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Straight Bat wrote:rusty wrote:u4486662 wrote:Its not as good as our golden generation but its still better than other previous Socceroos generations contrary to popular belief. We have also improved prospects dramatically since the dark ages of 2012 and Holger's hobos. I don't know why you're so optimistic. If you look at our best XI most of our players haven't fully established themselves in Europe yet. Ryan is warming the pine The right back spot is uncertain - perhaps Williams if/when he gets fit Sainsbury is doing OK for Zwolle The other centre back spot is uncertain - perhaps Wright who plays in England's third tier The left back spot is uncertain - Smith looks promising but he's still not cemented in the Liverpool squad Kruse is getting limited minutes Jedinak's position looks shaky and could be transferred Rogic is doing OK at Celtic but still not cemented his spot Milligan is Milligan and will always be a hack Leckie is playing at a high level and consistent Cahill is nearly 100 years old Juric is showing promise at Roda So as you can see other than a few players no one is playing consistently at a high level in Europe. There's plenty of talent in the pipeline but it's always been that way, it's much harder to go from having loads of potential to actually fulfilling it. I think probably in terms of our current depth and spread across the best leagues we are in no stronger position than the Holger period. Careful now, no room for sound logic, blatant truth or a bit of criticism on this Fanboy forum…. [-x Bailey Wright is playing in the Championship btw. His club was promoted.
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roary's mane wrote:Straight Bat wrote:rusty wrote:u4486662 wrote:Its not as good as our golden generation but its still better than other previous Socceroos generations contrary to popular belief. We have also improved prospects dramatically since the dark ages of 2012 and Holger's hobos. I don't know why you're so optimistic. If you look at our best XI most of our players haven't fully established themselves in Europe yet. Ryan is warming the pine The right back spot is uncertain - perhaps Williams if/when he gets fit Sainsbury is doing OK for Zwolle The other centre back spot is uncertain - perhaps Wright who plays in England's third tier The left back spot is uncertain - Smith looks promising but he's still not cemented in the Liverpool squad Kruse is getting limited minutes Jedinak's position looks shaky and could be transferred Rogic is doing OK at Celtic but still not cemented his spot Milligan is Milligan and will always be a hack Leckie is playing at a high level and consistent Cahill is nearly 100 years old Juric is showing promise at Roda So as you can see other than a few players no one is playing consistently at a high level in Europe. There's plenty of talent in the pipeline but it's always been that way, it's much harder to go from having loads of potential to actually fulfilling it. I think probably in terms of our current depth and spread across the best leagues we are in no stronger position than the Holger period. Careful now, no room for sound logic, blatant truth or a bit of criticism on this Fanboy forum…. [-x Bailey Wright is playing in the Championship btw. His club was promoted. and ????
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roary's mane wrote:Straight Bat wrote:rusty wrote:u4486662 wrote:Its not as good as our golden generation but its still better than other previous Socceroos generations contrary to popular belief. We have also improved prospects dramatically since the dark ages of 2012 and Holger's hobos. I don't know why you're so optimistic. If you look at our best XI most of our players haven't fully established themselves in Europe yet. Ryan is warming the pine The right back spot is uncertain - perhaps Williams if/when he gets fit Sainsbury is doing OK for Zwolle The other centre back spot is uncertain - perhaps Wright who plays in England's third tier The left back spot is uncertain - Smith looks promising but he's still not cemented in the Liverpool squad Kruse is getting limited minutes Jedinak's position looks shaky and could be transferred Rogic is doing OK at Celtic but still not cemented his spot Milligan is Milligan and will always be a hack Leckie is playing at a high level and consistent Cahill is nearly 100 years old Juric is showing promise at Roda So as you can see other than a few players no one is playing consistently at a high level in Europe. There's plenty of talent in the pipeline but it's always been that way, it's much harder to go from having loads of potential to actually fulfilling it. I think probably in terms of our current depth and spread across the best leagues we are in no stronger position than the Holger period. Careful now, no room for sound logic, blatant truth or a bit of criticism on this Fanboy forum…. [-x Bailey Wright is playing in the Championship btw. His club was promoted. When you look at the player listed, Ryan, Williams, Sainsbury, Jedinak and Kruse have had injury problems. Add to that Langerak who would probably be starting if he was not injured. Rogic has fortunately overcome his injury problems still seems to be lacking a great base of fitness. Juric is doing well at Roda and DDS is also showing good signs there. Griffiths is getting good time as well.
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Straight Bat wrote:rusty wrote:u4486662 wrote:Its not as good as our golden generation but its still better than other previous Socceroos generations contrary to popular belief. We have also improved prospects dramatically since the dark ages of 2012 and Holger's hobos. I don't know why you're so optimistic. If you look at our best XI most of our players haven't fully established themselves in Europe yet. Ryan is warming the pine The right back spot is uncertain - perhaps Williams if/when he gets fit Sainsbury is doing OK for Zwolle The other centre back spot is uncertain - perhaps Wright who plays in England's third tier The left back spot is uncertain - Smith looks promising but he's still not cemented in the Liverpool squad Kruse is getting limited minutes Jedinak's position looks shaky and could be transferred Rogic is doing OK at Celtic but still not cemented his spot Milligan is Milligan and will always be a hack Leckie is playing at a high level and consistent Cahill is nearly 100 years old Juric is showing promise at Roda So as you can see other than a few players no one is playing consistently at a high level in Europe. There's plenty of talent in the pipeline but it's always been that way, it's much harder to go from having loads of potential to actually fulfilling it. I think probably in terms of our current depth and spread across the best leagues we are in no stronger position than the Holger period. Careful now, no room for sound logic, blatant truth or a bit of criticism on this Fanboy forum…. [-x I agree mostly. It would always be better with more minutes and more players established. We are in a WAY better position than in 2012 when we had very few players in Europe. So we have improved. Most of the current gen coming through are in their early 20s so it will be a few years until they peak. I have said here before that many of our golden gen were playing at a similar level at the same age, which is true. That doesn't mean the current bunch will be world beaters it just means we can't expect more from them at this stage. Some will kick on, some will trail off. The other thing to say, is that in the last 18 months in particular we have seen a large influx of youngsters plying their trade in other smaller Euro leagues like Championship, League one, SPL, Eredivisie, Belgium (not this season yet), Bundesliga 2, Greece, Croatia, Serie B, Denmark etc. This has added considerably to our DEPTH not necessarily overall quality but increased our depth. We have definitely improved since Holger's gen on paper and on the pitch. Edited by u4486662: 5/1/2016 03:50:31 PM
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u4486662 wrote:Straight Bat wrote:rusty wrote:u4486662 wrote:Its not as good as our golden generation but its still better than other previous Socceroos generations contrary to popular belief. We have also improved prospects dramatically since the dark ages of 2012 and Holger's hobos. I don't know why you're so optimistic. If you look at our best XI most of our players haven't fully established themselves in Europe yet. Ryan is warming the pine The right back spot is uncertain - perhaps Williams if/when he gets fit Sainsbury is doing OK for Zwolle The other centre back spot is uncertain - perhaps Wright who plays in England's third tier The left back spot is uncertain - Smith looks promising but he's still not cemented in the Liverpool squad Kruse is getting limited minutes Jedinak's position looks shaky and could be transferred Rogic is doing OK at Celtic but still not cemented his spot Milligan is Milligan and will always be a hack Leckie is playing at a high level and consistent Cahill is nearly 100 years old Juric is showing promise at Roda So as you can see other than a few players no one is playing consistently at a high level in Europe. There's plenty of talent in the pipeline but it's always been that way, it's much harder to go from having loads of potential to actually fulfilling it. I think probably in terms of our current depth and spread across the best leagues we are in no stronger position than the Holger period. Careful now, no room for sound logic, blatant truth or a bit of criticism on this Fanboy forum…. [-x I agree mostly. It would always be better with more minutes and more players established. We are in a WAY better position than in 2012 when we had very few players in Europe. So we have improved. Most of the current gen coming through are in their early 20s so it will be a few years until they peak. I have said here before that many of our golden gen were playing at a similar level at the same age, which is true. That doesn't mean the current bunch will be world beaters it just means we can't expect more from them at this stage. Some will kick on, some will trail off. The other thing to say, is that in the last 18 months in particular we have seen a large influx of youngsters plying their trade in other smaller Euro leagues like Championship, League one, SPL, Eredivisie, Belgium (not this season yet), Bundesliga 2, Greece, Croatia, Serie B, Denmark etc. This has added considerably to our DEPTH not necessarily overall quality but increased our depth. We have definitely improved since Holger's gen on paper and on the pitch. Edited by u4486662: 5/1/2016 03:50:31 PM I think your debate re Holger is better directed at Rusty (or someone else). I'm not really interested in that view point. However, I do thoroughly agree with you that we have far greater presence across the Euro leagues then generations before but what my argument is, is that whilst this may be the case the quality is very much of a low level and that is reflected by a. the clubs/leagues the majority of them find themselves at and b. the amount of game time they are afforded. Even the players that find themselves at the higher end clubs in the top end leagues, such as Jedinak, Ryan and Leckie are nothing overly special and we need to be honest about that. And bear in mind, that’s just 3 players of which just the single one is a walk up start. Comments like the one by The Select Few that “Have like about 6 in the top 5. A fair few in the top 10. Don't understand the negativity” is of course utterly fcuking ridiculous, hence why he is giving this thread a miss for a while.
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anyone know much on Liam Graham? Apparently a RB played youth football in Italy, played 1 serie B game and was capped at u20 level for new zealand? Is he considered part of the lost generation? Born in Melbourne.
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Straight Bat wrote:u4486662 wrote:Weekend wrap:
EPL:
Brad Smith came on in the 61st minute and was lively for Liverpool in its 2-0 away loss to West Ham
Jordan Lyden was not in the Aston Villa squad.
Both Mark Schwarzer and Adam Federici were unused subs for their respective sides in Leicester's 0-0 home draw with Bournemouth. This included a penalty save by Bounremouth's Boruc.
Mile Jedinak started and played 67 mins for Crystal Palace but was unable to stop Chelsea who won 3-0 away from home. All three goals were scored with Jedinak on the pitch.
Championship:
Mass Luongo came on in the 85th minute for QPR in their 2-1 home loss to Hull City.
Shane Lowry was an unused sub for Birmingham in their 2-1 home win over Brentford
Jason Davidson was an unused sub in Huddersfield's rare 2-0 away win over hapless Bolton for whom Luke Brattan was not in the squad.
Tommy Oar came on in the 59th minute as he continues to return following a concussion in Ipswich's 0-0 away draw with Burnley. Ipswich sit just in the play-off position at 6th.
Rhys Williams made his long awaited return to football after his midweek loan to Charlton when he came on in the 79th minute in Charlton's 1-1 home draw with Nottingham Forest.
Bailey Wright started but was subbed at half time in Preston's 2-1 home win over Rotheram United. Neil Kilkenny was an unused sub.
Both Burgess and Taggart were not in the Fulham squad.
English League One:
Ryan Williams was an unused sub in Barnsley's 2-1 home win over Millwall.
Shane Cansdell-Sheriff returned to the starting line-up and played 90 mins in Burton's 1-0 home win over Blackpool. Burton Albion are now top of the league with 4 wins from their past 5.
Chris Herd returned to the starting line-up and played 90 mins and picked up 2 assists in Chesterfield's 7-1 demolition of Shrewsbury town for whom James Wesolowski remains out injured. Liam Graham was not in the Chesterfield squad.
Brad Inman came on in the 60th minute but couldn't help his hapless Crewe from losing 5-0 at home to Coventry for whom Andy Rose has recently signed for from the MLS. Daniel Nizic was not in the squad.
James Meredith played 90 mins in Bradford's 3-0 away loss to Gillingham. Brad Jones has recently transferred from Bradford to Eredivisie side NEC Nijmegen.
Callum Elder remains out injured for Peterborough. They are 6th after a 3-2 away win over fellow play-off hopefuls Sheffield United.
English League Two:
Alex Cisak played 90 mins in Leyton Orient's 2-2 away draw with Stevenage.
La Liga:
Mat Ryan was again an unused sub in Valencia's 2-2 home draw with Real Madrid. He was also on the bench in their mid-week game.
Greek Super League:
Apostolis Giannou played 80 mins and scored 2 goals in Asteras Tripolis 4-0 home win over Panthrakikos. It was his 12th goal of the season.
Kerem Bulut was not in the Iraklis squad that won 3-0 at home to Kalloni. The striker Vellios scored all 3 goals.
PAOK's match was postponed.
Israel:
Ruka played 84 mins in Beitar Jerusalem's 1-0 home win over Bnei Yehuda. He has 6 goals from 15 matches but did not score in this match.
SPL:
In the Dundee derby, Ryan McGowan played 90 mins in Dundee United's 2-1 away loss to Dundee.
Tom Rogic played 64 mins in 10-man Celtic's last minute 1-0 home win over Partick Thistle for whom Ryan Edwards was an unused sub.
Jackson Irvine returned to the starting line-up and played 90 mins in Ross County's 2-0 away loss to Inverness.
Scott McDonald played 90 mins and scored 2 goals in Motherwell's 3-3 home draw against Hamilton Academical. He now has 7 goals for the season. what a sad state of affairs.... in England you have to head down to league One to find an Aussie who actually started and finished a game on the park. And everywhere else isnt much better. Straight Bat, it is a shame you define Australian football by what occurs in England. The criteria that Australian football defines success by is not exactly prevalent or ubiquitous in England. Edited by Decentric: 5/1/2016 04:54:59 PM
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Decentric wrote:Straight Bat wrote:u4486662 wrote:Weekend wrap:
EPL:
Brad Smith came on in the 61st minute and was lively for Liverpool in its 2-0 away loss to West Ham
Jordan Lyden was not in the Aston Villa squad.
Both Mark Schwarzer and Adam Federici were unused subs for their respective sides in Leicester's 0-0 home draw with Bournemouth. This included a penalty save by Bounremouth's Boruc.
Mile Jedinak started and played 67 mins for Crystal Palace but was unable to stop Chelsea who won 3-0 away from home. All three goals were scored with Jedinak on the pitch.
Championship:
Mass Luongo came on in the 85th minute for QPR in their 2-1 home loss to Hull City.
Shane Lowry was an unused sub for Birmingham in their 2-1 home win over Brentford
Jason Davidson was an unused sub in Huddersfield's rare 2-0 away win over hapless Bolton for whom Luke Brattan was not in the squad.
Tommy Oar came on in the 59th minute as he continues to return following a concussion in Ipswich's 0-0 away draw with Burnley. Ipswich sit just in the play-off position at 6th.
Rhys Williams made his long awaited return to football after his midweek loan to Charlton when he came on in the 79th minute in Charlton's 1-1 home draw with Nottingham Forest.
Bailey Wright started but was subbed at half time in Preston's 2-1 home win over Rotheram United. Neil Kilkenny was an unused sub.
Both Burgess and Taggart were not in the Fulham squad.
English League One:
Ryan Williams was an unused sub in Barnsley's 2-1 home win over Millwall.
Shane Cansdell-Sheriff returned to the starting line-up and played 90 mins in Burton's 1-0 home win over Blackpool. Burton Albion are now top of the league with 4 wins from their past 5.
Chris Herd returned to the starting line-up and played 90 mins and picked up 2 assists in Chesterfield's 7-1 demolition of Shrewsbury town for whom James Wesolowski remains out injured. Liam Graham was not in the Chesterfield squad.
Brad Inman came on in the 60th minute but couldn't help his hapless Crewe from losing 5-0 at home to Coventry for whom Andy Rose has recently signed for from the MLS. Daniel Nizic was not in the squad.
James Meredith played 90 mins in Bradford's 3-0 away loss to Gillingham. Brad Jones has recently transferred from Bradford to Eredivisie side NEC Nijmegen.
Callum Elder remains out injured for Peterborough. They are 6th after a 3-2 away win over fellow play-off hopefuls Sheffield United.
English League Two:
Alex Cisak played 90 mins in Leyton Orient's 2-2 away draw with Stevenage.
La Liga:
Mat Ryan was again an unused sub in Valencia's 2-2 home draw with Real Madrid. He was also on the bench in their mid-week game.
Greek Super League:
Apostolis Giannou played 80 mins and scored 2 goals in Asteras Tripolis 4-0 home win over Panthrakikos. It was his 12th goal of the season.
Kerem Bulut was not in the Iraklis squad that won 3-0 at home to Kalloni. The striker Vellios scored all 3 goals.
PAOK's match was postponed.
Israel:
Ruka played 84 mins in Beitar Jerusalem's 1-0 home win over Bnei Yehuda. He has 6 goals from 15 matches but did not score in this match.
SPL:
In the Dundee derby, Ryan McGowan played 90 mins in Dundee United's 2-1 away loss to Dundee.
Tom Rogic played 64 mins in 10-man Celtic's last minute 1-0 home win over Partick Thistle for whom Ryan Edwards was an unused sub.
Jackson Irvine returned to the starting line-up and played 90 mins in Ross County's 2-0 away loss to Inverness.
Scott McDonald played 90 mins and scored 2 goals in Motherwell's 3-3 home draw against Hamilton Academical. He now has 7 goals for the season. what a sad state of affairs.... in England you have to head down to league One to find an Aussie who actually started and finished a game on the park. And everywhere else isnt much better. Straight Bat, it is a shame you define Australian football by what occurs in England. The criteria that Australian football defines success by is not exactly prevalent or ubiquitous in England. Edited by Decentric: 5/1/2016 04:54:59 PM if you look at 2006 Australia squad ...only Mark Bresciano and Harry Kewell are playing at big 4 league at 23 year old...Brett Emerton at Feyenoord whicg was a very good team back then
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jas88 wrote:anyone know much on Liam Graham? Apparently a RB played youth football in Italy, played 1 serie B game and was capped at u20 level for new zealand? Is he considered part of the lost generation? Born in Melbourne.
Edited by jas88: 5/1/2016 04:47:13 PM Bit of info here on his time in England. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/one-time-coventry-city-trialist-10335266
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Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play.
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Decentric wrote:Straight Bat wrote:u4486662 wrote:Weekend wrap:
EPL:
Brad Smith came on in the 61st minute and was lively for Liverpool in its 2-0 away loss to West Ham
Jordan Lyden was not in the Aston Villa squad.
Both Mark Schwarzer and Adam Federici were unused subs for their respective sides in Leicester's 0-0 home draw with Bournemouth. This included a penalty save by Bounremouth's Boruc.
Mile Jedinak started and played 67 mins for Crystal Palace but was unable to stop Chelsea who won 3-0 away from home. All three goals were scored with Jedinak on the pitch.
Championship:
Mass Luongo came on in the 85th minute for QPR in their 2-1 home loss to Hull City.
Shane Lowry was an unused sub for Birmingham in their 2-1 home win over Brentford
Jason Davidson was an unused sub in Huddersfield's rare 2-0 away win over hapless Bolton for whom Luke Brattan was not in the squad.
Tommy Oar came on in the 59th minute as he continues to return following a concussion in Ipswich's 0-0 away draw with Burnley. Ipswich sit just in the play-off position at 6th.
Rhys Williams made his long awaited return to football after his midweek loan to Charlton when he came on in the 79th minute in Charlton's 1-1 home draw with Nottingham Forest.
Bailey Wright started but was subbed at half time in Preston's 2-1 home win over Rotheram United. Neil Kilkenny was an unused sub.
Both Burgess and Taggart were not in the Fulham squad.
English League One:
Ryan Williams was an unused sub in Barnsley's 2-1 home win over Millwall.
Shane Cansdell-Sheriff returned to the starting line-up and played 90 mins in Burton's 1-0 home win over Blackpool. Burton Albion are now top of the league with 4 wins from their past 5.
Chris Herd returned to the starting line-up and played 90 mins and picked up 2 assists in Chesterfield's 7-1 demolition of Shrewsbury town for whom James Wesolowski remains out injured. Liam Graham was not in the Chesterfield squad.
Brad Inman came on in the 60th minute but couldn't help his hapless Crewe from losing 5-0 at home to Coventry for whom Andy Rose has recently signed for from the MLS. Daniel Nizic was not in the squad.
James Meredith played 90 mins in Bradford's 3-0 away loss to Gillingham. Brad Jones has recently transferred from Bradford to Eredivisie side NEC Nijmegen.
Callum Elder remains out injured for Peterborough. They are 6th after a 3-2 away win over fellow play-off hopefuls Sheffield United.
English League Two:
Alex Cisak played 90 mins in Leyton Orient's 2-2 away draw with Stevenage.
La Liga:
Mat Ryan was again an unused sub in Valencia's 2-2 home draw with Real Madrid. He was also on the bench in their mid-week game.
Greek Super League:
Apostolis Giannou played 80 mins and scored 2 goals in Asteras Tripolis 4-0 home win over Panthrakikos. It was his 12th goal of the season.
Kerem Bulut was not in the Iraklis squad that won 3-0 at home to Kalloni. The striker Vellios scored all 3 goals.
PAOK's match was postponed.
Israel:
Ruka played 84 mins in Beitar Jerusalem's 1-0 home win over Bnei Yehuda. He has 6 goals from 15 matches but did not score in this match.
SPL:
In the Dundee derby, Ryan McGowan played 90 mins in Dundee United's 2-1 away loss to Dundee.
Tom Rogic played 64 mins in 10-man Celtic's last minute 1-0 home win over Partick Thistle for whom Ryan Edwards was an unused sub.
Jackson Irvine returned to the starting line-up and played 90 mins in Ross County's 2-0 away loss to Inverness.
Scott McDonald played 90 mins and scored 2 goals in Motherwell's 3-3 home draw against Hamilton Academical. He now has 7 goals for the season. what a sad state of affairs.... in England you have to head down to league One to find an Aussie who actually started and finished a game on the park. And everywhere else isnt much better. Straight Bat, it is a shame you define Australian football by what occurs in England. The criteria that Australian football defines success by is not exactly prevalent or ubiquitous in England. Edited by Decentric: 5/1/2016 04:54:59 PM Can you please highlight where I emphasize or even suggest this. I'll wait here...
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TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops:
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Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;)
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Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: I like it
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Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: :lol: I can almost hear ultimate fanboy The Select Few thinking... you know, he has a point.. :lol:
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Russia 2018 is 2 years and 6 months away. There is no point in arguing about our prospects When it draws closer , then we can start making bold conclusions about player development , club choices, career pathways I think a lot of the guys would just want to be enjoying their football atm, it seems a lot of emphasis is about going to a big team, where I've got no doubt they will just sit on the bench. Because there is a lot of pressure on those teams Seems a club like RODA, Liverpool (Klopp) are a lot better atm and suit our boys just because they are carefree teams looking to play 'freedom' type football. Just bucking the trend that is causing a lot of managers to avert risk and play overly cautiously , negative type football Edited by highkick05: 5/1/2016 06:05:22 PM
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Straight Bat wrote:Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: :lol: I can almost hear ultimate fanboy The Select Few thinking... you know, he has a point.. :lol: Pfft why is if one is starting a measuring stick? Impact players come off the bench.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: :lol: I can almost hear ultimate fanboy The Select Few thinking... you know, he has a point.. :lol: Pfft why is if one is starting a measuring stick? Impact players come off the bench. hahahahahahahaha :lol: :d :d :lol: :lol: :lol: is that the best you could come up with 442 Forum = Fanboy paradise :oops:
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You could even say Ingolstadt is like this also but I think you can't draw conclusions like this because the Bundelsiga has been phenomenal for Australian player development over the years. We have 3 players in the top flight of this league, just injuries have overcome them, and this Country has the best players by far.
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Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: :lol: I can almost hear ultimate fanboy The Select Few thinking... you know, he has a point.. :lol: Pfft why is if one is starting a measuring stick? Impact players come off the bench. hahahahahahahaha :lol: :d :d :lol: :lol: :lol: is that the best you could come up with 442 Forum = Fanboy paradise :oops: how would you suggest improving aussie football
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Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: :lol: I can almost hear ultimate fanboy The Select Few thinking... you know, he has a point.. :lol: Pfft why is if one is starting a measuring stick? Impact players come off the bench. hahahahahahahaha :lol: :d :d :lol: :lol: :lol: is that the best you could come up with 442 Forum = Fanboy paradise :oops: Healthy debate is welcome here but this is not the thread to attack the man instead of the ball. This place is a sanctuary.
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Talking OS Aussies would be helpfull as well
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grazorblade wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: :lol: I can almost hear ultimate fanboy The Select Few thinking... you know, he has a point.. :lol: Pfft why is if one is starting a measuring stick? Impact players come off the bench. hahahahahahahaha :lol: :d :d :lol: :lol: :lol: is that the best you could come up with 442 Forum = Fanboy paradise :oops: how would you suggest improving aussie football I honestly dont know mate. I genuinely believe theres a lot of talented youth in Oz but I just dont believe the A League is the best development option and I dont know why more talented Aussie kids are not getting an opportunity, a real opportunity that is, at top end clubs in Europe. Whilst we're never going to stop the exodus overseas I do believe the FFA or the A League clubs themselves do not do enough to develop, market or promote the NYL. Perhaps, given the lack of achievements by our national youth teams in general, we need to concede that there is a lack of true 'stand out' talent ? Edited by Straight Bat: 5/1/2016 10:26:51 PM
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Straight Bat wrote:grazorblade wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: :lol: I can almost hear ultimate fanboy The Select Few thinking... you know, he has a point.. :lol: Pfft why is if one is starting a measuring stick? Impact players come off the bench. hahahahahahahaha :lol: :d :d :lol: :lol: :lol: is that the best you could come up with 442 Forum = Fanboy paradise :oops: how would you suggest improving aussie football I honestly dont know mate. I genuinely believe theres a lot of talented youth in Oz but I just dont believe the A League is the best development option and I dont know why more talented Aussie kids are not getting an opportunity, a real opportunity that is, at top end clubs in Europe. Whilst we're never going to stop the exodus overseas I do believe the FFA or the A League clubs themselves do not do enough to develop, market or promote the NYL. Perhaps, given the lack of achievements by our national youth teams in general, we need to concede that there is a lack of true 'stand out' talent ? Edited by Straight Bat: 5/1/2016 10:26:51 PM For what its worth I've followed overseas aussies and youth teams for years. On the optimistic side things have gone forward pretty linearly for the past few years. On the downside where we were was dismal and where we are is mediocre although the progress is exciting. Even if we keep improving at the current rate (which is questionable because we might hit walls due to a lack of second division, lack of genuine academies) it could be a decade before we produce youth at the level we need so its tough. Maybe football is just a more competitive sport than us aussies are used to and the production of a golden generation hid this fact slightly? Anyway fingers crossed things continue to improve
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grazorblade wrote:Straight Bat wrote:grazorblade wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: :lol: I can almost hear ultimate fanboy The Select Few thinking... you know, he has a point.. :lol: Pfft why is if one is starting a measuring stick? Impact players come off the bench. hahahahahahahaha :lol: :d :d :lol: :lol: :lol: is that the best you could come up with 442 Forum = Fanboy paradise :oops: how would you suggest improving aussie football I honestly dont know mate. I genuinely believe theres a lot of talented youth in Oz but I just dont believe the A League is the best development option and I dont know why more talented Aussie kids are not getting an opportunity, a real opportunity that is, at top end clubs in Europe. Whilst we're never going to stop the exodus overseas I do believe the FFA or the A League clubs themselves do not do enough to develop, market or promote the NYL. Perhaps, given the lack of achievements by our national youth teams in general, we need to concede that there is a lack of true 'stand out' talent ? Edited by Straight Bat: 5/1/2016 10:26:51 PM For what its worth I've followed overseas aussies and youth teams for years. On the optimistic side things have gone forward pretty linearly for the past few years. On the downside where we were was dismal and where we are is mediocre although the progress is exciting. Even if we keep improving at the current rate (which is questionable because we might hit walls due to a lack of second division, lack of genuine academies) it could be a decade before we produce youth at the level we need so its tough. Maybe football is just a more competitive sport than us aussies are used to and the production of a golden generation hid this fact slightly? Anyway fingers crossed things continue to improve I think your last para sums it up very well. The other problem is that the youth leagues and academies in Europe have developed to a point whereby they really are at an elite level and only the very best talent is taken. I watched a televised Primavera game in Italy and an Academy game in England last August and the comparison to what I have watched in the NYL was akin to chalk and cheese. Not saying talented Aussies cannot strive for these levels as there are Aussies currently in Academies over there now...just saying its odd these kids really dont go on and make a mark as did the likes of Bozza, Harry and even Craig Johnston and Tony Dorigo (ask your dad kids) before them..
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Straight Bat wrote:grazorblade wrote:Straight Bat wrote:grazorblade wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Kamaryn wrote:Straight Bat wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Iraklis play Veria in the Greece Cup tonight. Bulut should play. how are those "like 6 Aussies playing in the top 5 leagues" going there champ... :oops: :oops: There's almost a hundred Aussies starting in the A-League and it probably ranks 5th behind the big 4 ;) :lol: :lol: I can almost hear ultimate fanboy The Select Few thinking... you know, he has a point.. :lol: Pfft why is if one is starting a measuring stick? Impact players come off the bench. hahahahahahahaha :lol: :d :d :lol: :lol: :lol: is that the best you could come up with 442 Forum = Fanboy paradise :oops: how would you suggest improving aussie football I honestly dont know mate. I genuinely believe theres a lot of talented youth in Oz but I just dont believe the A League is the best development option and I dont know why more talented Aussie kids are not getting an opportunity, a real opportunity that is, at top end clubs in Europe. Whilst we're never going to stop the exodus overseas I do believe the FFA or the A League clubs themselves do not do enough to develop, market or promote the NYL. Perhaps, given the lack of achievements by our national youth teams in general, we need to concede that there is a lack of true 'stand out' talent ? Edited by Straight Bat: 5/1/2016 10:26:51 PM For what its worth I've followed overseas aussies and youth teams for years. On the optimistic side things have gone forward pretty linearly for the past few years. On the downside where we were was dismal and where we are is mediocre although the progress is exciting. Even if we keep improving at the current rate (which is questionable because we might hit walls due to a lack of second division, lack of genuine academies) it could be a decade before we produce youth at the level we need so its tough. Maybe football is just a more competitive sport than us aussies are used to and the production of a golden generation hid this fact slightly? Anyway fingers crossed things continue to improve I think your last para sums it up very well. The other problem is that the youth leagues and academies in Europe have developed to a point whereby they really are at an elite level and only the very best talent is taken. I watched a televised Primavera game in Italy and an Academy game in England last August and the comparison to what I have watched in the NYL was akin to chalk and cheese. Not saying talented Aussies cannot strive for these levels as there are Aussies currently in Academies over there now...just saying its odd these kids really dont go on and make a mark as did the likes of Bozza, Harry and even Craig Johnston and Tony Dorigo (ask your dad kids) before them.. when I have seen ikonimides play in the italian youth leagues the standard wasn't that much lower than a league =d> . Unfortunately I haven't seen a nyl game due to lack of access. Mind you I recently saw a premier league match from 15 years or so ago and it wasn't that much higher in quality than the a league is now. Somehow the quality of the top euro leagues has gone through the roof over the last couple of decades.
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