clearing that up.
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I have been trying to see where aussies are relative to teams winter training. The best news is Borrelo is out on the training pitch. They have a two friendlies vs Mainz tomorrow so it is near guaranteed he will see some minutes if it is deemed he is fit. https://www.instagram.com/p/BsYwN3-h6O1/Theoharous played a full match in a friendly with the U23s. They made 9 changes at the break so the coach must be having a good look at him. Hopefully he will be an U23 regular for the rest of the season. Pasquali is not with the Ajax squad and diddn't even play in a Jong Ajax friendly Monday. His contract is up at the end of the year so he might be looking at moving on. Dylan Ryan is also not with the first team and seems to have dropped a little as he was training regularly with the first team for awhile earlier in the season but now is not included in an extended 24 man training squad Timotheou is back training but I can't quite tell with which team. I scoured Schalke's Instagram to see if he was in any photos and I couldn't see him so my guess he is with the U23's. The firsts have a friendly tonight so that should confirm he is there or not. Waring has a contract for the 2019 season https://www.cerezo.jp/news/2019-01-04-3/Armenakas' signing with Panathinaikos might be delayed as Udinese wants a training fee since he was their youth player. https://panathinaikos24.gr/2019/01/11/315240/giati-kathysterei-i-metagrafi-tou-ston-panathinaiko/
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Genreau/Bouzanis on the bench against Leverkusen Genreau subbed on, 80' Hrustic subbed on against Duisburg. Hit the post.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Folami scored twice for Ipswich U23. He's doing everything required but don't expect Lambert to bring him into the first squad.
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+x+x+x+x+xSaying player X was OK in the Championship, but dominates in the HAL equates to the HAL being inferior to the championship is wrong. If I adopted that methodology, I could "prove" the HAL is equivalent or better than Belgium and the EPL, and the SPL is better than all three leagues. How? - Mat Ryan left a club in the HAL and dominated Belgium and is now arguably a top 10 keeper in the EPL (making appearance in team of the week). When he left, Ryan wasn't even keeper of the year in the HAL - QED HAL > Belgium. HAL => than EPL
- Danny Vukovic transfers from HAL to Belgium and is tearing it up. QED HAL > Belgium
- Mooy can't cut the mustard in a lower table Scottish team. Comes to the HAL and is a very good player. Moves to Championship and gets his team promoted and has an great season in his first year in the EPL QED SPL >HAL. HAL > Championship HAL => EPL
As I said, I DO NOT believe the SPL and HAL are better than either the Belgium League or the EPL. I am merely showing that this methodology is flawed and meaningless. You miss one crucial element. Ryan, Vukovic and Mooy weren't 'average' A-League players. Ryan was the best keeper in the comp at the time he left. Mooy the best player in the comp at the time he left. Vukovic arguably the best keeper at the time he left... The top player in a competition is not representative of the standard of that competition. If George Blackwood transferred to a top championship side tomorrow and scored 10 in 20 before the end of the season, then there would be an interesting question of the A-League matching the Championship... Just a couple of corrections. Ryan was not keeper of the year when he left, it was Ante Covic - Ryan went to Brugge 13/14, Covic won it the year Mat left (after 12/13), so no he wasn't the "best" Aaron Mooy never won the Johnny Warren medal during his whole HAL career, an award for the best player, so no, he wasn't the "best" either Is the HAL equivalent to lower Championship. Debatable Is the SPL better than the EPL, definitely not. The point of my post and the ridiculous findings I came to, was to show that the methodology you use is simplistic and flawed and can be used to make an equally valid case either way. A 21 yr old keeper of Matty's quality vs a 36 yr old keeper... Medal or not, Ryan was clearly the stand-out option. Covic may have had a better season, but that doesn't make him a better keeper. Mooy failing to win the Johnny Warren medal means little. He was the best player in the competition that season. A panel of well qualified experts (without an agenda) watched all games and chose those awards. I will ignore them and take your word for it. Thanks for clearing that up. Alright - we'll take it your way... He was the 2nd best keeper in the league, behind a keeper who had already enjoyed successful spells overseas... He was not 'an average' A-League keeper, and he certainly wasn't a keeper who was no longer wanted by A-League clubs... The point being made remains - players unwanted at Euro clubs come here and do well, whilst the players who leave here and do well are 'amongst' the very best in the league.
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Goal for Susnjar in a friendly
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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+xI have been trying to see where aussies are relative to teams winter training. The best news is Borrelo is out on the training pitch. They have a two friendlies vs Mainz tomorrow so it is near guaranteed he will see some minutes if it is deemed he is fit. https://www.instagram.com/p/BsYwN3-h6O1/Theoharous played a full match in a friendly with the U23s. They made 9 changes at the break so the coach must be having a good look at him. Hopefully he will be an U23 regular for the rest of the season. Pasquali is not with the Ajax squad and diddn't even play in a Jong Ajax friendly Monday. His contract is up at the end of the year so he might be looking at moving on. Dylan Ryan is also not with the first team and seems to have dropped a little as he was training regularly with the first team for awhile earlier in the season but now is not included in an extended 24 man training squad Timotheou is back training but I can't quite tell with which team. I scoured Schalke's Instagram to see if he was in any photos and I couldn't see him so my guess he is with the U23's. The firsts have a friendly tonight so that should confirm he is there or not. Waring has a contract for the 2019 season https://www.cerezo.jp/news/2019-01-04-3/Armenakas' signing with Panathinaikos might be delayed as Udinese wants a training fee since he was their youth player. https://panathinaikos24.gr/2019/01/11/315240/giati-kathysterei-i-metagrafi-tou-ston-panathinaiko/ Probably a bit of a stretch to suggest that borrello will be getting game time just because he's back in training
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Elder starting, Williams bench
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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90 minutes for Elder. 1-0 win, Ipswich's third win of the season. Williams subbed on in the first half 90 for Burgess
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Anybody know something about a 19 year old kid named Kosta Sparta on AFC Wimbeldon's senior list?
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+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. So you want to base a leagues level off one example? La liga players have come here and struggled. Romario wasn't great here ended up going back to flamengo afterwards and had a good goalscoring return. Juninho was good here but not brilliant only played every second game. Lazarides came here and was shit. Kisnorbo was Leeds pots came here only a couple of seasons later and was average. Emerton scored 2 goals against Manchester United the next season was playing averagely for syndey fc. I could go on and on. I stand by bottom my top of championshio bottom of league 1 comparison. Victory atm for instance have 2 guys playing for them that just scored for good nations at the world cup. Troisi was offered a contract at Brighton last season. Deng is quality barbarouses was playing for pannathanaikos and some other quality players. I still remember it was you Benjamin saying mooy wasn't going to make it to prem went he went over to Huddersfield. I believe you underrate the a league big time. I'm not saying the standard is brilliant btw
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. That's not true. He wanted out of his contract to take up an "opportunity of a lifetime" in Australia. He was Bolton's best goalscorer and they're struggling without him. Fans on their forum weren't happy with him leaving at all. But that doesn't suit your narrative. You just can't resist a dig at the a-league and Australian football even if it's as disingenuous as this one. This^
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. If he'd come here and played for CCM he wouldn't be scoring as many goals. I've no doubt that the championship is a stronger competition than the A-league, but the fact that he went from a struggling team to a good team can explain the difference in his form. Agreed... But is he scoring for Sydney because they have better midfielders than he played with last year, or is he scoring for them because the defenders he plays against aren't as good? The main factor is that he moved from a team that was worse than most teams they played against, and therefore struggled to create good chances for him, to a team that is better than most teams they play against, and therefore create good chances for him. It doesn't say much about the objective quality of each league. If he'd been starting for a top Championship team last season he likely would have scored more goals, despite playing against defenders of the same quality. The defenders might be worse here on average, but using ALF's form as a gauge of that is such a messy measurement so as to be practically useless. When Le Fondre WAS playing at a team that dominated the Championship (2011/12 champions) - in his prime - he managed 12 goals in 32 games... 2 years later when they finished 7th of 24 he got 15 in 38. That's his level, at his best... Approx a goal every three games... That's good. Perfectly respectable. The sign of a competent, solid forward. He's scoring a goal a game here. If it was just him, I'd accept that it's a messy way to judge things... But when you look for patterns... Besert Berisha - 21 goals in 90 league games before Australia. 100 goals in 156 games in Australia. Yet to score in Japan. Bruno Fornaroli - 24 goals in 129 league games before Australia. 47 in 66 in Australia. Bobo - 100 goals in 277 league games before Australia. 42 in 57 in Australia. Yet to score back in Turkey. Ross McCormack - 120 goals in 334 Championship games. 15 in 22 in Australia. Oriol Riera - 1 goal in 13 Championship games. 30 goals in 115 Spanish 2nd div games. 19 in 37 in the A-League. Roy O'Donovan - 7 goals in 34 League 2 games. 2 goals in 25 SPL. 0 goals in 25 Championship games... 26 in 43 in the A-League. There's a pattern that runs through the top A-League forwards over the last few seasons. On the flipside... Adam Taggart - 19 goals in 54 A-League games. 0 in 7 in SPL, couldn't get a game at Championship club. 25 in 43 back in A-League. Jamie MacLaren - 40 goals in 53 A-League games. 0 in 7 in Germany. 9 in 27 in Scotland (1 in his last 12 games) Tomi Juric - 3 in 14 Croatian 1st div games (12 more in 24 2nd div games). 12 in 34 in Australia. 4 in 17 in Holland, 15 in 57 in Switzerland. Benjamin.. no one is saying a league is championship quality. We are saying bottom of the champ top of league 1 and that it was Englishmen who have come here have mostly said.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHe’s a winger. Hardly at fault for losing 7-0 to one of the best teams in the world.Nice result for Lyden What's being a winger got to do with a 7 nil loss? The point is he is a mediocre player in a poor team at a poor level. Rotherham is mid A league level Championship > A-League. There's different levels within the championship though. Rotherham are a far cry from Leeds and Middlesbrough. English players and coaches who have come to oz have all consistently said the same thing and that is that the A league is equivalent to the bottom of the championship, top of league 1. Adam Le Fondre played for a relegation battling club (like Rotherham) last season and got 7 goals in 35 games... They released him a year early from his contract as soon as they could find someone to take him off their hands... He comes here and scores a goal a game. If he'd come here and played for CCM he wouldn't be scoring as many goals. I've no doubt that the championship is a stronger competition than the A-league, but the fact that he went from a struggling team to a good team can explain the difference in his form. Agreed... But is he scoring for Sydney because they have better midfielders than he played with last year, or is he scoring for them because the defenders he plays against aren't as good? The main factor is that he moved from a team that was worse than most teams they played against, and therefore struggled to create good chances for him, to a team that is better than most teams they play against, and therefore create good chances for him. It doesn't say much about the objective quality of each league. If he'd been starting for a top Championship team last season he likely would have scored more goals, despite playing against defenders of the same quality. The defenders might be worse here on average, but using ALF's form as a gauge of that is such a messy measurement so as to be practically useless. When Le Fondre WAS playing at a team that dominated the Championship (2011/12 champions) - in his prime - he managed 12 goals in 32 games... 2 years later when they finished 7th of 24 he got 15 in 38. That's his level, at his best... Approx a goal every three games... That's good. Perfectly respectable. The sign of a competent, solid forward. He's scoring a goal a game here. If it was just him, I'd accept that it's a messy way to judge things... But when you look for patterns... Besert Berisha - 21 goals in 90 league games before Australia. 100 goals in 156 games in Australia. Yet to score in Japan. Bruno Fornaroli - 24 goals in 129 league games before Australia. 47 in 66 in Australia. Bobo - 100 goals in 277 league games before Australia. 42 in 57 in Australia. Yet to score back in Turkey. Ross McCormack - 120 goals in 334 Championship games. 15 in 22 in Australia. Oriol Riera - 1 goal in 13 Championship games. 30 goals in 115 Spanish 2nd div games. 19 in 37 in the A-League. Roy O'Donovan - 7 goals in 34 League 2 games. 2 goals in 25 SPL. 0 goals in 25 Championship games... 26 in 43 in the A-League. There's a pattern that runs through the top A-League forwards over the last few seasons. On the flipside... Adam Taggart - 19 goals in 54 A-League games. 0 in 7 in SPL, couldn't get a game at Championship club. 25 in 43 back in A-League. Jamie MacLaren - 40 goals in 53 A-League games. 0 in 7 in Germany. 9 in 27 in Scotland (1 in his last 12 games) Tomi Juric - 3 in 14 Croatian 1st div games (12 more in 24 2nd div games). 12 in 34 in Australia. 4 in 17 in Holland, 15 in 57 in Switzerland. Good post but you really should evaluate players who came to Australia from these sorts of leagues yet failed to make an impact. There have been plenty. Otherwise your research comes off as a bit selective and agenda driven. Precisely
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Lustica scored in a 2-2 draw for Inter Zepresic. The other goal scorer for his side was former Roar and Nix striker Andrija Kalujderovic.
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