The Aussies Abroad Thread


The Aussies Abroad Thread

Author
Message
Ds98
Ds98
Pro
Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.1K, Visits: 0
scott21 wrote:
Quote:
The most unfortunate player to have ever pulled on a Newcastle United training bib?
One defender is likely to be on the retained list, despite managing just ninety minutes for the club.


11 hours ago by Craig Dobson

Will Curtis ever come Good?

This summer, we are expected to wave a belated goodbye to a number of players who have overstayed their welcome at St. James Park (and, in some cases, were never particularly welcome to begin with). The departures of Fabricio Coloccini (hopefully) and Steven Taylor (out of contract) will be long overdue, reducing our centre-half contingent to just three.

As United look to clear the decks before returning to the Championship, one defender is likely to be on the retained list, despite managing just ninety minutes for the club.

Curtis Good may be the least fit or most unfortunate player to have donned a Newcastle United training bib in recent years. Arriving at Darsley Park after a successful trial, big things were expected of the 19-year-old. So much so in fact, that United handed the teenager a six year deal worth £5,000 a week.

Curtis was a frequent starter with Melbourne Heart in the A-League, and it was clearly hoped that after a couple of years with the development squad, he would be doing the same in England’s top flight. Nobody: not the physios, fitness coaches or the player himself, could have foreseen what would follow.

The omens looked good for Curtis after a successful spell at Bradford City, where he helped the Bantams reach the League Cup final (though he was subbed halfway through the 5-0 drubbing at the hands of Swansea City). But when he returned to the North East, the injury problems kicked in.

An assured first-team debut in the League Cup win over Morecambe was followed up with a succession of hamstring, groin and knee injuries. At the time, the centre-half was deemed unlucky.

When a knock on his international debut brought about a premature end to another promising loan stint, this time at Dundee United, the Australian started to look injury-prone.

Now in 2016, the young defender – though not so young at 23 – seems definitively cursed.

That hip injury sustained in a friendly against Ecuador has ultimately sidelined Good for the best part of two long, painful, frustrating years.

In that time, United have suffered too. A lack of quality centre-halves was just one of the problems that plagued the doomed side as they slipped into the Championship.

At the close of play, 24-year-old Paul Dummett – not averse to injury himself – had managed to make 19 appearances. Jamaal Lascelles, Good’s junior by four months, had turned out 18 times. And Chancel Mbemba, the youngest of the lot, made more league appearances than any other defender.

All the while, Good was either on the treatment table or working his way back to some relative state of fitness. His recovery on the pitch could be just as gruelling. He was part of the under-21 side which shipped three first-half goals against Arsenal, West Ham United and Swansea City; on all three occasions he did not return to the field for the second half. Crocked once again soon after, Curtis missed the rest of the development squad’s dismal campaign.

The latest addition to the Aussie’s personal anthology of injuries could be looked at two ways. On one hand, it was not a recurrence of the hip problem which effectively wrote off two years of his career. On the other, it suggests that the defender’s bad luck does not exclusively reside around his pelvic area.

Regardless of whether Curtis Good can recapture the form and fitness which made him worth the gamble in 2012, United will be drafting in defensive reinforcements. Were it not for injuries, he might well have progressed in the same fashion as Dummett and Lascelles, and could have been a useful asset in the second tier.

Perhaps he still could. The talented stopper has another two years to run on his contract and will get the benefit of a summer’s rest and a full pre-season under his belt.

However, at 23 years old, time is running out for Curtis Good to make good on his teenage promise.


http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/05/unfortunate-player-ever-pulled-newcastle-united-training-bib-curtis-good/


So true!!
Edited
9 Years Ago by Ds98
adrtho
adrtho
World Class
World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 5.9K, Visits: 0
Rostyn Griffiths, what team is he headed to?
Edited
9 Years Ago by adrtho
Ds98
Ds98
Pro
Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.1K, Visits: 0
adrtho wrote:
Rostyn Griffiths, what team is he headed to?


Can see him in the Eerstedivisie next season, that's an assumption of not performing well enough in the eredivisie, however if not, probs headed back to the A-League, or China...

Edited by ds98: 25/5/2016 07:02:46 PM
Edited
9 Years Ago by Ds98
Toffees_or_Roar
Toffees_or_Roar
Semi-Pro
Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 1.5K, Visits: 0
Ds98 wrote:
scott21 wrote:
Quote:
The most unfortunate player to have ever pulled on a Newcastle United training bib?
One defender is likely to be on the retained list, despite managing just ninety minutes for the club.


11 hours ago by Craig Dobson

Will Curtis ever come Good?

This summer, we are expected to wave a belated goodbye to a number of players who have overstayed their welcome at St. James Park (and, in some cases, were never particularly welcome to begin with). The departures of Fabricio Coloccini (hopefully) and Steven Taylor (out of contract) will be long overdue, reducing our centre-half contingent to just three.

As United look to clear the decks before returning to the Championship, one defender is likely to be on the retained list, despite managing just ninety minutes for the club.

Curtis Good may be the least fit or most unfortunate player to have donned a Newcastle United training bib in recent years. Arriving at Darsley Park after a successful trial, big things were expected of the 19-year-old. So much so in fact, that United handed the teenager a six year deal worth £5,000 a week.

Curtis was a frequent starter with Melbourne Heart in the A-League, and it was clearly hoped that after a couple of years with the development squad, he would be doing the same in England’s top flight. Nobody: not the physios, fitness coaches or the player himself, could have foreseen what would follow.

The omens looked good for Curtis after a successful spell at Bradford City, where he helped the Bantams reach the League Cup final (though he was subbed halfway through the 5-0 drubbing at the hands of Swansea City). But when he returned to the North East, the injury problems kicked in.

An assured first-team debut in the League Cup win over Morecambe was followed up with a succession of hamstring, groin and knee injuries. At the time, the centre-half was deemed unlucky.

When a knock on his international debut brought about a premature end to another promising loan stint, this time at Dundee United, the Australian started to look injury-prone.

Now in 2016, the young defender – though not so young at 23 – seems definitively cursed.

That hip injury sustained in a friendly against Ecuador has ultimately sidelined Good for the best part of two long, painful, frustrating years.

In that time, United have suffered too. A lack of quality centre-halves was just one of the problems that plagued the doomed side as they slipped into the Championship.

At the close of play, 24-year-old Paul Dummett – not averse to injury himself – had managed to make 19 appearances. Jamaal Lascelles, Good’s junior by four months, had turned out 18 times. And Chancel Mbemba, the youngest of the lot, made more league appearances than any other defender.

All the while, Good was either on the treatment table or working his way back to some relative state of fitness. His recovery on the pitch could be just as gruelling. He was part of the under-21 side which shipped three first-half goals against Arsenal, West Ham United and Swansea City; on all three occasions he did not return to the field for the second half. Crocked once again soon after, Curtis missed the rest of the development squad’s dismal campaign.

The latest addition to the Aussie’s personal anthology of injuries could be looked at two ways. On one hand, it was not a recurrence of the hip problem which effectively wrote off two years of his career. On the other, it suggests that the defender’s bad luck does not exclusively reside around his pelvic area.

Regardless of whether Curtis Good can recapture the form and fitness which made him worth the gamble in 2012, United will be drafting in defensive reinforcements. Were it not for injuries, he might well have progressed in the same fashion as Dummett and Lascelles, and could have been a useful asset in the second tier.

Perhaps he still could. The talented stopper has another two years to run on his contract and will get the benefit of a summer’s rest and a full pre-season under his belt.

However, at 23 years old, time is running out for Curtis Good to make good on his teenage promise.


http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/05/unfortunate-player-ever-pulled-newcastle-united-training-bib-curtis-good/


So true!!
a familiar story for aussies abroad..
Edited
9 Years Ago by Toffees_or_Roar
adrtho
adrtho
World Class
World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 5.9K, Visits: 0
Ds98 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Rostyn Griffiths, what team is he headed to?


Can see him in the Eerstedivisie next season, that's an assumption of not performing well enough in the eredivisie, however if not, probs headed back to the A-League, or China...

Edited by ds98: 25/5/2016 07:02:46 PM


he was Roda top 3 players in 1st half of season...coach was losing, so he made change to look like he knew what he was doing

why the fuck would he go to Eerste divisie? be paid €2000 euros a month :lol:



Edited by adrtho: 25/5/2016 07:42:04 PM
Edited
9 Years Ago by adrtho
Ds98
Ds98
Pro
Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.1K, Visits: 0
adrtho wrote:
Ds98 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Rostyn Griffiths, what team is he headed to?


Can see him in the Eerstedivisie next season, that's an assumption of not performing well enough in the eredivisie, however if not, probs headed back to the A-League, or China...

Edited by ds98: 25/5/2016 07:02:46 PM


he was Roda top 3 players in 1st half of season...coach was losing, so he made change to look like he knew what he was doing

why the fuck would he go to Eerste divisie? be paid €2000 euros a month :lol:



Edited by adrtho: 25/5/2016 07:42:04 PM


mate, I offered an answer to your question :lol: don't have a go at me!

"why the fuck would he go to the eerste divisie"?

I dunno. you tell me. Why would he go to another Eredivisie club? warm the pine there?
Edited
9 Years Ago by Ds98
adrtho
adrtho
World Class
World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 5.9K, Visits: 0
Ds98 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Ds98 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Rostyn Griffiths, what team is he headed to?


Can see him in the Eerstedivisie next season, that's an assumption of not performing well enough in the eredivisie, however if not, probs headed back to the A-League, or China...

Edited by ds98: 25/5/2016 07:02:46 PM


he was Roda top 3 players in 1st half of season...coach was losing, so he made change to look like he knew what he was doing

why the fuck would he go to Eerste divisie? be paid €2000 euros a month :lol:



Edited by adrtho: 25/5/2016 07:42:04 PM


mate, I offered an answer to your question :lol: don't have a go at me!

"why the fuck would he go to the eerste divisie"?

I dunno. you tell me. Why would he go to another Eredivisie club? warm the pine there?


it not a answer , it's your feelings :p


Edited
9 Years Ago by adrtho
Ds98
Ds98
Pro
Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)Pro (2.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.1K, Visits: 0
adrtho wrote:
Ds98 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Ds98 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Rostyn Griffiths, what team is he headed to?


Can see him in the Eerstedivisie next season, that's an assumption of not performing well enough in the eredivisie, however if not, probs headed back to the A-League, or China...

Edited by ds98: 25/5/2016 07:02:46 PM


he was Roda top 3 players in 1st half of season...coach was losing, so he made change to look like he knew what he was doing

why the fuck would he go to Eerste divisie? be paid €2000 euros a month :lol:



Edited by adrtho: 25/5/2016 07:42:04 PM


mate, I offered an answer to your question :lol: don't have a go at me!

"why the fuck would he go to the eerste divisie"?

I dunno. you tell me. Why would he go to another Eredivisie club? warm the pine there?


it not a answer , it's your feelings :p



lol... get fucked... come back (preferably not) when you learn to communicate to others in a manner that everyone not in Azerbaijan can actually fathom.

back on topic, does anyone think that James Demetriou will get another chance at senior football in England? or is he best suited to come back to Aus?
Edited
9 Years Ago by Ds98
TheSelectFew
TheSelectFew
Legend
Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)Legend (30K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 30K, Visits: 0
Yes. Lets move on again from a tardtho rant.

I don't think so but I was wrong about Smith so you never know.


Edited
9 Years Ago by TheSelectFew
adrtho
adrtho
World Class
World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)World Class (6K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 5.9K, Visits: 0
Ds98 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Ds98 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Ds98 wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Rostyn Griffiths, what team is he headed to?


Can see him in the Eerstedivisie next season, that's an assumption of not performing well enough in the eredivisie, however if not, probs headed back to the A-League, or China...

Edited by ds98: 25/5/2016 07:02:46 PM


he was Roda top 3 players in 1st half of season...coach was losing, so he made change to look like he knew what he was doing

why the fuck would he go to Eerste divisie? be paid €2000 euros a month :lol:



Edited by adrtho: 25/5/2016 07:42:04 PM


mate, I offered an answer to your question :lol: don't have a go at me!

"why the fuck would he go to the eerste divisie"?

I dunno. you tell me. Why would he go to another Eredivisie club? warm the pine there?


it not a answer , it's your feelings :p



lol... get fucked... come back (preferably not) when you learn to communicate to others in a manner that everyone not in Azerbaijan can actually fathom.

back on topic, does anyone think that James Demetriou will get another chance at senior football in England? or is he best suited to come back to Aus?


Scottish PL , Azerbaijan PL about the same thing

he should come back to Australia and play NPL , get some senior football
Edited
9 Years Ago by adrtho
Jeff
Jeff
Amateur
Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)Amateur (608 reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 573, Visits: 0
90 minutes for Gersbach in the Cup.
Edited
9 Years Ago by Jeff
jlm8695
jlm8695
Legend
Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)

Group: Banned Members
Posts: 19K, Visits: 0


Looks like Liverpool really want a new LB. How long is Smith contracted for? Hopefully he is allowed to leave on loan next season.

Edited by jlm8695: 26/5/2016 08:50:59 AM
Edited
9 Years Ago by jlm8695
walnuts
walnuts
Legend
Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 10K, Visits: 0
jlm8695 wrote:


Looks like Liverpool really want a new LB. How long is Smith contracted for? Hopefully he is allowed to leave on loan next season.


Lame - I think a transfer would be better than a loan in my opinion, it's clear he's no more than a squaddie at Liverpool, when he needs to be a key first team player for his career progression. I think he's good enough to go to midtable clubs in the big leagues (England, Germany, Spain, Italy etc) so he just needs to find a club willing to invest in him.
Edited
9 Years Ago by walnuts
Toffees_or_Roar
Toffees_or_Roar
Semi-Pro
Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)Semi-Pro (1.6K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 1.5K, Visits: 0
Jeff wrote:
90 minutes for Gersbach in the Cup.
nice

on Smith: a good showing on Saturday morning should surely help his chances of getting a decent move. i wonder if rogers would require his services at Celtic given their history together? (i am not familiar with the celtics squad or if they need a left back.) surely one for the promoted EPL clubs would be interested if he is off contract ? (

Just checked according to Transfer Market he is contracted until 2019 :( that might make it harder for him to get a transfer, some one will need to have the cash. )




Edited by toffee's_or_roar: 26/5/2016 09:19:40 AM
Edited
9 Years Ago by Toffees_or_Roar
jlm8695
jlm8695
Legend
Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)

Group: Banned Members
Posts: 19K, Visits: 0
Celtic have Tierny who played the majority of their games at LB last season according to Transfermarkt, and is only 19 (and Scottish). I assume that Izaaguire is their back up now. Melbourne_Terrace might be able to tell us more about their LB stocks.
Edited
9 Years Ago by jlm8695
BETHFC
BETHFC
World Class
World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.2K, Visits: 0
walnuts wrote:
jlm8695 wrote:


Looks like Liverpool really want a new LB. How long is Smith contracted for? Hopefully he is allowed to leave on loan next season.


Lame - I think a transfer would be better than a loan in my opinion, it's clear he's no more than a squaddie at Liverpool, when he needs to be a key first team player for his career progression. I think he's good enough to go to midtable clubs in the big leagues (England, Germany, Spain, Italy etc) so he just needs to find a club willing to invest in him.


Championship player.

Few good passes/crosses. A lot of shit, mistimed tackles. I know he's Aussie but I think his career will benefit from a starting role in the Championship.
Edited
9 Years Ago by BETHFC
azzaMVFC
azzaMVFC
World Class
World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)World Class (6.5K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 6.3K, Visits: 0
jlm8695 wrote:
Celtic have Tierny who played the majority of their games at LB last season according to Transfermarkt, and is only 19 (and Scottish). I assume that Izaaguire is their back up now. Melbourne_Terrace might be able to tell us more about their LB stocks.


Izaguire has played his last game for the club. Tierney is a fantastic young player, wouldn't be surprised if bigger English clubs come knocking for him.
Edited
9 Years Ago by azzaMVFC
grazorblade
grazorblade
Legend
Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 19K, Visits: 0
I don't think I have seen a player improve for the national team playing in the championship in the last 7 years
Also the championship seems particularly bad for injuries.
This is probably going to draw some hate but it is probably better to play u21s in the epl than the championship
Edited
9 Years Ago by grazorblade
BETHFC
BETHFC
World Class
World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.2K, Visits: 0
grazorblade wrote:
I don't think I have seen a player improve for the national team playing in the championship in the last 7 years
Also the championship seems particularly bad for injuries.
This is probably going to draw some hate but it is probably better to play u21s in the epl than the championship


Eh, not everyone thinks the same. I just feel that even at a lower level EPL club, Smith isn't guaranteed to be a permanent starter. I think he's pretty good but would be much better with a full season of games under his belt hence the mention of the championship.
Edited
9 Years Ago by BETHFC
grazorblade
grazorblade
Legend
Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 19K, Visits: 0
the amazing thing about the ecl is how players actually go backwards when playing there making a mockery of the adage that game time always improves you as a player

luongo has lost a bit of his flair
jedi was a nightmare when he played there giving away a key pen and a red card in wc qualifiers due to his thuggish style. He hasn't done that while playing in turkey or epl
davidson's ability to link with players around him has actually gone backwards
nick carle lost all his flair and came back to australia a shadow of the player on the ball but slightly more busy in defense (if not a little thuggish). Granted he spent time on the bench due to danns taking his spot but he also had an extended run. I know its a stereotype but I picture an english gaffer looking at his flair and saying "cut that fancy crap out"
rhys williams has been injured nonstop. Might have been injured in any league but it does fit the stereotype of the league being rough and having too many fixtures and a terrible place for a technical player like rhys
taggart couldn't get off the bench - may have happened in any league but I would put money on him playing for an equally good eredivisie or belgium league at least a little
wright so far has looked about the same for the national team as when he played in league 1
oar struggled to get off the bench despite doing very well in the eredivisie an equal or higher league
has there been any aussie player that has gone to the ecl in recent years and improved?

Edited by grazorblade: 26/5/2016 10:54:13 AM
Edited
9 Years Ago by grazorblade
BETHFC
BETHFC
World Class
World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.2K, Visits: 0
grazorblade wrote:
the amazing thing about the ecl is how players actually go backwards when playing there making a mockery of the adage that game time always improves you as a player

luongo has lost a bit of his flair
jedi was a nightmare when he played there giving away a key pen and a red card in wc qualifiers due to his thuggish style. He hasn't done that while playing in turkey or epl
davidson's ability to link with players around him has actually gone backwards
nick carle lost all his flair and came back to australia a shadow of the player on the ball but slightly more busy in defense (if not a little thuggish). Granted he spent time on the bench due to danns taking his spot but he also had an extended run. I know its a stereotype but I picture an english gaffer looking at his flair and saying "cut that fancy crap out"
rhys williams has been injured nonstop. Might have been injured in any league but it does fit the stereotype of the league being rough and having too many fixtures and a terrible place for a technical player like rhys
taggart couldn't get off the bench - may have happened in any league but I would put money on him playing for an equally good eredivisie or belgium league at least a little
wright so far has looked about the same for the national team as when he played in league 1
oar struggled to get off the bench despite doing very well in the eredivisie an equal or higher league
has there been any aussie player that has gone to the ecl in recent years and improved?

Edited by grazorblade: 26/5/2016 10:54:13 AM


Maybe it's something to do with Aussie players not being able to cope with the physicality? A more physical league doesn't make it worse.

In saying that when you're a left back, what do you need flair for? I think he needs 90 mins twice a week to get better at timing his tackles and to generally raise the standard of his play.

How many young English players get loaned to the Championship and then go well at EPL level?
Edited
9 Years Ago by BETHFC
grazorblade
grazorblade
Legend
Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 19K, Visits: 0
"A physical league doesn't make it worse"
sure but I think our goal should be to get the best possible roos team so the better question is not the quality of the league but the effect it has on the international and future club performance of the players

"How many young English players get loaned to the Championship and then go well at EPL level? "

good question not sure. Local players of course always have an advantage as foreign players so it would be interesting to ask how many german, belgium french etc players get loaned to the ecl and do well in the epl (and how many bomb)

Davidson as a left back has regressed in his ability to link with other players in the ecl compared to the eredivisie so it still effected him

it should also be said that players that go to league 1 for us have often improved
Edited
9 Years Ago by grazorblade
moofa
moofa
Pro
Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)Pro (4.5K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 4.4K, Visits: 0
Diego Alves has come out and said he is open to talks about leaving Valencia. Not much but players who are staying don't usually come out with statements like this

Quote:
Thus, in an extensive interview with Goal.com portal, the goal -concentrado with his selection for the America's Cup announced to the rumors that place him in a hypothetical exit ramp: "If there is any possibility (leaving the club) sit down to talk without any problem. I know the club has to restructure now and renew the template. they also have to cut costs after all the signings last year. If it is an option for the club, we'll sit down and talk to see what it is best for me and the club. Right now I have five-year contract with Valencia and have demonstrated my value multiple times. No I have to prove anything to anyone. so all I will continue my work with all the pleasure of the world ".


http://valencia.eldesmarque.com/valencia-cf/noticias/13990-las-confesiones-de-diego-alves-desde-brasil
Edited
9 Years Ago by moofa
BETHFC
BETHFC
World Class
World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.2K, Visits: 0
grazorblade wrote:
"A physical league doesn't make it worse"
sure but I think our goal should be to get the best possible roos team so the better question is not the quality of the league but the effect it has on the international and future club performance of the players

"How many young English players get loaned to the Championship and then go well at EPL level? "

good question not sure. Local players of course always have an advantage as foreign players so it would be interesting to ask how many german, belgium french etc players get loaned to the ecl and do well in the epl (and how many bomb)

Davidson as a left back has regressed in his ability to link with other players in the ecl compared to the eredivisie so it still effected him

it should also be said that players that go to league 1 for us have often improved


Our goal has to be having players getting experience at the highest possible level and actually playing. I'd rather have a player in the Roos team who plays 90 mins a week in Championship/League 1 than an EPL player who plays once a month as a sub. People always make the argument about training with EPL players but training and games are quite different in my opinion.

Do you watch much ECL?

Edited
9 Years Ago by BETHFC
jlm8695
jlm8695
Legend
Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)Legend (19K reputation)

Group: Banned Members
Posts: 19K, Visits: 0
Quote:
luongo has lost a bit of his flair


I'd put this down to going up a division, he was never going to find it as easy as League One. Still seems the same player for the Roos so far.
Quote:
edi was a nightmare when he played there giving away a key pen and a red card in wc qualifiers due to his thuggish style. He hasn't done that while playing in turkey or epl

Didn't see Jedi in Turkey or the Championship, but he still reguarly gives away cheapish fouls for the Socceroos, more than it seems he gives away for Palace. I'd put this down to Asian opponents/referees.
Quote:
davidson's ability to link with players around him has actually gone backwards

I do think Davidson has regressed. Form/confidence idk, but hasn't played well for the Roos since the Asian Cup.
Quote:
nick carle lost all his flair and came back to australia a shadow of the player on the ball but slightly more busy in defense (if not a little thuggish). Granted he spent time on the bench due to danns taking his spot but he also had an extended run. I know its a stereotype but I picture an english gaffer looking at his flair and saying "cut that fancy crap out"

I don't think Carle lost his flair at all, he still showed glimpses of it. He came back into a dysfunctional team with ADP at #10 and had to play deeper as a result. Injuries led to inconsistency and never got back to the level he was at at the jets.
Quote:
rhys williams has been injured nonstop. Might have been injured in any league but it does fit the stereotype of the league being rough and having too many fixtures and a terrible place for a technical player like rhys

No idea, seems like body issues rather than the league he plays in.
Quote:
taggart couldn't get off the bench - may have happened in any league but I would put money on him playing for an equally good eredivisie or belgium league at least a little

Taggart was mainly used from the bench at a poor Dundee side in the SPL, he was never good enough to play regularly in the Championship. Don't think thats the leagues fault, rather one of his own limited quality.
Quote:
wright so far has looked about the same for the national team as when he played in league 1

Wright has looked good and the step up in level means he's always facing better competition than he was before.
Quote:
oar struggled to get off the bench despite doing very well in the eredivisie an equal or higher league

Wouldn't say Oar regressed, he just simply made a shit choice to leave the Dutch league in a team that suited his style for one that quite clearly didn't- and now he's paying for it back home because of it.

Most of these I wouldn't say went backwards because of the league, rather playing for teams within that league that didnt suit them, or they took a step up to a level they weren't necessarily ready for.

Certain players will excel in certain leagues and some wont. With our cultural ties to England and the similarity to Aus, it's always going to be a favorable move for a lot of players. I've seen enough quality Australians in the championship to think that iot can be a good league for some of them, but our more technical players should steer clear. I don't think the SPL is suited to these players either and id very similar to the Championship, but Rogic has come on in leaps and bounds.

Edited by jlm8695: 26/5/2016 11:29:53 AM
Edited
9 Years Ago by jlm8695
grazorblade
grazorblade
Legend
Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)Legend (20K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 19K, Visits: 0
yes I watch a lot of ecl especially when an aussie plays for them

ultimately if playing 90 minutes each week in the championship makes a player go backwards whats the point? The fact that the ecl is a decent standard is irrelevant. If you went to any other league the same quality you would improve more as a player and improve for the national team. And for just about any league in the world playing 90 minutes is better than training at a higher level because playing and training is different. But it seems that at least for the group of aussie players over the last 10 years in the championship we are yet to see a player improve getting 90 minutes there each week
Edited
9 Years Ago by grazorblade
Bowden
Bowden
Legend
Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)

Group: Moderators
Posts: 16K, Visits: 0
To be honest I think the Championship isn't a bad place for defensive players (CB, CDM) who could benefit from learning the physical side of the game, timing tackles, winning headers etc.

Attacking players should definitely favour the Holy Trinity instead which has a greater focus on technique.
Edited
9 Years Ago by Bowden
Bowden
Bowden
Legend
Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)Legend (17K reputation)

Group: Moderators
Posts: 16K, Visits: 0
moofa wrote:
Diego Alves has come out and said he is open to talks about leaving Valencia. Not much but players who are staying don't usually come out with statements like this

Quote:
Thus, in an extensive interview with Goal.com portal, the goal -concentrado with his selection for the America's Cup announced to the rumors that place him in a hypothetical exit ramp: "If there is any possibility (leaving the club) sit down to talk without any problem. I know the club has to restructure now and renew the template. they also have to cut costs after all the signings last year. If it is an option for the club, we'll sit down and talk to see what it is best for me and the club. Right now I have five-year contract with Valencia and have demonstrated my value multiple times. No I have to prove anything to anyone. so all I will continue my work with all the pleasure of the world ".


http://valencia.eldesmarque.com/valencia-cf/noticias/13990-las-confesiones-de-diego-alves-desde-brasil


Awesome stuff - thanks for finding these things, mate.
Edited
9 Years Ago by Bowden
BETHFC
BETHFC
World Class
World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)World Class (8.2K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.2K, Visits: 0
grazorblade wrote:
yes I watch a lot of ecl especially when an aussie plays for them

ultimately if playing 90 minutes each week in the championship makes a player go backwards whats the point? The fact that the ecl is a decent standard is irrelevant. If you went to any other league the same quality you would improve more as a player and improve for the national team. And for just about any league in the world playing 90 minutes is better than training at a higher level because playing and training is different. But it seems that at least for the group of aussie players over the last 10 years in the championship we are yet to see a player improve getting 90 minutes there each week


That could also point to a lack of adaptability in our players as well? Our overseas stocks haven't been great in the last decade.

Would be interesting to see how well other non-British players do in the championship.
Edited
9 Years Ago by BETHFC
walnuts
walnuts
Legend
Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)Legend (10K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 10K, Visits: 0
So Rafa Benitez has confirmed he'll stay at Newcastle for the next three years - Smith could do worse than playing under Rafa, and the Toon are short on left backs at the moment.
Edited
9 Years Ago by walnuts
GO


Select a Forum....























Inside Sport


Search