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How long can Ikon keep his place in the team whilst not setting the world alight in Denmark ?
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TheSelectFew
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+xHow long can Ikon keep his place in the team whilst not setting the world alight in Denmark ? I don't know how you can if you don't start.
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CharlieYankos
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+x+xOn whoscored it mentioned that Irvine had played one game as a RB, but all others as a midfielder. Would be good to somehow fit him into the Socceroos with his current scoring record, but midfield is one place we seem have depth i reckon he will get a run. he's basically up against jedi, milligan and luongo for 2 spots. considering we basically need milligan as a CB and jedi's form in the championship has been woeful i think irvine is due to take a spot. Not clear to me that Irvine has gone past Jedi and/or Milligan as yet, but the trajectory is looking in that direction, particularly if Jedi is on the decline. Just great to seemingly have a ready made replacement coming through at the right time... whether that is now or the future, assuming he keeps improving it is great news for the NT
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CharlieYankos
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+xHalloran's starting against leaders Braunschweig. Getting his momentum back. Anyone seen him this season? was quite late to enter an elite system... and last time he really was in the NT set up he was still only 21/22. I could imagine he has continued to improve in the last couple of years... seemed to have potential... but I really dont know as I have not seen him in action lately anyone know more? Can he work his way back into the NT?
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+xI'm shocked if Behich and Halloran don't get a look in tbh. Aziz got 90 in a loss, unfortunately. Halloran is really getting decent game time His performances aren't setting the world on fire but neither is Ikon and look at Kruse. Smith and Kruse see great players but when you see Davidson and Behich performing well you'd expect Ange to explore all options. I'm glad we have this depth rather than not.
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The Fans
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+xHow long can Ikon keep his place in the team whilst not setting the world alight in Denmark ? It was a joke he was in the team in the first place.
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+x+xHow long can Ikon keep his place in the team whilst not setting the world alight in Denmark ? It was a joke he was in the team in the first place. He still looked a good deal niftier on the ball than most. Joke or not.
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How long is Ikon contracted for at Lazio?
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RedKat
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Ikon is Ange's pet now that McKays gone. Guys a huge talent but shouldnt be getting selected
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Jeggo starts against Salzburg. King Kenny starts against AZ, Goodwin on the bench.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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paladisious
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIf Mooy does get bought he will go for a lot. He's considered a "home-grown player" because of the time he spent at Bolton. Fan post on the Hudd game. Also their next game VA Sheffield Wednesday will be televised. Sunday after the Japanese game in Melbourne on the Tuesday. /// Just back - another great win. Bit surprised with the starting line up. Both Whitehead and Hogg in the holding roles and Mooy in da hole. We pretty well still managed to hedge the first half against a typical Ipswich solid and diligent outfit. Thought they actually played it out better than us from the back but they had very little in the way of pace and quality up front. Even so Huddy struggled a bit with Best but managed to claw him to the ground when trouble threatened. Ref was pretty wise to it and free kicks looked the most likely way that Ipswich would get amongst us - but we defended them well. Huddy getting a bit embarrassing tbh. We looked sharp when we could get forward but didn't dominate midfield as much as usual. Great set up play saw Kachunga hit the post and I think the follow up from either Mooy or Nahki brilliant save by their keeper. Moment of worry on about 40 minutes when one of their forwards luckily beat the offside trap and had a pretty easy chance which he curled wide when he should at least have tested the keeper - but he bottled it basically. So level at half time. Mooy wasn't really working in the hole for me although Whitehead and Hogg were brilliant behind him. Just doesn't have the pace or strength to play that type of role in the Championship to me. Needed either Palmer with his pace, strength and ability or the trickery and sharpness of Payne. However, our manager is brilliant and seemed to realise his mistake by changing it round in the second half - not by bringing either Payne or Palmer on but VLP. Whitehead was excellent - but to move Mooy back to his normal position was the right thing to do. Line up then seemed more like 4-2-4 at times (only fans born before 1960 will understand what that means). In game terms it turned a pretty dour match into a more open game. We were stretched in midfield but were back on track. We were pressing a lot with Nahki leading the line. He really looks fit and back up to it. Although he didn't score today he gave the Ipwsich defence not a minutes peace along with Kachunga, VLP and the hitherto unmentioned Scannell who had a cracking game on the right side with Smith. His pressing and chasing back was outstanding. So to the goal. We had a free kick some distance out round the centre circle. Instead of passing backwards Mooy I think hit it down the left channel - badly. Their defender could have let it drift over his head for a dead ball without a Town player within 20 yards. Instead he tried to nod it back to his keeper and it went for a fortuitous corner. Great delivery by Mooy and great run by Schindler to get in front of his marker and flip a delicious header into the corner. Sure every Town fan could see it bury in the corner. Strangely after that the game became very open. VLP had a big impact down the left. His pace frightened them and he even chased their full back to the edge of the box, overtook him and won the ball and then a freekick as the hapless full back tried to prevent him taking the ball back up the field. Common sense prevailed and we went into the defensive block for the last 10 and again saw out the game comfortably. While you are only 1--0 you are always hostage to fortune and sometime its going to bite us - but not this week. Ipswich were strong but poor with no quality up front to frighten us. Their home record is good but I thought we paid them too much respect and could have taken them apart with Palmer or Payne in the line up. Clear at the top going in to the second International break and still bitching! Dreamland. MoM Hogg with several others very close! Read more: http://downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/102070/ipswich-town-match-thread?page=11#ixzz4Lsdd39fm he big on the 2 young players Palmer and Payne, who didn't even play in that game :laugh: pace and strength the most important features for a number 10. lolllllsssss. what a stooge. no wonder they say the gap between premier league and the championship is growing. jedi having some shockers huh? defenders always wear the blame for goals. because they are in front of goals. jedi plays every game 80-90% perfect. its the howlers he has in the other 10-20% that are concerning. Not the most important features. But does he say that? Or does he just say those are important features? Also I'd wager that many of those involved with coaching and playing in the Premier League would agree that pace and strength are important for a CAM. So it doesn't really say that much about the gap between the Premier League and the Championship, imo. The other thing to remember is that Wagner, who's hardly your run-of-the-mill hoofball manager, seems to like the idea of having a pacy CAM who excels in one-on-one's and playing Mooy a bit deeper where he can control the tempo more. In Australia's new age of technical football, it's very easy to forget that there are specific physical attributes that are useful in specific positions. For some parts of the park, it's advisable to have an athlete who has the technical ability and the football IQ (and hence most of the best footballers in the world for that position are athletes with the technical ability and football IQ). It's very easy to think in false dichotomies of either athleticism or technique. But the reality is that, for some parts of the park, both those things are needed. It's not an either or proposition. English football, rightly or wrongly, prizes specific attributes in specific positions. So many of the best footballers in the world who play attacking roles have pace and one-on-one skills. So it's hardly ludicrous. I, personally, think it's a bit restrictive. I think there are outstanding CAMs who are neither overly quick nor great at passing opponents on their own. I've thought a bit more deeply about this CAM attributes proposition. I think if you're playing 442 with a diamond midfield and you have a couple of strikers who have that pace and one-on-one skill, then fair enough, Mooy is a great bet in the CAM role. You want him in the position to distribute to those strikers. But for that to work, bare minimum, you need at least one striker who has pace, one-on-one skill and clinical finishing. If you're not so confident with your strikers (as is the predicament for the Australian NT), then you might want a bit more of a dynamic CAM than Mooy. So if you don't have so much faith in your striker(s)'s ability, then you want to be able to compensate for that at the CAM position. Then you want a CAM who can blitz through defences on his own. That's fair enough. Similarly, if you're playing 4-2-3-1 and your striker doesn't have the ability to do lots on his own, or you just think you need more options who can do it all on their own, then you want to have that CAM who can has pace and one-on-one ability. In those circumstances, you'd sooner have Mooy a bit further back and dictating play. I'm not sure of Huddersfield Town's formation, nor do I know much about their strikers, but that analysis didn't seem in the slightest bit unreasonable to me. But things are working perfectly for Huddersfield at the minute with Mooy deeper. So I don't get why people get their knickers in a knot about it. tldr More like slow flick.
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+xHow long is Ikon contracted for at Lazio? Until 2020. He signed a new senior five year contract towards the end of last season. The Lazio hierarchy clearly rate him.
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Big game for Jeggo, 1st vs 2nd just kicked off in Austria. Chance to put some real distance between themselves and Salzburg though Graz are away.
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Clean sheet with four saves and an 8.2 rating for Jones in a 2-0 away win. Jamieson's team are down 4-2 away from home, he's still on with five minutes to play.
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+xWagner clearly wanted to be more defensive away to Ipswitch for whatever reason so he played two very defensive DMs, Hogg and Whitehead together. There was some concern on the Huddersfield forum that the two of them would not work well together and should not be playing together. Hence Mooy was moved to the number 10 role in a more defensive team than the one Huddersfield have been playing. I read the comments about Mooy in the number 10 role comparing him to Payne and Palmer as not saying that being quick and strong is the primary asset for the number 10 role but it is the assets Payne has that Mooy does not have that has help Payne play well in the number 10 role. The comments is that Palmer is far more tricky than Mooy, which is perhaps not that surprising seeing he is a 19 year old on loan from Chelsea. So the comments highlight a physical difference between Payne and Mooy and a skill difference between Palmer and Mooy. questions to any move should be, will this move lead to more shots on goal at a high probability (not all shots are equal) all this about pace and strong don't matter if does lead to more shots from Huddersfield forum and team list , it look like Huddersfield has far more players who look good playing AM....the problem for Huddersfield is, they don't get that many shot per game (Huddersfield 22nd on shot per game) even knowing that Huddersfield is top of the table it might end up being the case , that Huddersfield has to move Mooy to CAM, to get more shot (goals), and the Huddersfield fans don't understand this ye. it might be more to do with luck then skill Huddersfield sitting on the top
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+xHow long can Ikon keep his place in the team whilst not setting the world alight in Denmark ? he got a golden ticket
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+x+xWagner clearly wanted to be more defensive away to Ipswitch for whatever reason so he played two very defensive DMs, Hogg and Whitehead together. There was some concern on the Huddersfield forum that the two of them would not work well together and should not be playing together. Hence Mooy was moved to the number 10 role in a more defensive team than the one Huddersfield have been playing. I read the comments about Mooy in the number 10 role comparing him to Payne and Palmer as not saying that being quick and strong is the primary asset for the number 10 role but it is the assets Payne has that Mooy does not have that has help Payne play well in the number 10 role. The comments is that Palmer is far more tricky than Mooy, which is perhaps not that surprising seeing he is a 19 year old on loan from Chelsea. So the comments highlight a physical difference between Payne and Mooy and a skill difference between Palmer and Mooy. questions to any move should be, will this move lead to more shots on goal at a high probability (not all shots are equal) all this about pace and strong don't matter if does lead to more shots from Huddersfield forum and team list , it look like Huddersfield has far more players who look good playing AM....the problem for Huddersfield is, they don't get that many shot per game (Huddersfield 22nd on shot per game) even knowing that Huddersfield is top of the table it might end up being the case , that Huddersfield has to move Mooy to CAM, to get more shot (goals), and the Huddersfield fans don't understand this ye. it might be more to do with luck then skill Huddersfield sitting on the top I don't think it's luck. It seems like Mooy gives them great control in possession. One of the most common ways of scoring is from winning the ball quickly and decisively in your opponent's defensive third. Having Mooy as an outlet means this is much less likely.
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+x+x+xHow long can Ikon keep his place in the team whilst not setting the world alight in Denmark ? It was a joke he was in the team in the first place. He still looked a good deal niftier on the ball than most. Joke or not. he look great , in taking the wrong play 9 out of 10
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Feyenoord's opponents have scored from just 2% of their shots against Feyenoord 
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Langerak is playing tomorrow. I think Ryan will get the nod but I can't trust Federici to play before Langerak if Ryan ends up missing out.
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Full game and assist for Jeggo in Austria.
Full match for Dougall and last half hour for Goodwin in a 1-1 draw.
Wilshire sent off in the 33rd minute with a second yellow in Russia lol.
This Aussie is coming back from abroad.
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Feyenoord's opponents have scored from just 2% of their shots against Feyenoord wow.. Jones has had a strange career.. 34 years old and has played around 2 seasons worth of senior games. I know he had a serious personal issue.. and am not judging just saying... he has not played all that much, which is a shame because it seems he is pretty good shot stopper,, regular football during his 20's may have seen him become very good
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Alves saved two penalties in a 2:0 loss. Ryan might have a very tough time getting back in.
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+xRyan's going to find it tough with Alves saving two pens and not doing a lot wrong. Jaume is not a bad keeper either. It's really disappointing that Valencia didn't sell Alves as planned over the transfer window, with three very good goalkeepers on their books game time will be limited, particularly with Ryan's niggling injuries. Jedinak's form is a problem in the Championship. The Socceroos benefit from Jedinak's experience and leadership qualities but given Irvine's good form he should be getting more game time for Australia as Jedi's likely successor. Degenek is also a natural DM I think? If we can find a decent RB we could see more of him there. And yeah Behich and Halloran are probably due for a look-in fairly soon. I never rated Halloran that highly at Brisbane but he seems to have grown a lot as a player. I agree with your comments regarding Ryan. Alves is like a god with the fans and i cant see him being dropped now. Either Ryan or Jaume have to go out on loan in January.
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+xLangerak is playing tomorrow. I think Ryan will get the nod but I can't trust Federici to play before Langerak if Ryan ends up missing out. Langerak would be likely to get the nod I'd say. Ryan hasn't played competitive football since the last Roos game. He deserves another go anyway.
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+x+xLangerak is playing tomorrow. I think Ryan will get the nod but I can't trust Federici to play before Langerak if Ryan ends up missing out. Langerak would be likely to get the nod I'd say. Ryan hasn't played competitive football since the last Roos game. He deserves another go anyway. I don't care if he hasn't played. Langerak is a liability. Every time he puts a socceroos jersey on he has a shocker and we can't afford to be making rash decisions with these important qualifiers
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+x+x+xLangerak is playing tomorrow. I think Ryan will get the nod but I can't trust Federici to play before Langerak if Ryan ends up missing out. Langerak would be likely to get the nod I'd say. Ryan hasn't played competitive football since the last Roos game. He deserves another go anyway. I don't care if he hasn't played. Langerak is a liability. Every time he puts a socceroos jersey on he has a shocker and we can't afford to be making rash decisions with these important qualifiers You would rather gamble on a player who hasn't played in a month due to injury. Brave.
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+x+xRyan's going to find it tough with Alves saving two pens and not doing a lot wrong. Jaume is not a bad keeper either. It's really disappointing that Valencia didn't sell Alves as planned over the transfer window, with three very good goalkeepers on their books game time will be limited, particularly with Ryan's niggling injuries. Jedinak's form is a problem in the Championship. The Socceroos benefit from Jedinak's experience and leadership qualities but given Irvine's good form he should be getting more game time for Australia as Jedi's likely successor. Degenek is also a natural DM I think? If we can find a decent RB we could see more of him there. And yeah Behich and Halloran are probably due for a look-in fairly soon. I never rated Halloran that highly at Brisbane but he seems to have grown a lot as a player. I agree with your comments regarding Ryan. Alves is like a god with the fans and i cant see him being dropped now. Either Ryan or Jaume have to go out on loan in January. I was going t say this. Surely it doesn't make sense for them to have all 3 keepers for the whole season. Hopefully Maty goes on loan in January.
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Ryan has to get out of Valencia ASAP.
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+x+x+x+xLangerak is playing tomorrow. I think Ryan will get the nod but I can't trust Federici to play before Langerak if Ryan ends up missing out. Langerak would be likely to get the nod I'd say. Ryan hasn't played competitive football since the last Roos game. He deserves another go anyway. I don't care if he hasn't played. Langerak is a liability. Every time he puts a socceroos jersey on he has a shocker and we can't afford to be making rash decisions with these important qualifiers You would rather gamble on a player who hasn't played in a month due to injury. Brave. langeraks only issue has been the lack of consistent game time. you cannot trust someones performance if they are not doing it week in week out. there should be no starters in the NT that aren't playing regularly at their club. every time it happens it causes major issues. ryan should not be starting ahead of langerak at the moment. to me it's langerak and jones for the top spot at the moment. we cant afford rust in goals.
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