good to see this discussion is elevating to an intelectual level

Intellectual

Only if they could get close enough. Problem is, ostriches are seriously dumb.

lol Wild Turkey 101 doesn't help :

As someone old enough to have been to Middle Park (pre NSL) to watch Hellas play Footscray JUST i can tell you as a young Aussie in amongst the "Ethnics" i never ever once felt Threatened ,nor was was there any hint of violence , it does seem this sort of rubbish started with the second generation ,using football clubs to air their political views.
Interesting that apon the collapse of the NSL, the tension was transfered to the Tennis .
But rather than find the morons who were behind the violence ,it was far easier to just go after the football clubs.
Lets hope the next generation will be focused on football , and not on what has gone before .

Edited by jg: 14/2/2013 01:04:38 AM

Oh ,and how i spell or put a sentence together should not detract from the intent of the post.

You've been sucked in by media lies. You see for yourself first hand reality but you
Believe what they want you to believe. Been to a Hellas game. More
Bogan than I tbh. Don't believe the garbage.

If you were to combine that entire wing, it would struggle to fill 1 bay.

The Heart crowd figures are certainly lower than stated, take about 2000 people off their crowd figures and that will be more accurate.

The Heart kids are open about their sexuality.

Yarraside are a good group of supporters. Have every respect for them. The path is already set for South Melbourne to enter the A-League, regardless of whether Heart drops or not. It has to be on their merit.

:-k

To be fair Axel - we had a good look around and estimated the crowd at around 6000, so the official numbers didn't seem too wrong. There was a disproportionate number behind the far goal though - which was the point that was originally being argued.

Edited by Benjamin: 14/2/2013 08:48:29 AM

Before you mean in 2005, well I'm affraid that's pretty recent when considering the issues are about waring factions from their homeland. You don't forget it over a few years.

To answer your first question, yes I'm one that has been to both Middle Park and Schnintler Reserve at Footscray numerous times. The Footscray JUST ground had a 6 foot perimeter fence with barb wire to control the spectators. How nice of the mono ethnic club, hey.

The waring nation for JUST was Croatia, or Melbourne Croatia as it was later called then they were forced to remove the foreign name to be called Melb Knights. In fact, as matter of record you realize that the Croatian club was disqualified from participating in any football by then the VSF due to excessive violence against JUST at Olympic Park. Many were hurt and even police horses were stabbed. When they bough out USC Lions and returned to football and decades later they still fought for the sake of their homeland. Poor ol' Bobby Depostovski, officials, police and even the bus driver will tell you about the attacks.

Now SM Hellas leaves the NSL with chants of Hellas and nationalistic fever still well entrenched. You'd think since they were out of the limelight that they'd behave, but no. Together with their waring partner Preston Macedonia of which there has been extreme animosity between the two nations, the violence continued.

Trust this brief and factual history lesson for any newbies helps.

Edited by paulc: 14/2/2013 10:22:02 AM

Mate, i don't know what your problem is but do not make up lies and sprinkle it with a touch of truth to make you whole argument sound like fact.

There was never barbed wire at shintler reserve. I watched many games there.
It was the VSF and not the QSF that kicked out essondon croatia in the 70's.
You make it sound like it was a war zone every week. I have been supporting the game since 1975 and have gone to all of South's games since then and have never seen most of the garbadge to talk about.

The one fact i will leave you with is in 2006 sitting in the South Melbourne Police Station in preperation for thr VPL grand final there was 3 people from the FFV, reps from the security company and a South Melb FC board member plus 3 of us from the supporters group. Also there were the Police officers that were to be incharge on that day.

One of the most surprising things that the officer incharge of that meeting said to all of us about the 2005 game you refer to is that and i will quote him " for all the media hype and drama around that game, there was not one punch thrown or one person hurt".
His name is Snr Constable David Jones.

I have been talking my kids to games from when they were 4 or 5 and have no problem doing so.
You might be able to fool a few people because you sprinkle in some little facts with your big lies but you will be caught out eventually.

You are worse than the AFL media here in Australia because you claim to love the game. Shame on you.

How many people died during the NSL Paul?

you make things sound so bloody serious

I do not recall even a bone being broken or even seeing a black eye

What I do recall is a lot of misguided kids using football as an excuse to vent their ill focused nationalistic pride

What I see today is a lot of misguided kids using football as an excuse to vent their ill focused territorial pride - worst still the kids today break seats - throw computers through shop windows - organise meeting places to combat with rivals outside in society and away from the game - attack another fan group in the terraces - the list goes on

the only way to eradicate that behavior would be to eradicate fan groups or split them up in the terraces - but the down side would be that the atmosphere would be tempered to a level where you may feel like you are at a lawn bowls match and OUR game is built on atmospheric pressure more than any other game in the world - it is unique and chanting will always be a part of this game

Today you have south Australians wearing a KICK a VIC T-shirt to the game

Point is kids here will try to emulate whats going on overseas with fan groups and are willing to use any excuse to produce a certain type of atmosphere - how they do it depends on the circumstances

Put simply - transition from NSL to HAL has not tempered certain behavioral issues

Moving forward Paul - all clubs need to articulate their code of conduct and administer a clear set of guidelines as to how individuals will be dealt with if they step outside of these rules

Media will always protect AFL and Cricket in this country - its just the way things are

So why aren't many families going to watch the Melbourne Heart?

the vast majority of the small audience are kids

The whole idea of this club was to tap into the football community in this city - yet they seem to be attracting 1 segment and and extremely low spend segment at that

Who says? You? If you're going to make statements as if they are fact, you should link to the proof.



You speak as if you're qualified in strategic marketing. Are you?

chris, you've got a track record of spinning shit. You may feel like you're promoting SMFC but, in fact, you're tarnishing their good name. There's been some good discussion which could've been condensed into two pages, but that's about it.

I feel ashamed to have contributed to this pathetic thread, but seriously: y'all need to get a life. That includes the MV trolls, MH butthurts, and closet xenophobes. Apologies if I've forgotten anyone! :lol:

Don't get petty. The was a wire fence 1.8m to 2 m high around the perimeter of the pitch to keep spectators away and at one stage the was even a barb wire or two at the top. Pretty damning even without the barb wire wouldn't you say?

Obviously the QSF thing was a typo and you are wrong about the dates when Croatia Soccer Club (not Essendon Croatia) was kicked out due to persistent violence, it was in the late 60's and and they didn't become Essendon Croatia until the early/mid 70's. The point is the issues of waring nations from abroad continued although obviously not as bad the knifings etc. Re the game Hellas vs Macedonia recently, the reports referred to violence which means it doesn't necessarily restrict it to physical injury but is inclusive of aggressive behaviour, throwing objects at each other and destruction of property. Have a read of the report.

The denials of the mono ethnic tensions are extraordinary.

Edited by paulc: 14/2/2013 12:43:26 PM

Here is an article written by a Greek, Jim Shomos in April 2012.

Jim was an NSL player for Heidelberg and SM Hellas.



Spectators fighting and damaging local businesses = violence = SM Hellas

More denials you malakas? :lol:

Edited by paulc: 14/2/2013 12:54:47 PM

Last commented 6 pages ago... glad I haven't missed anything.

I get the feeling this thread is gonna be like 'Neighbours'. You can dip in and out and come back to it in a few months without needing to worry about not following the stroyline.

On this has Dr Karl Kennedy banged another young hottie lately?

paulc has fucked intelligent conversation, that's about as close as we'll get.

Bring back SMH & Olympic - we need Yeeros & Soulaki at game venue's... :oops:

The person who wrote that is not greek and he does not speak a word of greek. Not that that means anything to me but you are using it as justification for your argument.
His views on thing soccer related in australia are his version of things and he and i have had many arguments about what happened then and what is happening now. He like you do not know what is going on at South today and have your minds fixed in the past.

The incident mentioned about the local business damage was not due to South fans. We won that game against the knights and won well. We were all on a hight so why would happy people do that? it doesn't make sense.
Again you use hear say and media beat ups to try to justyfy your arguments.

It's sad that you can't see the overwhelming evidence from various sources.

SM Hellas will NEVER reform unless it stops going into denial and want business as usual.

Jim Shomos called it as it os and is spot on.

It's interesting that you quoted his name again. It gives me an idea of who you are.
Now i can understand where you are coming from i can deal with why you are so full of it. Thanks again. Hope the operations have gone well.

Oh dear. You're in denial again[-x

No i mean late 1960's , pre NSL when there was no national comp .was kind of before the whole break up occured .

By assumption you and your comrades are logical?PLEASE!

That Nicholas Cage gif has been done! See? You just keep recycling the same crap over and over again!
Benjamin has even admitted to it, he has "selective answering", it's a condition where you ignore all reasonable arguments and only argue the less important crap.