State Institute Challenge 2012 - starts today


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Only number 4 for Tasmania stood out to any extent in my mind..


I am not going to mention his name, as I know him a bit off forum. I had to do a half time analysis for the C Licence with his team's performance.

Unfortunately, for this Tassie NTC number 4, his positional play was one of the team problems, but would have easily been fixed with clear communication with the number 5.

I've been watching the NTC team train a bit lately, being mentored by the NTC coach.

This number 4 player times his closing down of space really well. In general, he uses space very well to defend in BPO.
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MidfieldMaestro wrote:
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FFA definitely don't want to advertise it because of potential negative media feedback.


How come the national championships for 13's and 14's are fairly well publicised?

The host federation for the 13 and 14s, Northern NSW, does a good job of doing daily reports with results and scorers. They give the tournament the publicity not FFA, the rare items you see on the FFA website about nationals is usually a copy of a state federation's article. The FFA/AIS runs the NTC tournament which is why there is very little info out there on the web.
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MidfieldMaestro wrote:
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FFA definitely don't want to advertise it because of potential negative media feedback.


How come the national championships for 13's and 14's are fairly well publicised?


They aren't in Tasmania.

The local football media struggles to find out when the NTC coaches leave the state with teams.

Someone contacted me on this forum, I can't remember who, to ask me if I had any details about a NTC tournament in Tasmania. There was a lot of info about Alistair Edwards being here, but not the tournament.
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Decentric wrote:
FFA definitely don't want to advertise it because of potential negative media feedback.


How come the national championships for 13's and 14's are fairly well publicised?
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Good input from the guys who attended the tournament in Canberra.=d>

FFA definitely don't want to advertise it because of potential negative media feedback. I have a mate who works in the football media. I can see merit in arguments from both sides.

Ironically, two of our state/NTC coaches at the tournament were thrilled with the positive feedback about the Tassie NTC team's performance at the event, apart from the game against NNSW. I am under the tutelage of these guys as a developing coach. They are very good and I am learning heaps from them. The state NTC coaching panel said they could see that the players weren't up for it even before the game started against NNSW.

Edited by Decentric: 28/1/2013 05:12:12 PM
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It would be a positive initiative to have a NYL team from Canberra as well as some other cities without A-League representation.



Tell that to 4wander4 in the expansion thread in AF.


Couldn't be bothered Spathi, common sense is common sense, for the games development Canberra, North Queensland and Tasmania should have NYL squads as a minimum.

There is no reason with a suitable marketing plan the NYL could not be something akin to the Next Generation series in Europe.

Edited by Arthur: 4/1/2013 10:51:36 AM



Just found out today that the 96/97 players could possibly be playing in the youth league in the 2013/2014 season. This is why they are being kept together as a development group next ACT premier league season. Has not been ratified yet but thats what the plan is. About time I think.
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spathi wrote:
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It would be a positive initiative to have a NYL team from Canberra as well as some other cities without A-League representation.



Tell that to 4wander4 in the expansion thread in AF.


Couldn't be bothered Spathi, common sense is common sense, for the games development Canberra, North Queensland and Tasmania should have NYL squads as a minimum.

There is no reason with a suitable marketing plan the NYL could not be something akin to the Next Generation series in Europe.

Edited by Arthur: 4/1/2013 10:51:36 AM
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Arthur wrote:
It would be a positive initiative to have a NYL team from Canberra as well as some other cities without A-League representation.



Tell that to 4wander4 in the expansion thread in AF.
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It would be a positive initiative to have a NYL team from Canberra as well as some other cities without A-League representation.
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spathi wrote:
Capital football are keeping last years ACTAS squad together so as to create a pathway for these players gaining a A-League youth contract.
Games have been organised for this group (96-97) to play games against, SFC, WSW, CCM and NJ.


Some great foresight Spathi. Hope all goes to plan for them.
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Capital football are keeping last years ACTAS squad together so as to create a pathway for these players gaining a A-League youth contract.
Games have been organised for this group (96-97) to play games against, SFC, WSW, CCM and NJ.
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He is in SFC NYL team, did play as the 9 in the Asian Cup, which surprised me a bit as I've always known him to play as a 7. Having said that, I haven't seen him play all that often.
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thupercoach wrote:
MidfieldMaestro wrote:
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Decentric wrote:
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dirkvanadidas wrote:
At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's



Edwards was mooting two excellent number 10s to look out for in the future. I can't think of their names- one Anglicised and the other a Latin name, who is the son of a former Socceroo.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 11:56:12 PM


I think you might mean Josh McDonald and Daniel De Silva. Daniels father is not a former socceroo.


Bang on the money! Thanks.

Have you been talking to Alistair Edwards?

Also, have you seen these two play?

Which state are they from?






Not sure about McDonald but De Silva is from Perth.


Sydney.
I think the boy is in the SFC NYL team.


When recalled watching the joeys play in the AFC qualifiers in Iran didn't this play kid as a centre forward? The number 9? What skills does he have as a 10 anyway?
Also the other kid Da Silva was the 10 instead and I was quite impressed him when watching the joeys in action.



Edited by Barca4life: 18/12/2012 09:57:55 AM
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MidfieldMaestro wrote:
spathi wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Ireally wrote:
Decentric wrote:
dirkvanadidas wrote:
At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's



Edwards was mooting two excellent number 10s to look out for in the future. I can't think of their names- one Anglicised and the other a Latin name, who is the son of a former Socceroo.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 11:56:12 PM


I think you might mean Josh McDonald and Daniel De Silva. Daniels father is not a former socceroo.


Bang on the money! Thanks.

Have you been talking to Alistair Edwards?

Also, have you seen these two play?

Which state are they from?




Not sure about McDonald but De Silva is from Perth.


Sydney.
I think the boy is in the SFC NYL team.
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spathi wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Ireally wrote:
Decentric wrote:
dirkvanadidas wrote:
At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's



Edwards was mooting two excellent number 10s to look out for in the future. I can't think of their names- one Anglicised and the other a Latin name, who is the son of a former Socceroo.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 11:56:12 PM


I think you might mean Josh McDonald and Daniel De Silva. Daniels father is not a former socceroo.


Bang on the money! Thanks.

Have you been talking to Alistair Edwards?

Also, have you seen these two play?

Which state are they from?




Not sure about McDonald but De Silva is from Perth.


Sydney.
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Decentric wrote:
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Is the number ten a grafter or an Intelligent player who disappears when possession is lost in order to steal the intercept and be free for attack when possession is regained.
I think David abela would see every player as a grafter.
But there are many #10 who don't graft but are very effective.


We had David as our TD down here .

Since I don't have to work with him anymore, I think given he is the Queensland TD, and having a big job , I'll pass my thoughts on his strengths and weaknesses as TD and in relation to number 10s.

David was thought of as a good coach of coaches. I agree. However, what he coached at the time was the old ad hoc way of no specifics except for telling coaches to play out from the back, but with no instructions and methodology as how to achieve this. Maybe he has ideas now?

David also talked a lot and rebuked too many local football stakeholders, including players, about what their commitments/prorities should be. He also dictated to state coaches what they would do with particular players and the positions they would play. No autonomy for state coaches, they had to do as he said.

He and his two successors, Richard Evans and Steve Payne, all liked laying down what they thought was the law - my way or the highway. They were good talkers, but poor listeners. They've been succeeded as TD by a guy with much greater social intelligence. Tasmanian football , in terms of state FFA and a new coaching structure is really going places. David is not missed one bit. The game has really moved on since his tenure and his two successors.

The new TD, a local boy, is drawing coaching luminaries from all over the place, putting us on the map. He is really bringing the local football community together.

The TD and another local boy, also a NTC coach, are already better coach educators than David. They will be amongst the best in Australia in a short period of time, both being fast learners and aided by the Australian under 20 assistant coach, another locally based FFA coach (NTC) and coach educator.

I can imagine David considering number 10s as grafters. I think he is wrong. They should have defensive capabilities as well as attacking capabilities, but essentially they are like Wesley Schneijder.

The way the local coaches coach, with the SAP instructor in particular, they believe in making players solve problems for themselves. This would apply to that number 10 role, also recognising a player like Nick Carle, also needs to perform defensive duties, and, needs just to take one or two touches on occasions.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 08:38:40 PM

I have tried to be fair and impartial but he is not my type of coach and roar does not exactly play my style of football.
But it is all the rage in queensland and everyone claims they want to pay like the roar.
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Decentric wrote:
Ireally wrote:
Decentric wrote:
dirkvanadidas wrote:
At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's



Edwards was mooting two excellent number 10s to look out for in the future. I can't think of their names- one Anglicised and the other a Latin name, who is the son of a former Socceroo.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 11:56:12 PM


I think you might mean Josh McDonald and Daniel De Silva. Daniels father is not a former socceroo.


Bang on the money! Thanks.

Have you been talking to Alistair Edwards?

Also, have you seen these two play?

Which state are they from?




Not sure about McDonald but De Silva is from Perth.
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Ireally wrote:
Decentric wrote:
dirkvanadidas wrote:
At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's



Edwards was mooting two excellent number 10s to look out for in the future. I can't think of their names- one Anglicised and the other a Latin name, who is the son of a former Socceroo.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 11:56:12 PM


I think you might mean Josh McDonald and Daniel De Silva. Daniels father is not a former socceroo.

I was not that impressed with them but maybe i did not see enough of their games.
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Ireally wrote:
Decentric wrote:
dirkvanadidas wrote:
At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's



Edwards was mooting two excellent number 10s to look out for in the future. I can't think of their names- one Anglicised and the other a Latin name, who is the son of a former Socceroo.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 11:56:12 PM


I think you might mean Josh McDonald and Daniel De Silva. Daniels father is not a former socceroo.


Bang on the money! Thanks.

Have you been talking to Alistair Edwards?

Also, have you seen these two play?

Which state are they from?
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Decentric wrote:
dirkvanadidas wrote:
At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's



Edwards was mooting two excellent number 10s to look out for in the future. I can't think of their names- one Anglicised and the other a Latin name, who is the son of a former Socceroo.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 11:56:12 PM


I think you might mean Josh McDonald and Daniel De Silva. Daniels father is not a former socceroo.
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dirkvanadidas wrote:
At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's


I'd say he is not a good coach at producing them. I'd also think David would be reluctant to seek counsel of others too. He is very dogmatic.

At the same time I like the bloke and he is a good educator of coaches, if, he is disseminating the right messages.

He must come under the jurisdiction of Han Berger, Kelly Cross and Alistair Edwards.

Edwards was mooting two excellent number 10s to look out for in the future. I can't think of their names- one Anglicised and the other a Latin name, who is the son of a former Socceroo.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 11:56:12 PM
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Is the number ten a grafter or an Intelligent player who disappears when possession is lost in order to steal the intercept and be free for attack when possession is regained.
I think David abela would see every player as a grafter.
But there are many #10 who don't graft but are very effective.


We had David as our TD down here .

Since I don't have to work with him anymore, I think given he is the Queensland TD, and having a big job , I'll pass my thoughts on his strengths and weaknesses as TD and in relation to number 10s.

David was thought of as a good coach of coaches. I agree. However, what he coached at the time was the old ad hoc way of no specifics except for telling coaches to play out from the back, but with no instructions and methodology as how to achieve this. Maybe he has ideas now?

David also talked a lot and rebuked too many local football stakeholders, including players, about what their commitments/prorities should be. He also dictated to state coaches what they would do with particular players and the positions they would play. No autonomy for state coaches, they had to do as he said.

He and his two successors, Richard Evans and Steve Payne, all liked laying down what they thought was the law - my way or the highway. They were good talkers, but poor listeners. They've been succeeded as TD by a guy with much greater social intelligence. Tasmanian football , in terms of state FFA and a new coaching structure is really going places. David is not missed one bit. The game has really moved on since his tenure and his two successors.

The new TD, a local boy, is drawing coaching luminaries from all over the place, putting us on the map. He is really bringing the local football community together.

The TD and another local boy, also a NTC coach, are already better coach educators than David. They will be amongst the best in Australia in a short period of time, both being fast learners and aided by the Australian under 20 assistant coach, another locally based FFA coach (NTC) and coach educator.

I can imagine David considering number 10s as grafters. I think he is wrong. They should have defensive capabilities as well as attacking capabilities, but essentially they are like Wesley Schneijder.

The way the local coaches coach, with the SAP instructor in particular, they believe in making players solve problems for themselves. This would apply to that number 10 role, also recognising a player like Nick Carle, also needs to perform defensive duties, and, needs just to take one or two touches on occasions.

Edited by Decentric: 16/12/2012 08:38:40 PM
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dirkvanadidas wrote:
At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's

He found attacking #10s he liked very much but david did not want them.
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At he state conference, he was lamenting at the lack of numbers 10's

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MidfieldMaestro wrote:
spathi wrote:
krones3 wrote:
MidfieldMaestro wrote:
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Is the number ten a grafter or an Intelligent player who disappears when possession is lost in order to steal the intercept and be free for attack when possession is regained.
I think David abela would see every player as a grafter.
But there are many #10 who don't graft but are very effective.


I saw both types of #10's during the week, both with varying degrees of success.

What was david's #10 like?



Grafter


Yeah, this, as per my post on the previous page (in case you haven't seen it yet).

no i don't think, i have but i thought that would be the case.
Seems to be in contrast with Peter de roo in this position but i guess they can not agree on everything.
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spathi wrote:
krones3 wrote:
MidfieldMaestro wrote:
krones3 wrote:
Is the number ten a grafter or an Intelligent player who disappears when possession is lost in order to steal the intercept and be free for attack when possession is regained.
I think David abela would see every player as a grafter.
But there are many #10 who don't graft but are very effective.


I saw both types of #10's during the week, both with varying degrees of success.

What was david's #10 like?



Grafter


Yeah, this, as per my post on the previous page (in case you haven't seen it yet).
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krones3 wrote:
MidfieldMaestro wrote:
krones3 wrote:
Is the number ten a grafter or an Intelligent player who disappears when possession is lost in order to steal the intercept and be free for attack when possession is regained.
I think David abela would see every player as a grafter.
But there are many #10 who don't graft but are very effective.


I saw both types of #10's during the week, both with varying degrees of success.

What was david's #10 like?



Grafter
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krones3 wrote:
Is the number ten a grafter or an Intelligent player who disappears when possession is lost in order to steal the intercept and be free for attack when possession is regained.
I think David abela would see every player as a grafter.
But there are many #10 who don't graft but are very effective.


I saw both types of #10's during the week, both with varying degrees of success.

What was david's #10 like?
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krones3 wrote:
Is the number ten a grafter or an Intelligent player who disappears when possession is lost in order to steal the intercept and be free for attack when possession is regained.
I think David abela would see every player as a grafter.
But there are many #10 who don't graft but are very effective.


I saw both types of #10's during the week, both with varying degrees of success.
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Is the number ten a grafter or an Intelligent player who disappears when possession is lost in order to steal the intercept and be free for attack when possession is regained.
I think David abela would see every player as a grafter.
But there are many #10 who don't graft but are very effective.
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