Decentric
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It seems that the 4 phase match analysis from the FFA National Curriculum must be Clairefontaine in France.
The KNVB has a match analysis/training ground methodology like this for youth players upwards:
1. Specific technique work exercises designed to improve weaknesses identified in the last match the team played.
2. 4v4 SSGs
3. 7v7 or 8v8 done incrementally, depending on how one coaches the identified weakness from game observation. This is the team keeper and defensive and midfield lines usually playing against the attacking and midfield lines. One does a lot of structural work here.
4. 11 v11 reinforcing the coaching point/identified weakness.
Clairefontaine/FFA
1. Warm up (passing practice).
2. Positioning game.
3. Game training
4. Training game.
This is considerably more prescriptive than the KNVB.
Both rely heavily on breaking down the game into four main moments of the game.
Ball Possession (BP), Defensive Transition, Ball Possession Opposition ( BPO) and Attacking Transition.
I've been thinking this way for years. FFA wants coaches to make coaches' half time address much more concise, by breaking down the game into these four main moments.
I'll add to this post bit by bit over the next few weeks.
Edited by Decentric: 3/12/2012 12:16:13 AM
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dirk vanadidas
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Decentric wrote:I've been thinking this way for years. FFA wants coaches to make coaches' half time address much more concise, by breaking down the game into these four main moments.
I'll add to this post bit by bit over the next few weeks.
Edited by Decentric: 3/12/2012 12:16:13 AM What do the FFA think coaches are saying at the moment ?
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Just pretend what Kosmina would say if Adelaide were down 2-0 at half-time to Victory.
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dirk vanadidas
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here are few of the FFA approved half time team talks at the state institute challange BP When our GK gets the ball dont look to counter attack as this is reactive football, dont look for the safest longest pass but instead play it to the Centre back who is being pressed. BPO when their gk has the ball , drop off to the half way as it is onlt fair to let them play, BP/BPO transistions i want to see if we can get the ball from the back 1/3 to the front 1/3 in less than 30 transitions
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Decentric
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KNVB worked much more on ideal shape models.
That is 10-15 metres v between players within the lines and between the lines.
The whole team shape according to KNVB should take up about 40 metres by 40 metres.
In the FFA C Licence, they are reluctant to recommend ideal distancing.
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Decentric
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The KNVB very much involved a match analysis from a defensive perspective first. That is before analysing a game from a midfield perspective or an attacking perspective. KN VB consider it is easier to analyse a game from a defensive perspective than the midfield and attacking perspective.
Int FFA C licence, there is an emphasis on no preferred match analytical system first , or sequential system. Compared to the KNVB Youth Certificate, there is more detail in analysing games in FFA C Licence. On thing I like is the: What? Who? Where? When? Why?
I think it was glossed over much more quickly with the KNVB Youth Certificate.
The assumption from the FFA C lIcence is that we know less than the KNVB assumed we do. I think the FFA model might be closer to the mark! What I like about the FFA Advanced Coaching model is that we are sent drills/exercises. The only problem, as I see it, is that we are not allowed to share them publicly without permission from FFA. I'm puzzled by this? I don't like it. To me, the more widely disseminated this sort of training ground material, the better.
The KNVB looks at how, who, when, where, which, too. It also looks at controlling the centre of the pitch. It also seemed to push the concept of a half press as the first defensive option in BPO. The instructors seemed to be more aware of full pressing, half pressing and partial pressing.
Another thing the KNVB Advanced Coaching is big on in defensive structure and shape, is that each player within a particular line coaches the line in front of it to keep team shape. I've found this enormously useful.
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The C Licence is very much focused on identifying match problems from game observation, then planning modules from that.
There is also more onus on coaches providing half time addresses and management of players and issues in the FFA C LIcence. KNVB was primarily concerned with training sound tactical and technical coaches.
The KNVB Youth Certificate provided a more general football background on what to coach at which ages. There is an assumption from FFA that we know the Building Blocks and NC from the literature.
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FFA C Licence also advocates a variety of training ground visual display units - magnetic boards, white boards.
The KNVB mainly used cones in a 3mx3m area to set out team shapes and tactics for juniors and youth. I even get players to stand on them.
When the instructors use practice games at the C Licence, they put down bibs, numbered 2-11 in the designated spot to keep ideal team shape on a whole or half pitch. One thing in training games is that I try to educate players behind me to tell me where they want to position me.
Since there are no ideal distances, maximum and minimum, mandated by FFA, they are reluctant to do it. However, I bellow at players in front of me and to the side to keep a team shape.
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Seems the Nix want to go KNVB also Quote:As the A-League franchise struggles to pull punters through the gate, Welnix consortium member Gareth Morgan said the club were working on changing their style. "We are trying to go towards what they call 'total football'," Morgan told Radio Sport today. "Changing the formation ... from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 to make for a more attacking sort of game and that's a big change for the players, particularly the midfield who have to do a hell of a lot more work with only three in there rather than four. That'll take time to adjust but we are going to stick to this because I think it's attractive football." http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10853881
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A mate of mine did the KNVB course in Canberra, like Decentric. My mate showed me the KNVB stuff in some course books. There was some really decent soccer training ground there . Spent a lot of time looking at it and copied a lot of stuff I use on the park. I'll be watching this thread to see the differences with the C Licence run by FFA.
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Decentric
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There are some differences between the KNVB and FFA in the first phase of a four phase traing ground pactice.
KNVB
1. Specific technique work exercises designed to improve weaknesses identified in the last match the team played.
Clairefontaine/FFA
1. Warm up (passing practice). Also, based on identified problems in the previous game.
There are some differences here.
In the KNVB warm up, there is an emphasis on devising training ground practices that address any problems ( the most critical) in the game observed. it can be dribbling, running with the ball, shooting, passing, first touch, heading, etc.
In the FFA model for stage one, with the warm up also called passing practice, the warm up has more specific instructions.
1. That passing must be incorporated in every drill, because it is the most important fundamental skill.
2. As well as passing in the warm up, there must be movement.
I prefer the KNVB. That is having the option not to incorporate passing into every drill in the warm up.
However, with the KNVB, one can use stationary drills. With the FFA there must be movement. I can see the value here and now try and incorporate movement, as well as the technical point we want to work on.
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Another difference between the KNVB and the FFA NC courses, is that the KNVB were absolutely emphatic that unless a player has adequate technique, s/he is virtually useless as a football player. No matter what other qualities a player has, they are of no value unless a player has sufficient technique.
This has definitely no been clarified in any FFA course I've done. It would be interesting to hear if anybody else has received this message in a FFA course elsewhere.
I ran a session for a state league senior club last week. They liked the style of technical and structured training (KNVB and FFA C Licence) so much they've asked me back to take further sessions if I have the time.
What I'm going to have to tell them, tactfully, is that most of their technical skills are so far behind their game sense and positional play, they need to touch the ball tens of thousands of times, and more, to be able to execute what their much more advanced game sense and positional play is capable of.
Edited by Decentric: 12/2/2013 10:53:42 PM
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dirkvanadidas wrote:Decentric wrote:I've been thinking this way for years. FFA wants coaches to make coaches' half time address much more concise, by breaking down the game into these four main moments.
I'll add to this post bit by bit over the next few weeks.
Edited by Decentric: 3/12/2012 12:16:13 AM What do the FFA think coaches are saying at the moment ? It depends at which level? FFA/KNVB want the game analysed by coaches in succinct terms. That is the four main moments of the game. Also the 5 Ws- What, Who, Where , When, Who. The KNVB also have How, Which players are causing the problem, in which team, plus a number of others. They also address Squeezing and types of Pressing. I've seen coaches deliver half time speeches without habitually alluding to the aforementioned. The speeches have been less concise.
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There is another difference between the FFA NC C Licence and the KNVB.
KNVB advocate learning technique slowly at first. In an exercise the emphasis must be on technique acquisition first and foremost. In a passing exercise to reinforce accurate passing, the KNVB put considerable weight to run through the exercises with movement, but the quality of the pass is paramount. The intensity of the drill is secondary to the specific technique focus identified as a weakness from the previous game.
FFA NC coaches keep telling us to make it real. They don't agree with technique being acquired slowly at first. For them, everything is supposed to be acquired at game speed to simulate match conditions. These are FFA instructors I rate highly too.They disagree with the slow acquisition of techniques, advocated by KNVB. There is merit in this, but I prefer the KNVB approach to technique acquisition.
I'm very much in support of the KNVB process. Techniques can be acquired slowly at first. As players become more confident with techniques they can speed them up. The next stage is to start using them against limited pressure (passive defenders). Eventually limited pressure can become active pressure.
Edited by Decentric: 14/2/2013 04:46:12 PM
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