There are idiots in both "public"and "private" schools. The schools arent to blame. The parents who make there kids believe they are somewhat better than anyone due to their education are the ones to blame. I know plenty of people who went to pruvate and selective schools and they are great people.

I legitimately don't know what you're trying to say here.

Of course, it's easy to go to a private school and not do any work etc.

But I'm saying that private schools are a much more conducive environment to learning, and have a higher calibre of students and teachers.

the difference between public and private school students is public school students dont give a damn whether or not you went to private school or not

Also ->

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^ Only at a private school, right?




Edited by condemned666: 30/10/2015 07:42:11 PM

Depends a lot on what private school, or public school you're talking about. Also school is not that important. I know that doesn't mean much when you're doing your final exams, but by the time you're my age it matters little.

Those old adages of "hard work" and "good attitude" will help achieve success.

:lol: private pretty sure the p in aps stands for public . Get your head out of your ass mate.

How is that at all relevant?

Maybe a private school education would have taught you how to write English properly.

And I never said I went private - I went to a selective school.

Edited by 433: 30/10/2015 07:30:37 PM

:lol: yeah my mate went to welsey , he now works in manufacturing . Maybe just maybe stop being an ass and be thankful your parents can send you a school ,

Most people at public schools are shitcunts who couldn't give a rats about their education, this comes from their parents mainly.

If you want your kid to do well then please send him private or selective.

You cant control a lot of things in the world, but at least have control over which school you want your kids to go to etc etc... ](*,)

Also choice came back to that ideological thingy I was talking about earlier

You're welcome

- Acknowledged pseudo intellectual




Edited by condemned666: 30/10/2015 07:22:49 PM

public and private schools have the same dropkicks in them no matter what :lol:

What a ridiculous attitude. Most people who go to public schools do so because their parents aren't able to afford to send them to a private school. They don't have a choice.

Speaking as someone who goes to a selective entry school (entrance is based on merit, not money - meaning Murdoch the commie would hate it), if it wasn't for this I'd be going private.

Fuck public school. It's mostly full of fucking dropkicks who demean those who strive for to achieve success academically. I'd send my kids private 100% given the chance.

Aside from their Haircuts; how they speak. and how they can just about get away with anything. Not hard to spot at all

The one thing is they can say they're so humble because they went to Sydney University (overcrowded salad bowl), when all they ever did was hide at college



^ This species (Harriet Wran) went to Sydney Uni, shaking someone's hand is termed as humble for them

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Funnily enough I to some degree agree with him.

On the Gold Coast it's well known that the private schools are results based. IE. get the highest OP to make us look good. The school then parades it's high level of education in order to raise more money from fees.

Before you ask, the private school kids are easy to spot. Their leavers jerseys were as persistent as the sticks up their arses :lol:

Im making the point that Murdoch Rags is a pure communist.

Social Darwinism much?

Whos to say that the cleaner could have been a better doctor than the doctor because of the opportunities that came up for them vs the private school student?

Ideology State Apparatus

Edited by condemned666: 30/10/2015 11:12:50 AM

Every other man and his dog are trying to get in to International Relations these days so i would suggest doing something alternative but similar in the field to better your prospects. Instead of just doing a politics course, try doing an international Business course as these cover both international relations and business. This effectively doubles potential job prospects are graduating. It is a shame to say that most International relations people i have met just appear to be young girls with stars in their eyes about the chance to travel a whole bunch for their career and think that because they drank a lot of coffee in some back alley streets in Paris that they know all about Kulcha when in fact they know sweet F all

Also, this thread is popular.

You actually couldn't have paid me enough to go to a public school.

Private school kids need to be taught that not everybody was born as lucky as they were.
It should be in their curriculum that some kids are born from broken families/home and a certain empathy needs to be shown for their peers in public school that putting them down aint gonna help anyone.

Edited by SocaWho: 30/10/2015 10:06:09 AM

Whatever comrade....and you probably think doctors should be earning the same as cleaners.


Oh just fuck off will you...](*,) ...full of shit as usual

Mate again...this is a football forum...youre primary interest is in politics...and you have zero interest in football.
Book a 1 way ticket to North Korea and stay there.

Edited by SocaWho: 30/10/2015 10:10:30 AM

The issue is important regardless

That shit started from a single Facebook post to a VCE help group. Idiots took serious offence to this and it got blown out of proportion, starting a private vs public school debate.

I am totally against private school education. I went to one of the top private schools in the country based on Year 12 results.

People don't realise that private school education is an expensive child minding service.
Ignorant parents are in denial about the fact that the Year 12 final result does not determine the long term career - the education at university is far more important. At university, private school leavers are in for a shock as they will no longer get the 'babying' and that they need to be self-sufficient.

Private school vs Povos
is this the society we want?

All good. There's any number of people in Australian society who stigmatise Arts degrees. Current students, academics/professionals in other fields and people who haven't received tertiary education who regard study as only valuable if they can draw a direct line between it and a particular career.

Not everyone is like that. I know people who study science, etc. who can see the merit in doing an arts degree. But so many people have tunnel vision, it's not funny.

This is a really bad way of thinking.

One of the biggest problems with Australian society is that people are incredibly prescriptive, they've got absolutely no imagination. If you suggest something which sounds a bit unusual they're like what the fuck are you doing that for.

One thing you basically have to accept is that it's highly likely you're going to have to do postgrad study these days. Lots of the unis are pushing towards making the specialist degrees postgrad. This is the case for people who want regular careers, not just people who want to become academics. Happy or not, that's the way it is. There are some jobs you can get into with just undergrad, but it's a bit different to years gone by. With that in mind, there's absolutely no risk to do an arts degree for undergrad, as long as you think you'll enjoy it. I mean you can just do an arts degree, and then post grad do either a masters (in international relations), or postgrad law or finance or something and you're every bit as employable. Time-wise, it can work out to be about the same because very few people do undergrad law on its own, or undergrad engineering on its own.

Although, I do know of people who have just done a Bachelor of Arts, no postgrad studies, and had very successful careers in international relations/diplomacy, civil service, finance, journalism, politics, etc. So even then, it's not unfeasible.

But yeah, you'll get lots of people telling you not to do an arts degree, not to do this or that. Don't pay too much attention to them. It's simply a case of them not knowing all that much about it, imo. As you've pointed out.

Cheers for the reply mate, really useful points made. I don't really have a specific career in mind but the area of International relations, and politics to an extent, really interests me so I figure I will have no trouble finding an interesting career if I go down that path course wise. Yeah, okay, interesting stuff about Arts. It's just that as a VCE student I'm surrounded by mates who are heavily opinionated on the topic of Universities and courses even though their credibility on the topic is probably very questionable, so it's hard to really know what to believe. Thanks again

I'm not quite in the real world. But lots of my friends and family are. Firstly I reckon you should aim for the one which is harder to get into. The one you go with is another matter.

Do companies, etc., favour graduates from prestigious universities? It can depend on the industry. I don't think there's a general rule, as it varies.

The first thing is that once you're into your second or so job, it doesn't matter which uni you went to.

The second thing is that in most cases it's probably better to have terrific marks from a less prestigious university than lousy marks from a more prestigious one.

Now this is harder to answer. Based on what people I know say, for things like law, finance, etc., there often is a bit of favouritism for graduates from the "prestigious" universities. However you still get people at big companies in graduate jobs who went to less prestigious universities. I've heard of any number of such examples.

But don't knock arts degrees. Mate, I think you're buying into the false perceptions of arts degrees that many in this country have. It's absolute nonsense. Historically, lots of the brightest people did arts degrees. It's still the case today. This is hard to explain but arts degrees teach you critical, analytical and communicative skills that few other degrees. Studying things like Latin and Greek were (and to an extent are) considered the highest standard of learning. Philosophy, history and literature too.

Have a look at the profiles of the top barristers in the state. They are from all backgrounds, including science and commerce. But overwhelmingly they did a Bachelor of Arts. Often this is because arts degrees are such good prep for law.

There were, I think, three blokes in the year below me who got perfect scores in Year 12. Guess what two of them studied? Not law or medicine for undergrad. They did arts. Then two of my brother's mates also got 99.95 and did undergrad arts degrees.

I went for an interview for a part-time finance job. I didn't get the job. In the interview I mentioned that I was studying arts not commerce and the guy interviewing me said it wasn't a problem. He had studied arts at university. His area was philosophy. He had done a masters of it. He then moved directly into investment banking and had a great career there in London.

Don't forget that people like Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, etc. did arts degrees before they did law or whatever.

May I ask if you have any idea where you want to take your career? It's fine if you don't. But if you're interested in diplomacy I advise you go to the DFAT website and have a look at the profiles of the Australian ambassadors, high commissioners and consular staff. There are heaps but it should give you an idea about degrees and career paths. Heaps, maybe even most, did an arts degree. Also some went to Deakin.

I gather one of the most common pathways is to do a Bachelor of Arts, and maybe a law degree too. Often from Monash. Then in many cases they've done postgrad study in international relations or diplomacy at places like Deakin, Monash, etc.

I reckon it would be a really good idea to learn another language. It does make a huge difference. Chinese is the most useful these days. But even French is really useful and great fun. You could go to Monash, study a Bachelor of Arts with a double major in international politics (or similar) or history as one of your majors and in a foreign language as another major.

That would be really good grounding, imo. Then postgrad you start to specialise a bit more. Post grad is difficult to avoid these days.