4-3-3 with a false 9


4-3-3 with a false 9

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Due to recently watching Melbourne Victory play this system and not knowing much about it would like to learn more?

My first question is why are Archie and Rojas staying in such wide attacking zones against Melbourne Heart?, I know in a traditional 4-3-3 that the 7 and 11 should be narrower than traditional wingers allowing the fullbaks to overlap and utilise the space out wide. As Archie and Rojas stayed in such wide attacking positions it seemed to me that they were closed down very easily, Or(especially rojas) putting useless crosses into the box with noone there.



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Part of playing with a false 9 is that there is a strong involvement of the other runners (7, 8, 10, 11) and reliance on them getting in the right positions (in behind the defence, in front of the 9).

Because the 9 doesn't play at the top and is more likely to drop when the ball starts reaching the final third, these other players need to be available as the strikers. If wingers are coming in wide and looking to deliver crosses, ideally there should be at least one of the 8 or 10 running in to receive, perhaps the 9 also available as a late option (i.e. the normal purpose of the 8).

One of the other ideas is that, because the 9 is dropping off the defensive line, he/she'll pull away defenders and allow those wingers (and other midfielders) space to attack. This is where attacking fullbacks also make runs to occupy the defending fullbacks and allow the wingers to "peel off" their opponent.

I've never considered it too much, but it would all seem to revolve (more or less) around understanding the positional movement of your teammates, though Victory's wingers (Rojas/Archie/Nabbout) seem to have a bit less tactical instruction and are playing more by instinct. Particularly in Archie's case, seeing as his role hasn't changed a great deal.
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At the games I have been at it appears to me that Ange is actually playing a 1-4-2-2-2 formation.

With effectively two No. 6's and two No. 10's with no No.9 Thompson and Rojas play the 11 and 7 sometimes swapping or even coming into the No.9 position by themselves or together.

While the Finkler/Flores combination is interesting in that the players are both No. 10's though they will at times individually or together act as a No. 9 or 9's, when that happens Rojas and Thompson are in their wide roles.

The 6 & 8 are effectively supporting the defence in a covering and supporting the attack like box to box midfielders, Milligan being very effective in this role while Ange is having problems in finding a partner for Milligan.

With no wide midfielders the Full backs are expected to advance forward to support the midfield and the attack. Currently Traore is doing well in this role the problem is on the right where Ferreira currently holds the right back spot.

Hence the talk of releasing players and recruiting replacements, those replacements would have to be a right back, a defensive midfielder as priority and support players for centre back positions and midfield and up forward.

I do know that a lot of youth players are being looked at with two prominent recruits at youth level in the Brisbane lad and a Vic lad. I think Ange's stratergy is to have players with the potential to move into the senior team at short notice even if they are young to give him greater squad strength moving forward.


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We certainly haven't touched on this in FFA or KNVB coaching courses.

Just like withdrawing the number 9 more permanently as a second number 10.

I notice Victory often manifests as the 1-4-2-4 in attack, when the number 9 and 10 form more of an attacking line in offence.

Often one of the shadow strikers/strikers assumes a role as the trailing midfielder to pick up second balls.
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Steelinho wrote:
Part of playing with a false 9 is that there is a strong involvement of the other runners (7, 8, 10, 11) and reliance on them getting in the right positions (in behind the defence, in front of the 9).

Because the 9 doesn't play at the top and is more likely to drop when the ball starts reaching the final third, these other players need to be available as the strikers. If wingers are coming in wide and looking to deliver crosses, ideally there should be at least one of the 8 or 10 running in to receive, perhaps the 9 also available as a late option (i.e. the normal purpose of the 8).

One of the other ideas is that, because the 9 is dropping off the defensive line, he/she'll pull away defenders and allow those wingers (and other midfielders) space to attack. This is where attacking fullbacks also make runs to occupy the defending fullbacks and allow the wingers to "peel off" their opponent.

I've never considered it too much, but it would all seem to revolve (more or less) around understanding the positional movement of your teammates, though Victory's wingers (Rojas/Archie/Nabbout) seem to have a bit less tactical instruction and are playing more by instinct. Particularly in Archie's case, seeing as his role hasn't changed a great deal.



Phil Moss, Mariners' assistant coach, addressed the Tassie C Licence course this weekend. Yesterday morning we were able to ask him about the game against Victory in Launceston, which the course participants watched as a group.

PM said that the 1-4-3-3 with the false nine, was difficult to play against. He said that CCM's CBs were often caught in a dilemma about whether to go forwards to mark Flores, pulling the zonal defensive structure out of shape.

Conversely, CCM could stay back, keeping a zonal defence and compact shape, but at the same time, giving Flores time to turn and face the CCM. Then CCM contended he could be deadly with his killer passes and defence splitting passes.

CCM also had to deal with Archie and Rojas, who PM said can be very difficult to mark and play against. I think Flores' goal was the classic cutback to the trailing midfielder.
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Decentric wrote:
Steelinho wrote:
Part of playing with a false 9 is that there is a strong involvement of the other runners (7, 8, 10, 11) and reliance on them getting in the right positions (in behind the defence, in front of the 9).

Because the 9 doesn't play at the top and is more likely to drop when the ball starts reaching the final third, these other players need to be available as the strikers. If wingers are coming in wide and looking to deliver crosses, ideally there should be at least one of the 8 or 10 running in to receive, perhaps the 9 also available as a late option (i.e. the normal purpose of the 8).

One of the other ideas is that, because the 9 is dropping off the defensive line, he/she'll pull away defenders and allow those wingers (and other midfielders) space to attack. This is where attacking fullbacks also make runs to occupy the defending fullbacks and allow the wingers to "peel off" their opponent.

I've never considered it too much, but it would all seem to revolve (more or less) around understanding the positional movement of your teammates, though Victory's wingers (Rojas/Archie/Nabbout) seem to have a bit less tactical instruction and are playing more by instinct. Particularly in Archie's case, seeing as his role hasn't changed a great deal.



Phil Moss, Mariners' assistant coach, addressed the Tassie C Licence course this weekend. Yesterday morning we were able to ask him about the game against Victory in Launceston, which the course participants watched as a group.

PM said that the 1-4-3-3 with the false nine, was difficult to play against. He said that CCM's CBs were often caught in a dilemma about whether to go forwards to mark Flores, pulling the zonal defensive structure out of shape.

Conversely, CCM could stay back, keeping a zonal defence and compact shape, but at the same time, giving Flores time to turn and face the CCM. Then CCM contended he could be deadly with his killer passes and defence splitting passes.

CCM also had to deal with Archie and Rojas, who PM said can be very difficult to mark and play against. I think Flores' goal was the classic cutback to the trailing midfielder.

Bullshit
Victory played the man in space, widened the field of play, attacked in number, pushed the CCM back into their own half, passed around the back line with patience, and it worked perfectly.
It was team work and pressing not a false nine that ccm could not contend with.

Edited by krones3: 14/1/2013 06:35:56 PM
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