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FILMING POLICE IS NOT A CRIME.

http://www.samesame.com.au/news/local/9522/Bashed-at-Mardi-Gras-Police-assaulted-me-claims-activist.htm

The idiot is whacked out on drugs. I have no sympathy for drugged up tools.

In an ideal society they would not be allowed such vices.

The reaction was unnecessary. As much as I agree on the drugs front, there's no excuse for bashing a kids skull in.

I agree. The head should be left alone.

As a general comment though some police brutality might help. I'm sick of people thinking they can do what they want because the police are powerless and their case will be dismissed over paperwork.

I say bring back the good old days where if you did something wrong you copped a flogging so you never did it again.

He's not on drugs, he's just intoxicated. And even if he WAS on some kind of substance that in no way excuses the police's actions. They are meant to be the sober custodian in these situations and their actions are completely inexcusable and reprehensible. The young lad is 60kg tops and that officer has picked him up and thrown him to the ground. It's disgusting.

You were there were you? You're assuming that the kid did something wrong.

Edited by afromanGT: 5/3/2013 11:45:36 PM

Yeah the kid is tiny af! Seriously, no need to throw people around and do head damage. This video is going viral. No doubt will be on the news.

Given the fact they started filming once he was already arrested, it's unfair to start throwing accusations around. We don't know what happened in the minutes leading up to the arrest, or what he was arrested for.

The guy has lost control of himself and has made himself another persons problem. I don't know 100% but he looks more than intoxicated. Either way its a lack of personal responsibility. That's my issue with it. The policeman shouldn't have done what he did but given the state of he guy I don't have all that much sympathy for him.

The flogging comment was a general statement. These days if you get up some roid freak in a club who cuts the line chances are he'll have a go. Worse still he's usually got roid freak mates waiting for a go. Maybe its just the GC but there's too much group/gang violence and the police don't do anything.

This is true. One thing that can be established is that he is not in control of himself and his actions have made him another persons problem.

Nevertheless, my gay friends and their community are outraged as it is and jumping to their own conclusions as you can imagine.

Is there a particular reason that this is even remotely related to the "victim" in the video being gay?

The issue that the kid is gay seems insignificant considering the state he's in.

Well.... he doesn't look in a great shape. Conclusions may be drawn.

And regardless of that, if the police feel the need to man-handle a kid that size in order to subdue him they've failed at their jobs.

Yeah, because as you can see they're poorly trained and busy picking fights they know they can win instead of doing their fucking job. What goes on in the GC police bars and clubs is irrelevant when we're talking about NSW police.

If they guy is so inebriated that he's lost control, that just makes their actions even worse. They're picking on a guy who has little to no control of his motor skills, has his hands cuffed behind his back. He's defenceless and unable to protect himself. He's inebriated, had his head split open, probably has a concussion and the cops decide to have another crack at him and throw him into the ground.

The conclusion you jumped to that he deserved it was frankly offensive. A short, skinny lad like that, for all we know he probably drank too much, was Drunk and Disorderly and when the police approached him he probably mouthed off and subsequently one of the officers took umbrage to that because...well, you can't call a spade a spade when the police are involved.

Heineken and I both work jobs where we rely on police officers to conduct themselves with decorum and defuse situations like this, not exacerbate them by creating a scene with hysterical women, confusion and blood.

This video is a PR nightmare for the Mardi Gras, NSW Police and the state government.

My question is really what does the gay community have to do with this? I'd assume the gay community would take issue if people were unfairly abused by police because they're. Is there something i'm missing which could demonstrate that the attack in this video is homophobically (I made up a word) motivated which would justify "Gay Community Outrage."

On current information the gay community seem to be pissed because a gay guy got attacked for being a drunk/drugged up idiot who can't control himself (not justifying police actions). It doesn't seem like an issue (on current info) that should concern the community :-k

This.

From the footage, it definitely does look heavy handed, I'm not saying that the officer involved probably shouldn't have used that amount of force, but we don't know the events leading up to the filming.

Quite frankly, the amount of frustration Police have in dealing with drunken and drug fueled idiots weekend in weekend out, you're bound to get one or two loose eggs after a while.

I agree. Nothing you have said I take issue with. I just have no sympathy for anyone who gets that fucked up that they can't control themselves.

People with their wits about them usually go out of their way to avoid police action of any sort.

As a general unrelated point, police seem to be held to a much higher standard with regard to "brutality" than practical. It concerns me how pedantic we have become.

If a gay guy got beaten up because he was gay the gay community would be outraged every week. (Not saying that this is right)

When the police who are sworn to protect fail to do their jobs correctly that's when it becomes an issue. As a minority, it is even more difficult. And if police find that hard, they shouldn't be a cop.

As I said before it's disturbing that people like the 'victim' get into this state and the police have to waste their energy dealing with such screw-ups. Regardless of what happened how the hell can people let themselves get so drunk in public?

In other revelations from benelsmore, Apartheid was a misunderstood ideal on the road to for world peace.

I don't get it though, why is this more of an issue if he's gay? Are minorities above the norm? This happens all the time. If it was not homophobic why does the sexual orientation of the victim matter?

Unless this was a homophobic attack why is it any different? I am not sure I am understanding what you're trying to say.

:roll: Speak for yourself. Considering how much you argue with Afro you sure do love to mimic him by speaking on my behalf with very little understanding of the intention of my post.

Don't worry, don't ask questions for clarification, just go in all guns blazing.

I dunno man. Complete twats. Never touched the shit in my life. o:)

I understand their frustration, but that's why they do years of training and are on sizeable salaries to do their job. They're trained to act with decorum, not pick on a skinny kid and throw him around like a rag doll. They've picked on this kid because they can get away with throwing around someone of his size. Someone larger and they might have got hurt back.

And regardless of how unruly this kid is, there are at least half a dozen officers there, if he's a handful you've got plenty of people to adequately restrain him, you don't need one officer to throw him to the ground and stand on his face like he's a hunting trophy.

No, they're not. They're well-trained and doing a job. If joe blow walked up the street, picked up a kid and threw him to the ground like that he'd be charged with assault. A police officer being shit at his job does NOT mitigate that.

It'll all just end with a slap on the wrist.

They are still human though. No amount of training can change a person's breaking point. You cannot train people to see some of the horrors these men and women deal with.

The video in this thread is probably a poor way to express my point. Police are attacked every week in surfers paradise and I see on facebook people calling out their brutality if they attempt to break up fights by firmly restraining the assailants and putting them to the ground. I just feel that no matter how they act during a heated situation their actions are seen as heavy handed. Even capsicum spray and tasers are seen as over the top in many situations. Perhaps this should be put in a separate thread.

Go for it. It's passed my bed time. I'm only 13. Or 14. I can't even remember what bs I write any more. Night xx.

Like I said to you before, what happens on the gold coast is completely irrelevant. IT's a different environment, a different police force with different training.

Regardless of whether they're still human, they're trained to conduct themselves with decorum. That's like going "well, I spat in that guy's drink - it's outside the constraints of my job - but I'm only human, right?"

It is, bloody animals up here.

The two are not really comparable. Police are subjected to a lot. I reinforce that training can only prepare humans for so much. I assume you disagree of do not feel that the point has merit. That's your opinion.

I question the decorum. I feel in some circumstances that it is too strict and impractical for some of the situations police encounter. Too much energy is spent on crossing 'T's and doting 'I's. Circumstances are different and training cannot provide much more than fundamental or "likely" practical problems.

The feeling to me is that no matter how police react to violence they are heavy handed. No one ever says "well [Joe Bloggs] was violent and refused to follow police instructions so he got what he deserved for being an idiot." Seems as if consequence does not exist anymore and if it does it's a slap on the wrist.

People want to put everything on the cops and it absolves the public of responsibility. Couple that with the deadshits out there who struggle to keep themselves alive they're so useless and its a recipe for disaster.

For this reason I think more incidents of cowardly police violence will rise and considering Heineken's previously mentioned points.

Look, that's a given but when you end up throwing a kid who's half your size face-first into the pavement then clearly your training and moral compass have failed you quite miserably.

That's the problem with people screaming "police brutality" with every little police action, that's all swept under the rug as standard procedure and now that something worthy of being questioned has happened it will most probably have a similar response.

Agree with the above.

Actually NSW Police salaries are pretty low. Just higher than your average nurse. As the old saying goes, you don't join the Police for the $$$.

I cannot believe that people are defending these hired thugs.

And you pay for them with your taxes.

Doubt it. It's getting some pretty strong media attention already and the videos only been up for around 48 hours. The NSW Police Force have alredy initiated an internal investigation. I couldn't see the rank of the officer, but I'm going to guess he's nothing more than a Constable. He'll either be booted off the force, or be suspended for several; weeks (if he hasn't already) with reduced pay.

If he stays on the force and is found guilty of using indiscriminate force , he'll find it pretty difficult to move anywhere good. From what I've heard he works out of Fairfield LAC, so he'll proably be transferred to some little out-back hole for 2-years. From then on he'll probably be trading on thin ice in regards to his behaviour.

And for the most part, they do a fantastic job, serving and protecting the community. It's every now and then one steps out of line, or does something wrong.

I'm not surprised you're taking the actions of one Police Officer, and then tarring the ~15,000 sworn memebers of the NSW Police Force (or any other Police force) with the same brush.

That's a wake up call for that kid. When police have you in handcuffs, that is not the time to be resisting. Drugged or drunk it doesn't matter. Why should NSW taxpayers be paying to have a policeman's hands tied up dealing with a feral, when he could be hands free with his boot on his neck.

Police 1
Idiot 0

Typical police dirty tactics, This is the real Australian police thugs i know. I bet you won't see this on Highway patrol or "the force" the scripted PR campaign series that they are.

:roll: FTP

Some logic: Don't give police a reason to target you and they won't :)

If he does indeed work for Fairfield LAC expect absolutely nothing to happen to him. Can have as many internal investigations as you want, in the end he'll probably get away with it.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 6/3/2013 10:24:53 AM

Someone posed an interesting question on twitter. If that police office was so willing to throw this guy face first into the concrete with cameras on him, makes you wonder what else he would've done if he weren't being filmed.

FTP right? You're so badass, I wish I was you :roll:

I never said anything of the kind.

I have also never said ACAB, Piggy Piggy or any other derogatory slander against the police.

Hired thugs?

What else would you call someone that exerts unprovoked violence on someone that can't fight back - whilst on the job?

I probably should have been more specific - this officer is a hired thug, as are the officers that flex their power hard-on at the football. That's not tarring all police officers with the same brush.

I agree with you, thanks for the clarification.

This

People should check out the recent Four Corners on alcohol related violence and the constant shit that cops have to put up with. Its not a surprise that eventually someone loses their cool and does something like what we have seen in this video.

No, join it fort he power trip, clearly. The police working king's cross should be additionally trained in order to deal with the alcohol related violence so these kind of incidents don't happen.

And after reading Mr's response, all I can say is I hope he winds up on the end of a little bit of police brutality and see how he likes it.

As usual this board shows the sense of Gen Y entitlement. I suscribe more the wider view - Behave like a c*nt, expect a consequence. That kid was off his face and a handful. Better he be on the ground than standing up.

And in my youth I've been in a few run-ins with police, particularly at student protests. But I knew my rights, and where they extended to.

That kid had no right to be resisting when already handcuffed. The police are within their rights to subdue him.

How the fuck do you know that? You were there were you? You were the arresting officer I suppose. No, the kid was so inebriated he could hardly stand himself. Throwing him to the ground was entirely unnecessary, and with another 5 officers in the immediate vicinity COMPLETE AND TOTAL OVERKILL.

The police ARE within their rights to subdue him, however spilling his blood in the process is unacceptable and a vile disregard for his rights.

In the vid he is already handcuffed and carrying on. Yes or no?

This applies to so much it's not funny. Kids these days are retarded.

benelsmore, your stereotypical right wing voter :lol: :lol: :lol:

Exactly, he's HANDCUFFED and restrained. The kid is skinny, barely 5 foot tall and handcuffed. What part of you thinks "yeah, throw him to the ground multiple times, split his head open and then stand on him".

There's no need for an independent investigation into the arrest of a young man at the Sydney Mardi Gras, Police Minister Mike Gallacher says.

A video has emerged of an 18-year-old man with a head wound being thrown to the ground by police while handcuffed during the festival celebrations on Saturday.
At least six officers were involved in his arrest.
The NSW Greens and a City of Sydney councillor have called for an independent inquiry into the matter, saying the investigation shouldn't be left to police.
Mr Gallacher says the NSW Ombudsman will review the incident and an additional investigation is not necessary.
"For anyone to suggest that the ombudsman is not independent, they're being very, very unfair," he told reporters in Sydney on Wednesday.

"I'm satisfied the ombudsman is independent, is truly independent of the NSW Police Force.
Mr Gallacher added that he had not received any complaints about excessive use of force or brutality by police at Mardi Gras.
As the area is "saturated" with CCTV cameras, there will be plenty of footage available to review and any judgment on police actions should wait until the investigation is complete, he said.
NSW Assistant Police Commissioner Mark Murdoch says the video only captures part of the incident and more will be revealed during an internal investigation.
"We have seen but one small part of what is clearly a much larger incident," Mr Murdoch told reporters in Sydney.
"What actually happened, the full circumstances, will be disclosed in time once our internal investigations and our criminal investigations in relation to both matters have run their course."
Mr Murdoch says another incident occurred within 30 minutes of the one captured on video.
"While we haven't received a complaint from either of the two people in the incidents there is a procedure for us to initiate our own inquiries, and we have done so," he said.
The officers involved remain on front line duties at their local area commands.
Mr Murdoch says the public does have a right to film events in a public area and comments heard from an officer in the footage suggesting otherwise are contrary to police policy.
"He will be taken aside and the policy will be reinforced to him," he said.
Premier Barry O'Farrell said the incident had put a damper on the event but he wasn't going to jump to conclusions without seeing what happened before the video began.
"We haven't seen what has preceded it," he told reporters in Sydney.
"I have been assured that the matter is being fully investigated by police ... and police have more oversight than any other organisation in NSW so I am confident that we will get to the bottom of what went on.
"Let's not pre-judge what we see."
Mr O'Farrell said Mardi Gras organisers had been happy with police involvement, overall.
"This incident, the allegations around it, obviously cast a pall over that but let's not pre-judge that, we haven't seen what led up to it."
"This inquiry must be public. It cannot happen behind closed doors," GetUp director Sam Mclean said in a statement on Wednesday.
"If people are to have any faith in the police, justice must be seen to be done."
Just after midday (AEDT) on Wednesday, 5208 people from across Australia had signed the petition, GetUp spokesman Rowan Wenn told AAP.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/03/06/03/01/nsw-police-accused-of-mardi-gras-brutality

:-s I don't vote/donkey vote/vote for the most ridiculous party name.

I don't think i'm right wing I just hate people these days who think they can do what they want, like people who steal fuel and rob places. Its stupidity and they don't fear the consequences.

Actually I mucked up. A stereotypical right winger is also religious :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you join the Police for the power trip; inevitably you're going to have a bad time, inevitably you're going to get caught out, pulled into an internal meeting with a high ranking officer, who will ask you to hand in your warrant card. Joining the Police force, you should have ambition of a bigger role than just a uniform putting motorists away for speeding. If you're walking around boasting about carrying a pistol, for that power trip, you shouldn't be in the force full stop.

What makes you say that? It won't be the Superintendent of Fairfield LAC organising the internal investigation, an incident that's garnered this much interest and publicity over the last 3 days, it's going right to the top. He'll have to front a hearing at the IAU (Internal Affairs Unit) and should he clear that - his record will be tarnished forever. He certainly won't be working out of Fairfield LAC for much longer, he'll be forceably transferred to the shittist LAC in the state. He'll probably end up in the Transport Command, arresting teenagers for not having a train ticket in Bankstown.

In an ideal world, yes. But this isn't an ideal world. What 'should' happen obviously hasn't happened or we wouldn't be discussing the police assaulting this young lad.

I cannot believe people think the cop is in any way at fault here.
Some dickhead is whacked out on E, cop floors him when he resists...
This has NOTHING to do with the gay community. This is about a criminal.

We live in a society today that has this ridiculous idea that we can do what we want without being held accountable for our actions. This guy found out the hard way.

What exactly was he resisting? He was already cuffed and from what we can see on the video didn't seem to be doing a whole lot right before he was thrown to the ground.

Well i'm definitely not that sir

This is exactly the sort of even-handedness you see in the terraces.

how do you know he was on e?? Drunk yes,but to say he is on drugs makes your argument redundant .

It's Mardi Gras. You find me a person who isn't blind on alcohol, drugs, or both, and I'll give you the cure for cancer.

Police do have difficulty dealing with people who are on pills...but often when they pull someone up who might be high, they use drug illegality as a reason to search. That just escalates. As unnecessary as the war on drugs itself.

He didnt look drunk to me, more on E...he doesnt seem that aggressive, more mouthy...which as we know with coppers is the one thing that arcs them up more than anything.

The video looks very similar to other events people see, its quite common which is why the reaction is so strong.

Exactly. He was already cuffed. Which meant he had already been arrested. Reports in the mX this afternoon suggest he had punched the Officer in the video (from Farfield LAC). Right there and then, that's an assault police charge, and they're not exactly going to be friendly towards you on that. I suggest that the 'resist arrest' charge, was a mere formality after that. You struggle when you're having cuffs placed on you, and you're looking at automatic resist arrest. He's also been charged with swearing at Police, and Assault Police.

And just resisting can also be pursued (or at least threatened) as 'assaulting' police...usually designed to make people more compliant as they know "assaulting police" is a charge u want to avoid trying to defend against. Its applied very subjectively at times...

People who do hard drugs really are the scum of the earth. What stupidity.

Really? Their policing would in fact be made much easier if more people in venues were using MDMA compared to alcohol.

Maybe thats the problem, eh? Alcohol suppliers, policing and prisons do too well out of the current failed war on drugs...

And lol, scum of the earth? Seriously the hypocrisy on drugs in straya is astounding. Alcohol does far more damage per capita on so many different measures compared to mdma or weed at least...but of course pal, u are Tough On 'Drugs'...

Because people are irresponsible. I have a beer or 2 every few nights or a scotch and dry if work really shits me.

You don't hear of people who go home and drop a few tabs of acid to get over a hard days work.

Alcohol is well controlled and kept to a standard. Drugs are made crudely with poisonous chemicals isolated by people who have no idea what they're doing.

The damage per capita is a bit stupid. Most people don't take drugs because with hard drugs there is no moderation. 1/4 of an E can kill you. Alcohol becomes a problem in excess. Hard drugs are a problem the moment you take any of it.

Some old friends used to take all sorts and none of them have made anything of themselves. I used to drink and party through uni and i'm a full time professional :)

Perhaps a better argument to support people with very little common sense?

Not related to this incident, but there is nothing tougher for a security guard or police officer to deal with than someone under the influence of certain hard drugs. They can't make sense of their surroundings, tend to get aggressive and often don't feel any pain when physical force is used to restrain them. On a night out you will often see someone on drugs get struck repeatedly in a fight and not even flinch until they receive that blow that puts them out. It's one of the scarier sites or events to be involved in.

.... and yet people still take hard drugs. Boggles the mind.

He was defs doing something just before the cop tackled/dropped him to the ground. The camera wasn't really on him, but you can hear his girlfriend/friend cry "don't jamie! No no!". Either tried to make a run for it or spat/kicked the cop and that was what caused the outburst.

Edited by sydneyfc1987: 6/3/2013 06:32:44 PM

Sure i'll give it a shot, been thru this debate a million times before...i was in the greens in the early 2000s LOL...



Well acid is something u would use in controlled situations, i was talking more about MDMA and weed...but ultimately this is the personal responsbility of the individual. People use alcohol incredibly irresponsibly, yet we dont ban that do we?

People can use cannabis as an example in the exact same way as alcohol...moderatly. Ecstasy is more of a whole night thing for weekends...so the after work comparison is not valid here.



Yes the safety and QA aspect is interesting. The reason illicit drugs are made the way they are is because they are illicit. One of the main arguments in favour of ending drug prohibition is the ability to apply standard controls ...as they did with alcohol when they ended prohibition on that early last century. Take it out of the black market and into the more quality controlled commercial sector.



Just plain wrong...chronic and or habitual usage of alcohol is a major problem, along with overdose/poisoning via intoxication.

And once again the reason a quarter of an E may be more likely to kill u is because of poor doseage and quality control. Actual MDMA is arguably less harmful than alcohol at the basic chemical level. As for cannabis, used for thousands of years...comparatively benign in effect compared to habitual binge or alcohol consumption.



I can say the exact opposite...i did a bit of mdma in the mid to late 90s and know heaps of folks who did more than me...they all earn more than i do and have very successful careers. Maybe i should have done more? Point being, in my experience habitual heavy alcohol users come out far worse than mdma users. But then both our experiences are anecdotal...



Depends which 'hard drug' u are referring to..perhaps for amphetamines...but lets remember the useage on that only went up when they started cracking down on MDMA in a major way. 'Ice' replaced pills as the drug of choice. Plus a lot of pills now are more loaded with speed than MDMA.

This shift has had a pronounced effect on venues.....also led to higher alcohol consumption as a result of less decent pills around...more speed and alcohol = more aggression = more policing issues = more overtime and funding...probably the issue right there ;)


Edited by blacka: 6/3/2013 06:54:15 PM

Well he definitely didn't kick the cop or try to make a run for it, because his legs/feet were pretty still just before he was thrown to the ground.

Would also be interesting to see what peoples opinion would've been has this guy died, which could quite have easily have happened with him being thrown to the ground with no way to brace himself for the fall.

Oh the good old days where Police were respected and, to an extent, feared.

Who in their right mind would join the Police Force these days? Having to put up with spoilt, left-wing Gen Y brats thinking they can say and do anything without consequence.

Handcuffed. So very, very dangerous...

Regardless of why he was arrested in the first place or what happened before the filming, what I can gather from the video is that.

- The suspect is already arrested and in handcuffs.
- There are several officers in control of the situation, and other than some moaning from the suspect, everything is subdued.
- At 0:50 seconds of the video, the suspect is standing with the police officer behind him. The suspect takes a step towards someone/something and the police officer holds him back by his arms (cuffed behind his back).
- The video then moves in and you can see the suspect's feet at this stage. He takes a step again in the same direction.
- The police officer pulls him back, and judo throws him to the ground.
- The police officer then subdues the suspect by placing one foot on his back and half standing on the suspect.


From all of this, I consider the police officer's throw to be extremely unnecessary and excessive in force. The officer appeared content to allow the suspect to stand leading up to the incident, and the suspect was easily restrained from moving anywhere in the 10 seconds prior to being thrown to the ground. If the police officer wanted the suspect to stop moving at this stage, there were many alternative ways to restrain him. What the police officer did was reckless and abusive.

Sorry. This isn't Nazi Germany.

You get a great shot of his face at the start of the video. His pupils aren't nearly dilated enough to be on ecstasy. There'd be practically no iris left if he was tweaking.

Drugs or not, the police did the right thing. taught him a lesson. i mean i agree with human rights etc, but that dosnt mean you get trashed publicly and cause a nuisance. i have many times been a victum of drunken people, taunting, wanting to fight or whatever, when i go out for a night in the town, its plain wrong.I understand he was handcuffed but what would happen to him if they took him to the station? hed prob get a slap on the wrist and be left scott free. atleast this way he will have some bruises to remind him to not get too drunk or take to many drugs and go out causing drama's to society. peole get away with too much nowdays its bullshit..

It's not up to the police to "teach lessons". That is for the courts to decide.

And if he'd died as a result of his injuries from being thrown to the ground while handcuffed? I guess you'd be totally okay with that then. You know, to teach him a lesson and all.

Police brutality is pretty common. Most people deny it til they see it for themselves.

I do not consider weed a hard drug, just clarifying I consider hard drugs to be those that are synthesized, often through very crude processes of isolation.

My point regarding hard drugs is there is no way to moderate one time usage. I used the example of my home routine of a beer or 2 or a scotch because you can't moderate hard drugs in the same way. You can't moderate a line of cocaine or an Ecstasy pill in such a way as to not ruin you all night.

There are people who abuse alcohol sure, they get shit faced and turn into idiots.

Drugs generally aren't dangerous on their own. LSD was synthesized as a painkiller almost a century ago. The problem is that they are illicit as you say making their production questionable but its for a good reason. Small quantities of hard drugs can be highly influential on someones behavior. Look at what heroin and cocaine can do to first time users. Look at the stress ecstasy and speed put on a persons heart and how some experience fatigue when they come down.

Ecstasy/speed/mdma/whatever you want to call the "love drug" generally isn't the problem. Its ice, amphetamines and the hard drugs that are. However, you still have people who have awful adverse reactions to MDMA and end up causing people problems. Legalizing MDMA won't stop people doing what intoxicated people do which is get whacked out and do dumb shit that endangers their lives and the lives of others.

Its a cultural problem though. With so many night clubs it seems so attractive.

Slapping stupid people on the writs doesn't teach them anything :roll:

And according to his interview on ACA last night, it all started with a tickle...wtf...out of area coppers clearly never been to a mardi gras before if they assess some tickling kid in hot pants or fairy wings as a threat :oops:

Fuck cops lowest cunts ever.

There cunts at our games and they are cunts at celebrations.

Fuck the Police

I have an issue with drug addicts... No issue at all with people casually taking something, as long as They know that if they're caught, there are consequences.

You should go join Harold Holt.

That's not your place nor the police's place to determine. There's a prosecutor and a judge for a reason. Frankly, I hope anyone who goes "he deserved it" is on the receiving end of some unmitigated police brutality just to see whether they think they 'deserve' it.

The guy is handcuffed. He's defenceless. This whole thing is fucking absurd.

The issue with crude synthesized drugs is that they are illicit...its a circular argument to say they should stay illegal ...the illegality is what causes the crudeness of them. The war does more damage than the drug pretty much with all substances imo. Especially when u factor in the zero quality controls.

We will have to agree to disagree on moderating doses of ecstasy and cocaine. Both these drugs are used socially in a moderate fashion all the time...folks dont see it though so it distorts their impressions of the drug.

On legalising MDMA and people's propensity to do "dumb shit"...i actually believe that it would have a positive effect to legalise as u have a competitior to alcohol. And i dont know about your experiences but for me i have found more "dumb shit" happens when alcohol is consumed than pills.

And same goes for ice now being such a problem...it became more popular as MDMA became more scarce. Folks will look to find alternatives and will go for what is readily available. Just saying...use alcohol or nothing....clearly this is not working.

I wouldn't say it's one way or the other with MDMA/Ice. Ice is cheaper to synthesise and sell. When people deal in MDMA they buy it in caps or pills which is a relatively expensive production process.

If you legalise MDMA then it begs the question what else should be legalised? There are psychological benefits of MDMA such as use for post traumatic stress, but there are also side affects which i'm sure you're well aware of. LSD has several medical benefits, should that be legalised? Opium is an amazing pain killer. Its pandoras box should its legality be seriously considered. It would be suicide for anyone to legalise MDMA with such common side affects and health issues the result from il-educated people taking it. In saying that most people are shocked at how bad the drug is when they see footage of some useless 16 year old dying in hospital having taken it at a club when the real issue is that they're also full of alcohol containing caffiene (vodka red bull etc) and haven't had any water in 8 hours.

My experience with MDMA is generally similar things happen with alcohol but just more severe. The guys on it tend to be more aggressive because the drug pumps them up so their reaction to most things is amplified. We all have our own experiences though, i'm sure yours may differ.

My main issue with drugs is that they are all too often not consumed in controlled environments and the people who take them are totally unprepared for their affects and innocent people become collateral damage. People can take all the drugs they want in private, that's their choice. I've seen too many cases of emergencies caused by some tool taking pills and god knows what else at clubs and festivals and then collapsing later on through lack of consideration for the affects of the drug, or becoming violent and harming innocent people. Alcohol tends to cause fights but the emergency situations from experience are less frequent and the severity of the issues I mention is generally greater (from experience) when drugs are involved over alcohol. In saying that I agree that the tolerance for alcohol is silly. I guess i'm more anti-public nuisance as a result of these drugs. I completely avoid Surfers Paradise up here because I feel like I need an assault rifle to go there given the high concentration of organ wasters there.

Of course it doesn;t work but people searching for something to be addicted to seems to be more of a cultural problem than ever. People with naturally addicive personalities are at risk given how easy these drugs are to obtain.