Cheers, thanks.

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He was actually wanted by the NZ coach before Australia selected him. He waited thinking he'd get the Aussie call up, which he did. I believe that he was also eligible through his mother for an Island nation, who wanted him as well. He made the right choice!

Was writing up a quiz for the participants to name 6 English national team players born abroad. Could name a few foreign born Roos but was very surprised and wouldn't have named Thompson who was in fact born in NZ.

^ LOL

I sure miss Cup Fever...

Now I get to post this!

This season I think he's played the best I've seen him play. But he's been a winger and thats what I've always seen him as. His finishing can be very erratic, but as a winger he's been good.

Thanks for that.

That's a quadruple hat trick, plus one.

Single handedly destroyed Sydney last night.
One of the best individual performances I can recall from any A League player.

Doing half of that. Fluffing chances, but has at least 3 assists to his name in 4 HAL matches. Could've had 4 assists, as his cross lead to the Rojas goal against Adelaide. Don't think that would lead to an assist stat...as before it made it to Rojas the cross hit Boogaard and then the cross bar.

All that cross comes down to in the end is a dangerous ball. :lol:


And yet, now all 4 of them are in the squad to take on South Korea. Time for Ruka to actually perform and fingers crossed that we get to see Leckie and Babalj hit the pitch.


And I could easily say, would Oar's cross looked so pin point if Archie hadn't actually made the run to get in between the two CBs? Beautiful cross, but the run would've meant it was a nothing ball. Just like Archie's run wouldn't have of been useful if there was no cross.

6 of one, half dozen of the other.


Obviously not watching him actually playing for MV.

Edited by Ali07: 9/11/2012 01:50:09 PM

He was involved in a lot of effective combination play that resulted in goals, even if he was a little profligate with his scoring chances.

Osieck has also stated that Archie doesn't seem to need time, like most other players, to get into the game.

We also don't see the team train on a regular basis either to evaluate how players are performing in camp, or fitting into the team in general and follow different game plans.

Archie to me fits the role of scapegoat ATM from fans looking to vilify a player. He is similar to Jade North in the eyes of the fans.

Brett Holman fulfilled this role a few years ago.

Archie is a great combination player in the attacking third. His off the ball movement, and, passing and moving in attacking combination play is excellent. McDonald is pretty good at this too, but can't beat players like Archie can.

Weird isn't it? The guy has scored 3 goals in 3 goal games for Australia, but has scored 1 in 14 for Victory! He doesn't seem to be losing form/ability like other players of his age.

Age should only ever become an issue if there is nothing else to separate the players when picking them, or it is an experimental match. There is no too old or too young, just in the best squad or not in the best squad. As GA said, it's not about incumbents having a right to be there, it's about form, but at the same time Archie's current NT form makes it impossible for him to be dropped.

To answer the question of the thread if Archie was scoring goals and assisting in the A-League even at 34 i wouldnt mind having him on the bench for the Socceroos.
Having said that we already know what Archie can do so i find it very sill by Holger to select him in the next friendly when we have players like Ruka,Leckie,Babalj miss out because of Archie.
Give all these three players a chance for the national team and see how they go and if they cant do a job then you go with Archie for the qualifiers but its just stupid to ignore them for a player who when first picked to play for the Socceroos was having the worst season in the A-League and it was just a joke that he still got picked when lets face it he was simply shit.As for people saying if Archie wasnt in the team and scored those 3 goals where would we be now in the qualifiers i could easily say would Archie have that record of Oar hadnt done the hard work and sent in a pin point cross for him.
In my opinion Archie is not good enough on current club form to get selected and its club form that counts because you cant compare national team form with young promising players who havnt yet been selected to play for their country.
The thing i dont mind about Archie though is that he is atleast on the bench and used as a impact player unlike Brosque who is a starter and should not be anywhere near the national team not even on the bench.

In the end, a coach is entitled to pick who he feels are the best players a country has. Maybe he just like Archie's style of play, and to Holger's credit, he played Archie as more of an attick midflieder/winger, not as an out and out striker.

No gamble, since his goal scoring form for the national team puts other potential strikers to shame.
And that's not counting his build up play which puts a Cahill or Brosque to shame and is more a game breaker than Holman will ever be.

So no one can explain how he got recalled?

Those "7 goals and 7 assists" all came in the first half of a season where they only play 27 games. So that's roughly fourteen or so games, which is about three and a half months of form, after which he bombed and helped lead Melbourne to their worst ever finish.

I'm just asking a simple question. I'm not ignoring his current achievements. I agreed if there is no one currently better then we'll go in to the WC with this hack.

You're the one who seems to think it's okay we're gambling on the form of a 34 year old whose career peaked with a training stint at PSV.

RUKAVYTSYA should be our striker, included in all games. i would work with him till i got the potential i needed out of him and go thim to perform.
he is our best prospect.

So, who deserves a shot ahead of him right now? Love it that you bring up the past, which I admit wasn't good for Archie, and seem blind to what he is doing now for the Roos.

As someone pointed out, he has played 8 games under Holger. In four of those games, he turned the momentum of a match, gave us a sniff with a goal, scored another in a friendly, and won us a WCQ.

Guess we can all focus on the past that is convenient to our stance :lol:

I see whats going on here.

Another Roaroo, I won't be complaining. :cool:

Under Holger Archie has 8 games and scored 3 goals. This is quite a good return and if he can continue scoring I see no reason not to have him in the squad all the way to and including the 2014 WC.
One other player has also played 8 games for Australia under Holger, he has 8 goals and 3 assists. It would be really good to see a fit Joshua Kennedy playing for Australia again.
Another player has played 8 games for Australia under Holger and has managed no goals. I do not know why McDonald has not scored for Australia, he is a good enough player but I guess opportunities will be limited now.

Information taken from http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/holger-osieck/spieler/trainer_181_3433_2010-08-11_2014-06-30.html

Edited by reds are best: 9/11/2012 12:00:05 AM

morale does play it, but surely at that level....

I can see him being taken over to brazil, purely because from what I understand he makes training for the roos enjoyable. he's the good vibe in the camp.

-- 7 goals and 7 assists for MV is hardly on fire. Mitch Nichols had 10 goals and 5 assists. Mitch Ncchols has better stats. Mitch Nichols.
-- He's played 24 games for the national team. That's not "barely" considering how useless he really is.
-- Those skills were on show when Pim called him hopeless.

-- He was on fire all season, if not scoring he was constantly getting assists, he was also selected to play because we were missing half of our 1st team and the dead rubber was in Melbourne
--He has barely played for the national team since we moved into Asia
--I've seen his famed skills performing at international level, he could do everything except score it seems (missing sitters), he got dropped after getting a long term injury against China at altitude.

Can anyone explain to me how after getting dumped by Pim, he got back into the team?

-- Club form wasn't that great.
-- He'd barely scored a goal for the national team since we moved into Asia.
-- His other "famed" skills have never come out at international level i.e. he can't dribble past anyone.

for all those advocating the removal of Archie, and I can see your point, imagine where The Socceroos would be without his three goals....

This.

True, might see Gameiro make seem leaps. And I would love to see Tombides get back on the track he was seemingly heading down.