Genuinely surprised if he has anything on the table in Europe

Belgium better than eredivisie ? brugge got pumped by united but Psv win at home

He would tear apart the U21s. Would love to see footage.

Marco Monteverde reporting a deal has been done and will be finalised this week.

they followed me on twitter. Must be on the look out for those who follow OS Aussies closely..

Found this on the potential debut of Da Silva and Juric for Roda this week against Feyenoord

http://www.nu.nl/voetbal/4126688/roda-jc-kan-feyenoord-beschikken-silva-en-juric.html

mercenary :lol:

This why they will probably chuck our boys on this weekend.

Phwoar

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Fuck Brighton going to be in EPL next year :lol: Brattan'virtually signing a EPL contact if he sign with Brighton

The curse of adrtho. Brighton going to the EPL as safe as Celtic getting into the ECC.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/9/2015 06:51:30 PM

but Ajex got pumped by everyone :lol: PSV look good last night, big win for them

i don't know what ECC is ? so i can't comment on how safe it is for Celtic

He may indeed move to the Melbourne suburb of Brighton, once the Victory deal comes through.

Edited by paladisious: 16/9/2015 07:40:54 PM

Wilko's playing in the ACL quarters now against Gamba. Currently 1-1.


Gamba 3-2 Jeonbuk. Wilksinson subbed off in the 85th minute, Gamba scored the winner on 90+3'. #NoCoincidence

Edited by playmaker11: 16/9/2015 09:55:34 PM

One of the 442 articles says that a Serie A Primavera side are interested in signing Daniel Arzani while Club Brugge are interested in signing Daniel Maskin. Sydney FC are, apparently, also trying to sign them.

Seriously hope the two go to Italy and Belgium. It's the best thing that can happen to them. They have the chance to progress at the rate of the best European juniors if they go overseas at the end of the year. Otherwise they can stay at Sydney FC until their early 20s like Terry Antonis and just fall behind the rest of the world.

The FFA should be doing everything in its power to facilitate European transfers for these two players and to discourage A-League clubs from getting them (unless the European options fall through).

Not sure if they have European passports, but hopefully there aren't any obstacles in that respect.

Agree with above.

Randers play tonight.

Terry Antonis fall behide the rest of the world? who are you comparing him to?

i hope Daniel Arzani come into A-league....he look far better player then Panos Armenakas

and yoy want FFA to hurt A-league clubs and help Australians leave Australia :lol:

Edited by adrtho: 16/9/2015 10:15:49 PM

What the fuck?

When Terry Antonis was a kid, he was regarded as one of the brightest prospects in the world. I'm not sure by whom and it is fairly arbitrary. But we was still seen as a real talent. Don't get me wrong, he can still end up a great Socceroo. But compare him to other world class players born in '93. He won't rate a mention, at the minute. He stayed in the A-League too long.

You make a good point that it's beneficial for the A-League/Australian football if the best players play in the A-League. I agree it will help the health of the league.

I would agree it would be a problem if the A-League had no talented juniors. But the nuance is this. However much we encourage talented juniors to go to Europe, there will always be a number that stay in Australia. This is because many don't want to leave their friends and family in Australia, many don't want to miss out on the benefit of Australian secondary/tertiary education, many don't have EU passport (and thus find it much tougher to get European contracts), many find Europe a bridge too far culturally. Thus, we'll always have heaps of Australians staying here.

These kind of players will fortify the A-League and Australian football.

But Australian football needs to be strengthened on several levels. The A-League (the NC, the SAP and domestic pathways) are some important areas where it needs to be strong. But that's not enough. At this stage, it's almost impossible for a player to become truly world class (i.e. being an outstanding player in a side playing knock-out stages of European Champion's League) unless they go to Europe young.

We need players who capture the world's attention. That's the best thing for Australian football.

May I ask, adrtho, if you saw the thread asking people how they became fans of Australian football?

A number said it was seeing Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka being absolutely brilliant in the English Premier League that did it for them.

Kewell and Viduka. Those two played a huge part in getting support for Australian football.

We need more players like them. Which means we need more players to go to Europe at a young age.

Imagine if we have Rogic, Ikonomidis, Armenakas, Brimmer, Arzani, Maskin all playing starring roles at big clubs in Italy, England, Germany, Netherlands, etc?

Kids will stay up all night to watch that kind of thing. Kids will imagine themselves being the next Rogic or Ikonomidis.

That's when Australian football will really make big strides.

Daniel Arzani is a very talented player, technically quite strong and for a attacking midfielder he is quite mobile has a different style to Antonis whom Sydney FC are comparing him but they different kind of players.

He likes to roam around the front line looking for space to play a through ball or one two on the edge of the box, also he's quite good on 1v1s.

My only criticism he doesn't score enough goals.

Daniel Maskin i don't know much about, apparently Clivesundies mentioned him he's also quite good on 1v1s and he's a genuine winger.

Lets hope they make the right choices in the careers, potential future Socceroos no doubt!

Edited by Barca4life: 16/9/2015 10:44:28 PM

Barca4Life

Comparing Antonis and Arzani is not intended on the basis of comparing skillsets. It's important to compare what happens when players stay in the A-League to develop compared to when they go to Europe young (not that Arzani is in Europe yet).

In this respect, it wouldn't matter if we were comparing a central defender and a striker. The type of player they are is irrelevant, it's just about how they develop in their respective pathways.

not like the Australian media to go crazy for some youth player far Beyond anyrationale :lol: how many time has there been some Young Aussie player playing in a youth team overseas who is then 2nd coming ? only to never hear of them

look at the talk about Panos Armenakas, Prodigy, genius or already in Australia NT side for 2018 world cup, this is the stuff people write about him on 442...Armenakas was very average (at best) when he played for Under 17 team in USA ..it only 3 games, but that all we really have to go on at this stage


Edited by adrtho: 16/9/2015 11:03:55 PM

out of all the Aussie in the big 5 leagues...how many played in A-league, and how many with youth team in Europe ?

Record of HAL developed AUS players compared to overseas youth developed AUS players currently playing at the highest level doesn't support your argument. Although Arzani and Maskin's generation is touted as one of the most gifted in many years, so I do think they have a better chance of succeeding overseas at a young age than others no matter which development route they take.

Edited by Higashi: 16/9/2015 11:02:06 PM

Kruse injured for another month

Firstly, let's be fair to our fellow 442ers. It's only really me who's deluded enough to hope that Armenakas will be in the Socceroos for Russia 2018 (assuming Australia qualify). The others aren't, usually, as mental or as bold as I am.

Secondly, yes heaps of youngsters who go overseas don't make it. But the best Australian players ever went overseas young. The best players ever developed in Europe/South America. We're yet to reach the point where there's any reasonable chance of a truly world class footballer doing all their development in Australia until their early 20s. Okay, this is partly the fault of erroneous perceptions on the part of European coaches (I don't think you're completely wrong in thinking there are biases in play). But, as things stand, players need to go to Europe young to have a chance at being world class.

Thirdly, I don't think Armenakas was very average in those U17 matches. I don't think he dazzled, but I thought he was solid. And I'm inclined to trust the judgment of his coaches as well. He's worth a go.

Fourthly, if Armenakas doesn't become a huge footballer, the point still stands. Support in Australian football was helped immeasurably by the fact that kids were able to think of Kewell and Viduka as world-beaters (bit of an exaggeration but meh). Australian football needs more players who are world-beaters. So hopefully some of the Joeys get there eventually.

Edited by quickflick: 16/9/2015 11:24:15 PM

Viduka was world class and he developed nearly all of his game in Australia.

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i don't think you were the only one :lol: in fact i can't remember you saying something crazy on Armenakas

solid , average is not Prodigy genius who should be in Australia world cup team for 2018 :lol:

Edited by adrtho: 16/9/2015 11:19:11 PM