What about that scene in the jail cell with Joaquin Phoenix on the Master?

Lots of loud swearing in that scene!

Agree entirely. Hoffman had been on and off the wagon for years. The moment I head he was dead I figured it was an OD. Great actor, but a junkie is a junkie.

Can't say I'm surprised the DT showed their usual lack of class though.

Wonderful character actor. RIP.

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Looks like your typical family man. Surprised he was a druggo. Ohh well.

WTF is going to happen in the Hunger Games?! He plays one of the man characters in the 3rd film!

Has it been filmed yet, or are they just going to have to rework it?

He apparently had only a week left of shooting left on Part 2 and apparently his death won't mean any delay in the release of either film

Dead people don't care that they are dead. The ones left behind do.

Posthumous best supporting actor Oscar

I think that's harsh. I think we could spare a bit of sympathy for a bloke who couldn't get on top of his addiction.

Heroin is quite clearly the most dangerous addiction

Believe it or not, it's not. Alcohol and gambling I would say are the top two. Heroin I'd say is in a 2-way fight at the moment with Meth.

Krokodil beats all.

The rise of Krokodil is quite concerning. Now especially that's it's gaining popularity in America.

*If it killed Jim Morrison it's not to be trifled with

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IMO that's a pretty awful way of looking at it.

Why?

I genuinely can't believe you can't see it.

Let's take a hypothetical scenario: 4 year old girl runs onto the road, trips over, is run over. Your view on this is you just forget the little girl whatsoever. No thoughts of "that poor thing, she had so long to live and was taken too soon. An accident has prevented that girl from living her full life. Etc" and all you think (as you've indicated in the above posts) is "those poor parents. Their child was taken from them way too young. I feel no feelings for the girl herself, because she is dead and therefore does not care what I think".

You can't see how disgusting that view is?

Key difference is that the little girl wasn't dancing in traffic on a regular basis, inviting the hit. Hoffman was.

Can't buy into that one. Someone who dies through natural causes, at an early age, is deserving of sympathy. Someone who dies doing 'the right thing' definitely deserves sympathy. Paul Walker or Philip Seymour Hoffman, doing something stupid and not surviving, no sympathy.

I agree

I was using the example to highlight how disgusting I thought notor's views on death in general, not just "Hoffman-style" death, is. I'm in total agreeance with you Benj

Notor, if your daughter was kidnapped, tortured and killed tomorrow, and a friend of yours said that they felt sorry for her. Would you really be in a position to disagree with what they're saying?

IMO, it's emotionally healthy to express sympathy and so why not express it in cases of death, even if it does nothing to emotionally support the victim? It does no harm really.

Just looked it up. Never heard of till now. Is it getting big here?

The nature of addiction is such that he was unable to control his dancing in traffic.

I think that still deserves sympathy.

Edited by thupercoach: 4/2/2014 10:41:21 AM

Personally, I'm not a big fan of feeling completely sympathetic towards people addicted to things that are or were totally in their control. Particularly movie stars with drugs. There are definately exceptions, but for the most part I can't help but think they deserve it. I do feel somewhat sympathetic, but moreso I just feel like they got what was brought onto them by themselves.

My take on it is it was incredibly selfish of him and he can only have himself to blame for his death, but this doesn't mean that I dont have sympathy for the fact he got addicted in the first place and couldnt beat it.

I feel sympathetic for the fact that he had a great career, brilliant talent and a young family. On one had I think it's a waste and on the other it's a tragedy as I believe all human life is precious.

Edited by Alex-S: 4/2/2014 11:34:37 AM

I know where you're coming from but by nature addiction is outside a person's control. He may well have done countless rehab stints, who knows.

He's been in and out of rehab for the last decade. Addiction isn't outside a person's control. An addict makes a conscientious choice to consume their vice. Like...no shit, they've never heard anything bad about heroin before and just thought they'd give it a go?