The Touchy Subjects Thread: Is the Death Penalty an acceptable punishment?


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Tasmania's current involvement in the Euthanasia debate would make a good topic for here.
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A few posts in the 'in soviet Russia, laugh loses you' thread, just reminded me of a topic I was looking at, at uni the other day...


Is religious education child abuse (interpret as either school education or home education, but please distinguish between the two when responding)?
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ozboy wrote:
notorganic wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Yeah I agree with the death penalty, but I would like it if people on death row were given the option of having their penalty transferred to life imprisonment if they agree to being subjected to scientific experiments, after signing waiver. That way we save more animals and there is choice involved.


You really were born in the wrong decade & country. You'd make an excellent Mazi "doctor".

And you'd be the perfect subject. No loss.

Far from 'perfect', Notorganic doesn't have a twin.
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notorganic wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Yeah I agree with the death penalty, but I would like it if people on death row were given the option of having their penalty transferred to life imprisonment if they agree to being subjected to scientific experiments, after signing waiver. That way we save more animals and there is choice involved.


You really were born in the wrong decade & country. You'd make an excellent Mazi "doctor".

And you'd be the perfect subject. No loss.
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ozboy wrote:
Yeah I agree with the death penalty, but I would like it if people on death row were given the option of having their penalty transferred to life imprisonment if they agree to being subjected to scientific experiments, after signing waiver. That way we save more animals and there is choice involved.


You really were born in the wrong decade & country. You'd make an excellent Mazi "doctor".
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Am I the only person who finds it hilarious/perplexing that the same forum member who has recommended that other users kill themselves is now preaching against capital punishment?

The prison system being a dangerous environment in the US is down to a number of socio-economic influences rather than the death penalty. In many regards it's no different to here in Australia. I'm kind of tired so can't be bothered going into great detail but I'll elaborate on what I'm saying the next time I'm online.
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Yeah I agree with the death penalty, but I would like it if people on death row were given the option of having their penalty transferred to life imprisonment if they agree to being subjected to scientific experiments, after signing waiver. That way we save more animals and there is choice involved.
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I'm just not a fan of killing as a punishment. It hasn't stopped anything in the US and has made the prison system a dangerous environment.


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Mr wrote:
Castration for sex offenders?

Chemical castration has been condemned by many human rights groups. It went right to the US supreme court where it was ruled it was a cruel and unusual punishment (and therefore against the 8th amendment).

In 2010 a convicted paedophile who was chemically castrated was found not guilty of allegedly touching a 7 year old girl inappropriately. Linky. So there's evidence to suggest that it doesn't work any way.
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if im not mistaken ,paedophiles can ask for chemical castration .But it is totally voluntary which is a joke
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Castration for sex offenders?
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Eastern Glory wrote:
They all have an 'A' in their first name and an 'E' in their last name :shock:

Calm down there, Rainman.
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afromanGT wrote:
"Capital punishment turns the state into a murderer. Prison turns the state into a gay dungeon master."

I'm a proponent of the whole "If you kill a person you forfeit any rights or moral standing" school of thought. You've either made a conscientious choice to disregard the laws and social convention of write and wrong, or you lack the capacity to discern and there's no chance for rehabilitation.

I'm not saying that all murders should warrant the death penalty, but in the case of the Chris Lane murder, the kids think it's a joke. Laughing and dancing as you're arrested is sickening. You kill a man in cold blood, laugh about it and you get free board, gym membership, food and laundry? No. That's bullshit.

Serial offenders who have no chance of rehabilitation and are a drain on the system deserve to die. In the cases of (for example) Adrian Bailey, Anders Breivik, James Holmes or Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, I fully support the death penalty.

They all have an 'A' in their first name and an 'E' in their last name :shock:
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"Capital punishment turns the state into a murderer. Prison turns the state into a gay dungeon master."

I'm a proponent of the whole "If you kill a person you forfeit any rights or moral standing" school of thought. You've either made a conscientious choice to disregard the laws and social convention of write and wrong, or you lack the capacity to discern and there's no chance for rehabilitation.

I'm not saying that all murders should warrant the death penalty, but in the case of the Chris Lane murder, the kids think it's a joke. Laughing and dancing as you're arrested is sickening. You kill a man in cold blood, laugh about it and you get free board, gym membership, food and laundry? No. That's bullshit.

Serial offenders who have no chance of rehabilitation and are a drain on the system deserve to die. In the cases of (for example) Adrian Bailey, Anders Breivik, James Holmes or Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, I fully support the death penalty.
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TheSelectFew wrote:
433 wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
433 wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
>Says yes to pulling the trigger on the Internet.

>Wouldn't have the balls IRL.

Watch interviews with executioners. They are scarred.


Edited by theselectfew: 24/8/2013 04:36:47 PM


Given the opportunity, without any consequence for you AT ALL, would you shoot the three people who killed Chris Lane?


No. Why would I kill someone to show killing is wrong? How primitive does that sound? In fact, I'm pretty sure we learnt about how primitive this method was in primary school.

:roll:


People already know killing is wrong - you're just showing them that they will be punished if they do so.


Prison with no chance of getting out is good enough. No need going around killing people because they killed someone. What if mistakes were made?


As a mentioned before, people like Breivik should get it. Where there is no doubt that this person committed horrendous crimes.
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TheSelectFew wrote:
>Says yes to pulling the trigger on the Internet.

>Wouldn't have the balls IRL.

Watch interviews with executioners. They are scarred.


Well we can't prove it either way. ;)
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433 wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
433 wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
>Says yes to pulling the trigger on the Internet.

>Wouldn't have the balls IRL.

Watch interviews with executioners. They are scarred.


Edited by theselectfew: 24/8/2013 04:36:47 PM


Given the opportunity, without any consequence for you AT ALL, would you shoot the three people who killed Chris Lane?


No. Why would I kill someone to show killing is wrong? How primitive does that sound? In fact, I'm pretty sure we learnt about how primitive this method was in primary school.

:roll:


People already know killing is wrong - you're just showing them that they will be punished if they do so.


Prison with no chance of getting out is good enough. No need going around killing people because they killed someone. What if mistakes were made?


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I don't agree with the death penalty but then we put down troublesome animals. I think this lacks understanding about their state of mind. Keep them alive so that we can learn to be better at helping people like them before they commit the crimes.

What do you think about sending murderers and rapists to places like Halden Prison?
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TheSelectFew wrote:
433 wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
>Says yes to pulling the trigger on the Internet.

>Wouldn't have the balls IRL.

Watch interviews with executioners. They are scarred.


Edited by theselectfew: 24/8/2013 04:36:47 PM


Given the opportunity, without any consequence for you AT ALL, would you shoot the three people who killed Chris Lane?


No. Why would I kill someone to show killing is wrong? How primitive does that sound? In fact, I'm pretty sure we learnt about how primitive this method was in primary school.

:roll:


People already know killing is wrong - you're just showing them that they will be punished if they do so.
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433 wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
>Says yes to pulling the trigger on the Internet.

>Wouldn't have the balls IRL.

Watch interviews with executioners. They are scarred.


Edited by theselectfew: 24/8/2013 04:36:47 PM


Given the opportunity, without any consequence for you AT ALL, would you shoot the three people who killed Chris Lane?


No. Why would I kill someone to show killing is wrong? How primitive does that sound? In fact, I'm pretty sure we learnt about how primitive this method was in primary school.

:roll:


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quichefc wrote:
I don't like the idea of a Gov't/judiciary dishing out death - we don't like it in Indonesia/Singapore and I wouldn't like it here.


We don't like it because they give it out for what we consider to be lesser crimes. If they did it for murder/rape I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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TheSelectFew wrote:
>Says yes to pulling the trigger on the Internet.

>Wouldn't have the balls IRL.

Watch interviews with executioners. They are scarred.


Edited by theselectfew: 24/8/2013 04:36:47 PM


Given the opportunity, without any consequence for you AT ALL, would you shoot the three people who killed Chris Lane?
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quichefc wrote:
I don't like the idea of a Gov't/judiciary dishing out death - we don't like it in Indonesia/Singapore and I wouldn't like it here.

I would be in favour of those who are sentenced to life in prison (with no chance of parole) being able to chose death... life in prison is no life at all.

This . The death penalty is making us as worse as those who murder . But im conflicted
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I don't like the idea of a Gov't/judiciary dishing out death - we don't like it in Indonesia/Singapore and I wouldn't like it here.

I would be in favour of those who are sentenced to life in prison (with no chance of parole) being able to chose death... life in prison is no life at all.
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then sure do it but in some cases ive heard and read about they have executed the person who apparently did the crime but years later they found out they bungled and had to pay the innocent persons family compo . There has to be a pretty water tight case before handing out the death penalty
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I am totally against the death penalty as a punishment that humans hand out to one another. It is God's punishment.
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catbert wrote:
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catbert wrote:


Namely, the death penalty takes away the possibility and right to a re-trial at the presentation of new evidence. Simple as that.


I'm talking about where there is absolutely conclusive proof (such as an admission of guilt. When it is 100% known who the perpetrator of the crime is, the death penalty should be used.


technically all matters of criminal law are supposed to operate on that principle "beyond resonable doubt", but as we all know it doesn't work like that. There isn't even a definition of what 'resonable' doubt constitutes. Obviously Lindy Chamberlain wasn't convicted on a basis that was 'beyond resonable doubt'. And I can think of a lot of places with the death penalty that would have killed her for mudering her own child (along with the verdict of the first trial). But this would have taken away the possibility for a meaningful re-trial.

So don't try and swing that you would only use it in cases that are beyond all doubt because no one has yet managed to define what that means. Technically it means that there should never be cause for a re-trial.


I am certainly not in favor of the death penalty but surely there could be cases where there is absolutely no doubt that the person convicted has committed the crime.
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>Says yes to pulling the trigger on the Internet.

>Wouldn't have the balls IRL.

Watch interviews with executioners. They are scarred.


Edited by theselectfew: 24/8/2013 04:36:47 PM


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Eastern Glory wrote:
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Is the Death Penalty an acceptable punishment?


Yes. Murder, rape, treason, high fraud, drug cartels.

Would you pull the trigger?

Sure.
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but what if the person gets put to death ends up being innocent.
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