Punch Drunk - alcohol fuelled Australia documentary


Punch Drunk - alcohol fuelled Australia documentary

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One of if not the main reason I don't go nightclubbing any more.

I outgrew that shit soon as I hit 21.

Pubbing sure, most of the time there's no women to worry about, but clubs, fuck no.

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Yeah, the club scene in Sydney is horrible. It's great for meeting ridiculously good looking girls with mega Daddy issues but i'd take a bar over a club anyday.
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Makes you sick watching that.
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Straya's drinking culture is the best advertisement for legalising competing recreational drugs u can get...the problem has seemingly escalated since the crackdown on MDMA especially in the club scene...with more aggressive alcohol and amphetamine based drugs having free rein.

At least in a more open market for recreational drugs, most people would gravitate toward the happier end of the scale you'd think. Govt regulation effectively distorts the whole thing...and often pushes people on to more dangerous substances, especially these new synthetic cocktails designed to mimic the banned drug.

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I'll say it before and I'll say it again: it's because of vodka. Honestly, booze is so expensive that people make the most of it and get hammered on spirits rather than an expensive beer.

I think this sort of stuff is getting out of hand though, we're getting closer and closer to demonising drinkers like has already happened with smokers.

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blacka wrote:
Straya's drinking culture is the best advertisement for legalising competing recreational drugs u can get...the problem has seemingly escalated since the crackdown on MDMA especially in the club scene...with more aggressive alcohol and amphetamine based drugs having free rein.



Partially disagree. I think a HUGE part of the problem with violence comes with the mixture of alcohol with amphetamines/speed and steroid-use. I can't help but think any legalisation of illicit substances would mean some people would use speed and steroids more freely.

But I agree in regards to MDMA being demonised by authorities. If the stuff was manufactured in a safe, legalised environment it'd be is next to harmless compared to alcohol.

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sydneyfc1987 wrote:
blacka wrote:
Straya's drinking culture is the best advertisement for legalising competing recreational drugs u can get...the problem has seemingly escalated since the crackdown on MDMA especially in the club scene...with more aggressive alcohol and amphetamine based drugs having free rein.



Partially disagree. I think a HUGE part of the problem with violence comes with the mixture of alcohol with amphetamines/speed and steroid-use. I can't help but think any legalisation of illicit substances would mean some people would use speed and steroids more freely.

But I agree in regards to MDMA being demonised by authorities. If the stuff was manufactured in a safe, legalised environment it'd be is next to harmless compared to alcohol.


I think part of the reason why speed as an illicit substance is more readily used though is due to ease of manufacture compared to mdma.

Throw mdma back into the mix to compete with speed again and maybe the rate of use of the latter would decrease? Not gone completely but lessened and balanced out by a safer drug being used. So they could be used more freely, sure, but a lower overall rate...harm decreases even if more freely available if other things are competing with it. Most people who want speed now can get it.

So the mixing of alcohol and speed would be lower in an environment where there is more safe mdma around?

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blacka wrote:


So the mixing of alcohol and speed would be lower in an environment where there is more safe mdma around?


Perhaps yeah. Really hard to tell unless/until some western country takes the plunge into legalisation. I think will happen eventually because of the huge tax revenues that stand to be made.

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sydneyfc1987 wrote:
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So the mixing of alcohol and speed would be lower in an environment where there is more safe mdma around?


Perhaps yeah. Really hard to tell unless/until some western country takes the plunge into legalisation. I think will happen eventually because of the huge tax revenues that stand to be made.


True yeah there is potential...plus the money saved through enforcement and incarceration costs...plus medical costs of bad quality assurance of illicit drugs. The parallels with alcohol prohibition are interesting.

The flipside though is the massive vested interests in enforcement and incarceration industries....policing, lawyers, organised crime, private prisons, prison guard/police unions....politicians who want an easy score around election time (tough on drugs rhetoric)...and we wonder why no progress is made, yikes!



Edited by blacka: 7/5/2013 01:40:45 PM
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Yeah, the club scene in Sydney is horrible. It's great for meeting ridiculously good looking girls with mega Daddy issues but i'd take a bar over a club anyday.

I fucking hate it when you're chilling in a bar and it tries to go all 'nightclub' and shit.

Violence is a serious issue. I blame vodka red bulls and jagerbombs.
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Australia21
How illicit drugs policy relates to the budget black hole
by Alex Wodak

In the last half-century Australia has allocated substantial resources to try and limit the supply of drugs, yet drug-related deaths, disease, crime, corruption, violence and threats to our national security have all soared. Illicit drugs policy is one of the areas where we don't get value for money.
A sudden reduction in corporate profits has blown a $12 billion hole in the federal budget. This development should spark a debate within and outside government about how we deal with illicit drugs in this country because it’s one of the areas where we aren’t getting value for our money.

In 2002-03 commonwealth, state and territory governments spent $3.2 billion preventing and responding to illicit drugs.

Governments allocated 75% of this money to law enforcement (customs, police, courts and prisons), 10% to prevention, 7% to drug treatment, 5% to health care for drug users and 1% to harm reduction. The final 2% was spent on miscellaneous items.Taxpayers should consider what value we obtain from this not inconsiderable expenditure in response to illicit drugs.

The $2.4 billion expended in 2002-03 on drug law enforcement brought a miserable return to taxpayers. Former Australian federal police commissioner, Mick Palmer said in 2012, “Australian police are now better trained, generally better equipped and resourced and more operationally effective than at any time in our history, but, on any objective assessment, policing of the illicit drug market has had only marginal impact on the profitability of the drug trade or the availability of illicit drugs.”

While in the last half-century Australia has allocated substantial resources to try and limit the supply of drugs, drug-related deaths, disease, crime, corruption, violence and threats to our national security have all soared. In the longer version of this article, published on The Conversation website on 6 May and available here, Dr Wodak provides a series of referenced examples to support these assertions.

In Australia, supporters of a “war on drugs” approach vigorously opposed pragmatic policies (such as needle syringe programmes) needed to control the spread of HIV among people who inject drugs. If common sense had not triumphed over ideology in the 1980s, Australia would now be dealing with a much larger and more expensive HIV epidemic.

Property crime in Australia has generally followed trends in heroin use, increasing steadily as heroin consumption soared in the three decades leading up to the new millennium. And then declining in the new century as heroin production in Burma decreased by about 80% in the decade following 1996.

Corruption is an inevitable cost of drug prohibition. At least three of the 36 deaths of drug traffickers in Melbourne seem to have involved high-level police corruption. In 1987, Barry Moyse, former head of the South Australia drug squad received a 27-year prison sentence for selling drugs. In 2011, Mark Standen, formerly assistant director of the NSW Crime Commission, received a 22-year sentence for his involvement in a $300 million drug operation. HSBC, one of the largest banks in the world, was fined $US 1.9 billion by US authorities in 2012 for laundering rivers of money from Mexican and Colombian drug traffickers.

Drug prohibition has helped enrich the Taliban and fund the weapons used against Australian soldiers in Afghanistan. About 70% of the opium produced in Afghanistan comes from two southern provinces controlled by the Taliban.

Despite minimal evidence of effectiveness, and abundant evidence of serious collateral damage, gold bars continue to rain down on drug law enforcement. It’s just the opposite for drug treatment and harm reduction where there is substantial evidence of benefit and minimal evidence of serious collateral damage. Lousy policy is still good politics. But treasurers may now want to change that.

In contrast to the money spent on law enforcment, the $224 million spent in 2002-03 on drug treatment was an excellent investment. Methadone maintenance treatment saves between $4 and $7 for every dollar spent.

The $32 million spent on harm reduction in 2002-03 was also a great investment. Needle syringe programs save $4 in healthcare costs and $27 overall for every dollar spent.

Instead of governments spending large amounts of taxpayers’ money to make a bad problem worse, they should shift spending to get a better return on our investment while reducing deaths, disease, crime, corruption, violence and threats to our national security. This approach would also help them balance their budgets.

The picture shows a 5mg bottle for legally produced heroin from an earlier time.
Dr. Alex Wodak AM, is an Emeritus Consultant, Alcohol and Drug Service, St Vincent's Hospital; Visiting Fellow, Kirby Institute, UNSW; President, Australian Drug Law Reform Foundation; and a Director of Australia21.
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Anyone have any figures on how many taxes were lost to exempting Churches and religious orginations such as Sanitarium?
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notorganic wrote:
Anyone have any figures on how many taxes were lost to exempting Churches and religious orginations such as Sanitarium?

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