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Quote:Ausflag unveils new Aussie flag to be used at sporting events by: PATRICK LION - POLITICAL REPORTER From: News Limited Network January 24, 2013 9:44PM  A HIGH-powered alliance of top Australians has unveiled a new national sporting flag and plans to use it to gatecrash major sporting events. Ausflag will push for sporting bodies and fans to embrace the green, gold, blue and white flag - still featuring the Southern Cross - and even want it to be raised as the official flag in Olympic Games medal ceremonies. The not-for-profit group's directors include businesswoman Janet Holmes a Court, former Australian of The Year Patrick McGorry, television journalist Ray Martin and author and former Wallaby Peter FitzSimons. The new flag is pitched at sporting events only, but the group hopes to use it to help change attitudes and eventually knock the Union Jack off the official flag with another design. It is pointing at Fiji's recent moves to change its flag and the recent debacle at the London Olympics when Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand all shared the podium looking almost identical with the Union Jack on their flags. . "Britain, Little Britain and Littler Britain," Ausflag chairman and former NSW Nationals MP Robert Webster said. Mr Webster, who compares the Union Jack's placement to Google letting Apple feature in its advertising, said there was a reluctance to wave the official flag at events and fans instead used inflatable kangaroos. "This new design is a sporting flag, but our aim eventually is to change the Australian flag," he said. But the Australian National Flag Association, which supports the current design, said it was a shame that each national day triggered a call for a new flag. "It's unnecessary," ANFA spokesman Bert Lane said. "Even from a sporting point of view, we have had athletes going to the Olympics every time with this current flag." Ausflag is calling for sponsors to help bankroll promotions and distribution and plans to roll it out at major international sporting events such as cricket, tennis, rugby league and rugby union.Martin said the directors all had their own opinions on the best flag design but the end concept had their main points of agreement no Union Jack and the presence of green and gold. "I'm just tired of Australians wrapping themselves in the Australian flag and all you can see is the Union Jack," he said. Mrs Holmes a Court said the group had some money but would soon move to a campaign mode. "It would be lovely if we had a flag of our own that doesn't reference anybody else's flag," she said. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/ausflag-unveils-new-aussie-flag-to-be-used-at-sporting-events/story-fncynkc6-1226561280074
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Sometimes feel we are like the baby that doesn't want to change its nappy , i think we have outgrown the Union Jack in our flag , but the reluctance of many to change is very similar to when we changed our national anthem. Like it or not ,its at least ours .(the anthem). I am old enough to remember when "God save the Queen" was our National Anthem, and was sung with no enthusiasm by most. Changing the flag will not bring down the country , nor will it solve any problems we have , but once its done , it will be the non-issue it should be.
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It's just a way of reminding Nauru that they're our bitch.
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afromanGT wrote:It's just a way of reminding Nauru that they're our bitch. or we are still Englands bitch
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jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:It's just a way of reminding Nauru that they're our bitch. or we are still Englands bitch How does that new flag pertain to england?
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afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:It's just a way of reminding Nauru that they're our bitch. or we are still Englands bitch How does that new flag pertain to england? Am refering to our flag now with union jack in it .
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jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:It's just a way of reminding Nauru that they're our bitch. or we are still Englands bitch How does that new flag pertain to england? Am refering to our flag now with union jack in it . Far-be-it for us to associate with our cultural heritage.
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afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:It's just a way of reminding Nauru that they're our bitch. or we are still Englands bitch How does that new flag pertain to england? Am refering to our flag now with union jack in it . Far-be-it for us to associate with our cultural heritage. Am not too sure why removing the Union Jack from our flag will deny our cultural heritage , but i guess we will have to agree to disagree .
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It's a symbol of our heritage, and not just that but our achievements for the last century (And then some). People who want to change the flag should be shot for treason.
It's like they're ashamed of where they're from.
Edited by afromanGT: 25/1/2013 02:12:06 AM
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afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:It's just a way of reminding Nauru that they're our bitch. or we are still Englands bitch How does that new flag pertain to england? Am refering to our flag now with union jack in it . Far-be-it for us to associate with our cultural heritage. speak for yourself Would love to see Australia become a republic, new flag would be a good start. That one is pretty ugly though Edited by jparraga: 25/1/2013 02:14:03 AM
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jparraga wrote:afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:It's just a way of reminding Nauru that they're our bitch. or we are still Englands bitch How does that new flag pertain to england? Am refering to our flag now with union jack in it . Far-be-it for us to associate with our cultural heritage. speak for yourself Would love to see Australia become a republic, new flag would be a good start. That one is pretty ugly though Edited by jparraga: 25/1/2013 02:14:03 AM No buddy, I'm speaking for the country. We were founded as a British colony, we speak English and we took our legal and political (along with various other social conventions) from British culture.
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All the things you've mentioned could also be said about nations such as the USA and Canada.
Australia's cultural heritage is rich with multiculturalism, just as our culture is today. Think it's time our flag represented this
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Quote:All the things you've mentioned could also be said about nations such as the USA and Canada. I'm not sure the USA as an example, they're a mess of a country right now. And as for Canada, they have the added complexity of Quebec separatists, french occupation and it being buttfuckingly cold 9 months of the year. Australia is a unique situation. We've drawn so much of our social identity from British influence, to just throw away something that symbolises not only that but everything our country has stood for and achieved over the last 100 years is an aberration. The people demanding the flag be changed are just another case of the PC Brigade going too far once again. How do you advertise a country's flag demonstrate multiculturalism? Make it a Magic-eye patchwork quilt of the world's flags where if you stare at it long enough you see Warney holding a VB riding Phar Lap? A counrty's flag doesn't define or demonstrate its multiculturalism, its people do.
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This will do for me (for sporting events)...
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Joffa wrote:This will do me...  I like this one.
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:All the things you've mentioned could also be said about nations such as the USA and Canada. I'm not sure the USA as an example, they're a mess of a country right now. And as for Canada, they have the added complexity of Quebec separatists, french occupation and it being buttfuckingly cold 9 months of the year. Australia is a unique situation. We've drawn so much of our social identity from British influence, to just throw away something that symbolises not only that but everything our country has stood for and achieved over the last 100 years is an aberration. The people demanding the flag be changed are just another case of the PC Brigade going too far once again. How do you advertise a country's flag demonstrate multiculturalism? Make it a Magic-eye patchwork quilt of the world's flags where if you stare at it long enough you see Warney holding a VB riding Phar Lap? A counrty's flag doesn't define or demonstrate its multiculturalism, its people do. Well said.
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but if we seperate from england, we don't get a long weekend in june anymore!
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afromanGT wrote:It's a symbol of our heritage, and not just that but our achievements for the last century (And then some). People who want to change the flag should be shot for treason.
It's like they're ashamed of where they're from.
Edited by afromanGT: 25/1/2013 02:12:06 AM Seriously , shot for treason . By that logic half of Australia would have been shot when we changed our national anthem .
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jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:jg wrote:afromanGT wrote:It's just a way of reminding Nauru that they're our bitch. or we are still Englands bitch How does that new flag pertain to england? Am refering to our flag now with union jack in it . Far-be-it for us to associate with our cultural heritage. Am not too sure why removing the Union Jack from our flag will deny our cultural heritage , but i guess we will have to agree to disagree . If you look closely, afromanGT has changed his original stance to directly counter your own after he clarified what your stance on the flag was. He's not having anything coming close to a meaningful and reasoned debate with you. Just a ffriendly PSA from your ffriendly neighbourhood Notorgani .
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Saw this on morning TV. 88% voted 'no' Thank god.
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pv4 wrote:but if we seperate from england, we don't get a long weekend in june anymore! Independence day?
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Would not be too disapointed to see the Union Jack removed from our flag. That particular one doesn't look very good though. Plus, as some one pointed out, we already have a flag for sporting events and it's the boxing kangaroo.
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Fuk yer, Straya mate! Aussie flags haggin out me car window!
To me the UJ represents one of the most repressive regimes that have ever existed. Yes they founded this land, the dutch unfortunately (for them) founding the wrong side first. And so began the raping and pillaging of all the native peoples. So proud it brings a tear to my eye.
Should they change the flag? I honestly dont care as nothing changes history.
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How much does a flag actually matter, in the grand scheme of things?
In this nation we still have mass inequality between the indigenous population and mainstream Australia, lawful discrimination against homosexuals in both marriage and workplaces, an ever increasing wage gap between rich/poor & male/female and an irrationally hysterical fear of immigrants - just to name a couple of things that I can think of that could be addressed before getting too excited about a new flag.
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Of course Australians don't like to be reminded of their history. They're convicts. I wouldn't want to be reminded either. God save your Queen!
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:Of course Australians don't like to be reminded of their history. They're convicts. I wouldn't want to be reminded either. God save your Queen! Ridiculous sweeping generalisation there.
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:Of course Australians don't like to be reminded of their history. They're convicts. I wouldn't want to be reminded either. God save your Queen! That's sickening
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That new flag is an abomination. Some Australians are way too insecure about what other people think about them
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I say we compromise, make the union jack green and gold and piss off all parties.
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lukerobinho wrote:KenGooner_GCU wrote:Of course Australians don't like to be reminded of their history. They're convicts. I wouldn't want to be reminded either. God save your Queen! That's sickening lukerobinho wrote:Some Australians are way too insecure about what other people think about them :-k
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I'm quite happy with our national flag and don't have any cultural cringe about the Union Jack being a significant part of it, and English is only a very small part of my heritage (I'd argue I'm about one sixteenth English, and that's a long way back - I'm also a mix of about three or four other very geographically and cultrally dispersed countries). I am happy our flag quite clearly represents a part of our history and without the English, and indeed other British heritage, we'd be an entirely different country, socially, economically, politically, legally etc. Maybe we'd be better, maybe we'd be worse, but the fact is our British history and many of the things we have inherited from that particular country is nothing to be ashamed of and indeed is something to celebrate. Sure, there are aspects of the British link that aren't the best, but that would have been the case if we had been brought into modernity by any other colonial power of the 18th century, whether that be the French, Dutch, Spanish or others.
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If we are going to ever change the flag, just make it the Aboriginal flag, it'd make sense, and it's logical.
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Foolem. >Big Smile! wrote:If we are going to ever change the flag, just make it the Aboriginal flag, it'd make sense, and it's logical. Why would you change the flag because it "doesn't represent Australian values" to another flag which only represents a small cross-section of Australian society?
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that flag is hideous
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I like it.
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afromanGT wrote:KenGooner_GCU wrote:Of course Australians don't like to be reminded of their history. They're convicts. I wouldn't want to be reminded either. God save your Queen! Ridiculous sweeping generalisation there. Not to mention that most of them were convicted for the pettiest of the petty, such as stealing a bread roll to feed their kids :lol:
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Like it or not, our country was founded by the British, yes the Aboriginals were here first but it was the British who made our continent into a recognised country, our political and legal systems are derived from the British, we speak English and much of our modern culture is derived in some way from British society.
Obviously our society has evolved significantly since we were first settled by the British, multiculturalism has come in and evolved our society as well, etc etc etc, but at the end of the day the republicans can never whitewash our history. The Union Jack is a nod to our past, which is what a country's flag is meant to be anyway, tens of thousands of diggers have died under that flag, it's a non-issue for the vast majority of the population, so just get on with it people!
How about we worry about the real issues for fuck sake!
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afromanGT wrote:The people demanding the flag be changed are just another case of the PC Brigade going too far once again.
How do you advertise a country's flag demonstrate multiculturalism? Make it a Magic-eye patchwork quilt of the world's flags where if you stare at it long enough you see Warney holding a VB riding Phar Lap? =d> =d> Terrible idea to change the flag, for sporting events or for good. Can we please keep some traditional culture/values, not just change for the sake of change? Some (or most, depending what you believe) is still good, valid and worthwhile.
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ual wrote:afromanGT wrote:KenGooner_GCU wrote:Of course Australians don't like to be reminded of their history. They're convicts. I wouldn't want to be reminded either. God save your Queen! Ridiculous sweeping generalisation there. Not to mention that most of them were convicted for the pettiest of the petty, such as stealing a bread roll to feed their kids :lol: Not entirely true. Cheap gin was huge in poorer areas of London and the result was a huge amount of petty crime. Having said that, yes, most crimes which warranted transportation were property offences. I'm pretty sure Irish convicts would have been most likely to be in the position you've described due to the Irish famine. There's a song about it I think, low lie the fields of athenry. I still like seeing Australians tie themselves in knots when the subject is raised. "The clever ones got themselves sent to Australia" is one response I've heard. Hmmmm... Honestly, as a pommie, you just don't bring it up because Australians (or at least Gold Coasters who are mainly thick as arseholes anyway), despite this apparent love of banter, get really offended by it. We get the flak for all the ills of the world, you lot get offended when people tell you that your great, great grandad was a convict. Regardless, I don't see the point in a change of flag or the idea of republicanism. It's a waste of time, money and thinking which should be better used on the current crop of problems facing this country. Rev is right, when we're talking about a nation's heritage: let history be history. Don't walk away from it.
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these Kangaroos can play football - Ange P. (Intercontinental WC Play-offs 2017)
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:ual wrote:afromanGT wrote:KenGooner_GCU wrote:Of course Australians don't like to be reminded of their history. They're convicts. I wouldn't want to be reminded either. God save your Queen! Ridiculous sweeping generalisation there. Not to mention that most of them were convicted for the pettiest of the petty, such as stealing a bread roll to feed their kids :lol: Not entirely true. Cheap gin was huge in poorer areas of London and the result was a huge amount of petty crime. Having said that, yes, most crimes which warranted transportation were property offences. I'm pretty sure Irish convicts would have been most likely to be in the position you've described due to the Irish famine. There's a song about it I think, low lie the fields of athenry. I still like seeing Australians tie themselves in knots when the subject is raised. "The clever ones got themselves sent to Australia" is one response I've heard. Hmmmm... Honestly, as a pommie, you just don't bring it up because Australians (or at least Gold Coasters who are mainly thick as arseholes anyway), despite this apparent love of banter, get really offended by it. We get the flak for all the ills of the world, you lot get offended when people tell you that your great, great grandad was a convict. Regardless, I don't see the point in a change of flag or the idea of republicanism. It's a waste of time, money and thinking which should be better used on the current crop of problems facing this country. Rev is right, when we're talking about a nation's heritage: let history be history. Don't walk away from it. Personally, I don't care in the slightest that Australia was colonised by convicts. Both sides of my family came here on their own accord a few generations back (Mum has done a shit load of research with her sister) so it doesn't even apply to me ;)
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This would be the only new flag I'd support
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toffeeAU wrote:afromanGT wrote:The people demanding the flag be changed are just another case of the PC Brigade going too far once again.
How do you advertise a country's flag demonstrate multiculturalism? Make it a Magic-eye patchwork quilt of the world's flags where if you stare at it long enough you see Warney holding a VB riding Phar Lap? =d> =d> Terrible idea to change the flag, for sporting events or for good. Can we please keep some traditional culture/values, not just change for the sake of change? Some (or most, depending what you believe) is still good, valid and worthwhile. We're so determined to show the world how progressive and ready for 'change' we are, we're destroying what made our nation great in the first place. Countries change, but that doesn't mean that everything that identifies them has to. For the first time ever, London has a higher populace that identifies themselves as "black british" rather than "white british", but you don't see them changing the Union Jack.
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"Imperialism and genocide made our nation great" - AfromanGT
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notorganic wrote:"Imperialism and genocide made our nation great" - AfromanGT Yeah, those two things exclusively. Australia has been nothing but genocide and imperialism. :-s
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notorganic wrote:"Imperialism and genocide made our nation great" - AfromanGT All British are slave driving imperialists and we should remove any trace of them from our history. - Notorganic Funny, it's kind of what Chairman Mao was thinking when he obliterated his nation's historical artefacts. This was widely regarded as a bad move.
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:notorganic wrote:"Imperialism and genocide made our nation great" - AfromanGT All British are slave driving imperialists and we should remove any trace of them from our history. - Notorganic Funny, it's kind of what Chairman Mao was thinking when he obliterated his nation's historical artefacts. This was widely regarded as a bad move. Oh really? I thought he was driven by Atheism.
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I always thought Mao was raised a Buddhist. :?
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afromanGT wrote:
How do you advertise a country's flag demonstrate multiculturalism? Make it a Magic-eye patchwork quilt of the world's flags where if you stare at it long enough you see Warney holding a VB riding Phar Lap?
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afromanGT wrote:
Countries change, but that doesn't mean that everything that identifies them has to. For the first time ever, London has a higher populace that identifies themselves as "black british" rather than "white british", but you don't see them changing the Union Jack.
I thought that it was all other ethnic groups together now have a higher populace then white british in London.
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Aussie4ever4 wrote:afromanGT wrote:
Countries change, but that doesn't mean that everything that identifies them has to. For the first time ever, London has a higher populace that identifies themselves as "black british" rather than "white british", but you don't see them changing the Union Jack.
I thought that it was all other ethnic groups together now have a higher populace then white british in London. Yeah, you could probably interpret it that way. I guess my memory of the article was a bit hazy. This isn't the original article I read...I read something from The Observer, but it's a similar article. The Australian wrote: London was found to be the most ethnically diverse region, and Wales the least. More than a third of London residents were born abroad and almost a quarter are not British citizens. London is the first region where white British people have become a minority. About 3.7 million people in the city described themselves as white British compared with 58 per cent, or 4.3 million, in 2001. London's overall population is currently 8,174,100. Edited by afromanGT: 27/1/2013 07:15:51 PM
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All good, London is so populated lol.
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Really guys? To me, this and the republican debate, are the most pointless posssible in Australian politics, neither have any real effect on anything.
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notorganic wrote:KenGooner_GCU wrote:notorganic wrote:"Imperialism and genocide made our nation great" - AfromanGT All British are slave driving imperialists and we should remove any trace of them from our history. - Notorganic Funny, it's kind of what Chairman Mao was thinking when he obliterated his nation's historical artefacts. This was widely regarded as a bad move. Oh really? I thought he was driven by Atheism. Dogmatic Marxists sought the end of religion and imperialism did they not? No doubt that a form of aggressive atheism exists though if that's what you're questioning. All Marxists are atheists afro and so was Mao. When I went to Beijing quite a few of their ancient temples had been destroyed and I went to see one buddhist monastery which had been protected from Mao by Communist Party red tape apparently. I'm not sure how if I'm honest.
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afromanGT
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:All Marxists are atheists afro and so was Mao. When I went to Beijing quite a few of their ancient temples had been destroyed and I went to see one buddhist monastery which had been protected from Mao by Communist Party red tape apparently. I'm not sure how if I'm honest. Did some googling: "Zedong became a Buddhist, venerating a bronze statue of the Buddha, but abandoned this faith in his mid-teenage years"
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TheDjentleman
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Why fix something that isn't broken? The current flag is good anyways!
Everybodys favourite lurker.
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FulofGladbach
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I don't see why we need flags for sport, anyway..do any other countries have them?
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