Australia v Turkey - U-20 World Cup Analysis


Australia v Turkey - U-20 World Cup Analysis

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[quote=stefcep]I agree Arthur. When I do my own "analysis", I focus on what went wrong or wasn't done well.

3. The midfield made us (against Columbia) and the midfield broke us (against El Salvador and Turkey)
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Just a question:
Do you guys reckon that with the Columbia game, they (Columbia) thought Australia would be an easy beat and did not play to their full potential?
If they played like they played against Turkey and El Salvadore it would have been a different story??


Edited by slee45: 10/7/2013 03:01:07 PM
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To add to your points Stefcep i was reading Anthony Siokas Blog and he made a comments that were interesting;

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Are the players the best we’ve ever produced? Clearly not.

The individual technical ability of the Australian youth players dominating the ’90s was superior. But, don’t be so quick to put that down to coaching, or to suggest a national curriculum is simply a glossy piece of paper.

Our golden generation of youth players were the sons of post-War migrants: the Greeks, the Italians, the Croatians and others. Football was in their blood. It was cultural and something they instilled in their children as part of their socialisation. Anyone who attended and supported the National Soccer League (NSL) can testify that these youngsters, at the time, were heavily influenced by their parents.

Today, our Young Socceroos are the children of their children’s generation. This crop of players suffer the same ills as non-athletes in society – Generation Y. They have little, if any, recollection or understanding of their predecessors. Many of the players in the current squad would have to watch YouTube videos to gain an insight into their coach’s track record. Who’s Paul Okon? That’s not a sledge, but a simple measure of the times
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I find it fascinating to think that our society is a hinderance in the development of a footballer, but also the elite athlete. In light of the talent pool decreasing, childrens interests changing and lifestyles affecting commitment to elite sports.

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http://www.ausport.gov.au/participating/coaches/tools/high_performance_coaching/engaging_with_new_generations

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/more-australians-rejecting-organised-sport-due-to-family-work-commitments-csiro-report-finds/story-fncynjr2-1226615219736
A CSIRO report into the future of Australian sport has identified "mega trends'' in the nation's sporting life and found hectic work and family lives mean time-poor people can no longer commit to team training and games.


I'm reminded of John Cartwright's blog about player development,

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There is no doubt that great players of the past produced themselves on the streets and make-do playing areas in all parts of the world, and to some extent, this continues to this day in some of the poorer countries. Many of the playing qualities that were learned on these congested ‘pitches’ during the ‘practice whilst playing’ sessions, have never been replaced by ‘artificial’ teaching methods (coaching). Unlike present, ‘ Press-dressed’ players ‘hyped’ as great, the truly great players usually have a ‘poverty produces player’ label attached. From the distant past of; Puskas, De Stefano, Beckenbauer, Pele, Maradona etc. to more recent examples, Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Inesta etc. all of these players first acquired a natural playing style that was either allowed to develop without being hindered by ‘ academic intrusion’ or they were accepted into teaching and playing regimes that were designed to expand their individual playing qualities and not suppress them.

Lionel Messi, is a modern example of ‘poverty produces player(s)’. His upbringing was simplistic in terms of playing education. He played in street games with friends and during these regular ‘competitive’ matches, he learned essential aspects of the game and applied them without outside interference.

http://keeptheball.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/can-stardom-be-taught/


...he is audacious enough to say that the vast majority of "match winning" players in the world are from South America or Africa, that Europes Academies cannot produce these players but the ghetto's can.

In our context with the U20's I thought that the team was an improvement on previous teams but still a long way to go, in terms of first touch, lateral movement, two sided players, still trying to force the play from our own half rather from the attacking third, too prepared to give the ball away when the simple passing option is available, the quality of passing too often the ball is off the ground and in the air...

Positve side many of the boys are playing first team football, many can keep possesion in tight situations, regaining possesion and when the opposition had possesion.

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I agree Arthur. When I do my own "analysis", I focus on what went wrong or wasn't done well. This not because I'm a negative person, but because its only through identifying weaknesses that real progress can begin to be made.

If I was to do a negative post-mortem of the tournament as whole I would say:

1. The technical skill level of our squad as a whole was below that of all 3 of our opponents.
2. We have too few players with "football intelligence".
3. The midfield made us (against Columbia) and the midfield broke us (against El Salvador and Turkey)
4. Okon showed with his omission of Amini that he is a coach that will put at risk a campaign if he has a personal problem with a player. No matter how thick his skin-folds, Amini could have managed 30 minutes per game. Even when Antonis' injury gave Okon a way out to include Amini, he instead chose a player who played zero minutes at the tournament anyway.
5. Given the importance of the midfield in the outcome of these games,it was naive to put a 16 year old in the number 10 role and expect him to perform for 270 minutes at this level. Again Okon's failing.
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Sorry gents I would rather read or listen to the comments of some one negatively critical than positiveley critical.

I think the positive always stands out any way and I would rather anaylise the negative to determine if there is merit and how to address it.

Just my view point.
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[quote=Barca4Life
Don't England have St George's Park?
And have implemented SSGs too?
Was it supposed it would help England catch up to the rest of the world, anyway it seems from reading between the lines they don't have a development plan like we have here.

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SSG different formats is close to completion., however what is the fucking point when you allow goalkeeper to drop kick, all you get is the 2nd ball game, the curse of English football culture. They are also removing recording of results of primary school age kids.
Their biggest drawback is the playing time directive 40-60 mins depending on age which restricts the number of games a kid can play in a day ( training program, holiday clubs excluded from this directive)

Nick Levett head of ssg is now proposing retreat lines and no drop kicks from keeper after positive feedback on how it has been adopted in Australia and even Scotland.

England are a 2nd tier football nation and lucky to produce players purely by the numbers game of having 10000 kids in the sausage factory to produce average players. Last world class player was Gazza.

They lack central control on what and how they want to deliver football development.

St Georges park is a nice hotel that incidentally has a few nice football pitches attached.

Still the EPL starts in a few weeks and all will be forgotten.




Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club

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dirkvanadidas wrote:
Barca4Life wrote:
Arthur wrote:
Different point of view of our performance.

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Soccer - Australia v Turkey - Australia a lovely country and its people but clearly they don't have anyone to coach them the first ball game. The socceroos wouldn't learn much from the commentators on this game either. Move the ball they said - take two touches and move the ball on etc - Clueless the bloody lot of them! As Crocodile Dundee would say! Not at all surprising neither because the Australians are so into the second ball game. Tell you what if your not willing to listen to someone that knows how to coach the first ball game then maybe you can find an aborigine to show you the way. Someone has to show you how to play soccer because you display a lot of attributes that come from the second ball game and the second ball game is only useful in the lower leagues of soccer. The second ball game played by Australia? That to me is not a surprise after all the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? Right! Australia under 20's on the way home.

https://www.facebook.com/martin.bidzinski1?hc_location=stream


Well reading that clearly he shows alot of ignorance to us, very small football IQ. ](*,)

He probably didn't bother watching our games anyway, because the way we played it wasn't second ball.

Edited by Barca4life: 3/7/2013 09:56:41 AM



England needs to sort out its own shit first after the abysmal showing in the u20 and u21 teams..
Australia has a vision, philosophy, playing style and coaching education all to under pin this vision. All the things alot of coaches in England want from their FA but the blazers and comb overs at FA are only interested in keeping their snouts in the trough of corporate hospitality.
As for bidzinski ,don't think much of his methods in his books .



Don't England have St George's Park?
And have implemented SSGs too?
Was it supposed it would help England catch up to the rest of the world, anyway it seems from reading between the lines they don't have a development plan like we have here.


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Barca4Life wrote:
Arthur wrote:
Different point of view of our performance.

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Martin Bidzinski
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Soccer - Australia v Turkey - Australia a lovely country and its people but clearly they don't have anyone to coach them the first ball game. The socceroos wouldn't learn much from the commentators on this game either. Move the ball they said - take two touches and move the ball on etc - Clueless the bloody lot of them! As Crocodile Dundee would say! Not at all surprising neither because the Australians are so into the second ball game. Tell you what if your not willing to listen to someone that knows how to coach the first ball game then maybe you can find an aborigine to show you the way. Someone has to show you how to play soccer because you display a lot of attributes that come from the second ball game and the second ball game is only useful in the lower leagues of soccer. The second ball game played by Australia? That to me is not a surprise after all the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? Right! Australia under 20's on the way home.

https://www.facebook.com/martin.bidzinski1?hc_location=stream


Well reading that clearly he shows alot of ignorance to us, very small football IQ. ](*,)

He probably didn't bother watching our games anyway, because the way we played it wasn't second ball.

Edited by Barca4life: 3/7/2013 09:56:41 AM



England needs to sort out its own shit first after the abysmal showing in the u20 and u21 teams..
Australia has a vision, philosophy, playing style and coaching education all to under pin this vision. All the things alot of coaches in England want from their FA but the blazers and comb overs at FA are only interested in keeping their snouts in the trough of corporate hospitality.
As for bidzinski ,don't think much of his methods in his books .

Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club

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Arthur wrote:
Different point of view of our performance.

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Martin Bidzinski
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Soccer - Australia v Turkey - Australia a lovely country and its people but clearly they don't have anyone to coach them the first ball game. The socceroos wouldn't learn much from the commentators on this game either. Move the ball they said - take two touches and move the ball on etc - Clueless the bloody lot of them! As Crocodile Dundee would say! Not at all surprising neither because the Australians are so into the second ball game. Tell you what if your not willing to listen to someone that knows how to coach the first ball game then maybe you can find an aborigine to show you the way. Someone has to show you how to play soccer because you display a lot of attributes that come from the second ball game and the second ball game is only useful in the lower leagues of soccer. The second ball game played by Australia? That to me is not a surprise after all the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? Right! Australia under 20's on the way home.

https://www.facebook.com/martin.bidzinski1?hc_location=stream


Well reading that clearly he shows alot of ignorance to us, very small football IQ. ](*,)

He probably didn't bother watching our games anyway, because the way we played it wasn't second ball.

Edited by Barca4life: 3/7/2013 09:56:41 AM
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Arthur wrote:
Different point of view of our performance.

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Martin Bidzinski
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Soccer - Australia v Turkey - Australia a lovely country and its people but clearly they don't have anyone to coach them the first ball game. The socceroos wouldn't learn much from the commentators on this game either. Move the ball they said - take two touches and move the ball on etc - Clueless the bloody lot of them! As Crocodile Dundee would say! Not at all surprising neither because the Australians are so into the second ball game. Tell you what if your not willing to listen to someone that knows how to coach the first ball game then maybe you can find an aborigine to show you the way. Someone has to show you how to play soccer because you display a lot of attributes that come from the second ball game and the second ball game is only useful in the lower leagues of soccer. The second ball game played by Australia? That to me is not a surprise after all the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? Right! Australia under 20's on the way home.

https://www.facebook.com/martin.bidzinski1?hc_location=stream



With due respect to Martin Bidzinski, he knows little about football.
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Different point of view of our performance.

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Martin Bidzinski
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Soccer - Australia v Turkey - Australia a lovely country and its people but clearly they don't have anyone to coach them the first ball game. The socceroos wouldn't learn much from the commentators on this game either. Move the ball they said - take two touches and move the ball on etc - Clueless the bloody lot of them! As Crocodile Dundee would say! Not at all surprising neither because the Australians are so into the second ball game. Tell you what if your not willing to listen to someone that knows how to coach the first ball game then maybe you can find an aborigine to show you the way. Someone has to show you how to play soccer because you display a lot of attributes that come from the second ball game and the second ball game is only useful in the lower leagues of soccer. The second ball game played by Australia? That to me is not a surprise after all the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? Right! Australia under 20's on the way home.

https://www.facebook.com/martin.bidzinski1?hc_location=stream

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U-20 World Cup Analysis: Australia 1-2 Turkey
June 30, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Posted by editor

Australia took the lead through Jamie MacLaren, but failed to win for the third consecutive match.

Paul Okon made four changes from his starting team against El Salvador, with captain Curtis Good ruled out with a calf injury, and replaced by Brisbane Roar’s James Donachie. Higher up the pitch, the attacking three behind Adam Taggart was completely overhauled, with Connor Pain, Daniel de Silva and Andrew Hoole making way for Corey Gameiro, Jamie MacLaren and Ryan Williams, all starting for the first time in this tournament.

Turkey’s coach Feyyaz Ucar unsurprisingly dropped Cumali Bisi, who had a poor game against Colombia, with Fatih Turan coming onto the right side of defence. Ucar also dropped Ahmet Calik, with Hakan Cinemre replacing him in central defence. Meanwhile, further forward at striker, Artun Akcakan, the captain, started ahead of Ibrahim Yilmaz, who was on the bench.

A strange game to summarise – there were not many overriding ‘tactical’ features, there was little overall pattern, and yet there were three fine goals. Although tellingly, two of them were courtesy of outstanding individual skill.


Sloppiness

The first prominent feature of the game was both team’s carelessness in possession, particularly Australia, who sprayed a number of passes out of play early on. They also turned the ball over cheaply in midfield, allowing Turkey to build a number of quick counter-attacks through the centre. Jackson Irvine, in the centre of midfield, was especially culpable, over hitting two passes in the opening stages when trying to release the wide players in behind.

Interestingly, Okon chose to play Irvine as part of a midfield two, switching to 4-2-3-1 with MacLaren playing higher up, and close to Adam Taggart. Turkey too played with a 4-2-3-1, although with the midfielders Ucan pushing up close to the no.10, Hakan Calhanoglu, they sometimes looked like 4-3-3 – similar to how Australia tilted their midfield triangle against both Colombia and El Salvador. Ucar encouraged his midfielders to come forward on the ball frequently, and intriguingly, in the context of the goals, they had a number of long range shots.

Australian wingers

Gradually Australia grew into the game, becoming more composed on the ball, and beginning to construct more flowing passing moves. It therefore became easier to observe the changes in the dynamics of their attacking play. Previously, with Pain and Hoole, they focused lots of their attacks down the flanks, trying to work the ball into one-on-one situations down the sides.

However, with Williams and Gameiro now playing right and left respectively, there was more variation in their movement. Generally, Williams tried to stay wide and play the “Hoole” role, but it was especially noticeable on the left hand side how Gameiro as more of a second striker, frequently making runs into the space between Turkey’s full-back and centre-back (unsurprising, as he is a centre forward by trade).

This was, of course, how he ended up in the position for Australia’s best chance of the game, where Taggart cleverly found him in space on goal with a clever flick. The Newcastle Jets striker simply looked more comfortable with players more willing to make runs in behind him.

Meanwhile, Williams had Australia’s other clear-cut chance, when he fired a volley at goal from a smart cutback from MacLaren. Again, the move was illustrative of the difference in dynamics. MacLaren moved out into a wide position, and Williams drifted inside into a penalty box position.

Turkey attack

Turkey’s attack was varied, and they enjoyed more possession than Colombia and El Salvador (and so Australia’s banks of four were more obvious than has been the case). As aforementioned, the midfielders often strode forward from deep, sometimes they looked to play through the physicality of Akçakin, and other times, they built up play down one flank, before switching the play intelligently to the opposite side, and thus dragging Australia’s defence out of shape.

Often, it was the right-winger, Cenk Sahin, who moved out close to the touchline while his team had the ball, anticipating the crossfield pass. It was almost as if Turkey had identified this as a weakness. However, Sahin was very predictable when he received the ball, always looking to cut inside onto his preferred left foot.

Whereas this ploy was wildly successful against El Salvador, as he scored two goals, it was less so here, because Sam Galloway recovered quickly and closed him down (and the diligent tracking of Gameiro ahead of him was also a factor).

Instead, it was the left winger, Fulham’s Kerim Frei (referred to as Kerim Koyunlu here) who looked more dangerous, drifting inside into central playmaking positions and often ghosting past Australian defenders with deft touches. His narrowness opened up room for the energetic Ilkay Durmus, who provided good width down the side and provided some dangerous crosses for Gençlerbirligi teammate Akçakin.

Australia become more positive

However, there wasn’t an abundance of creativity in this game. Australia’s defence looked solid (with Connor Chapman switching to the left side of the central defence to accommodate Donachie), while Turkey were happy to sit off out of possession and pressing when the ball was played into midfield, with Fenerbache midfielder Ucan sometimes occupying Irvine off the ball (as Coca had done so successfully in the previous match).

The situation in the group, and the context of the match, increasingly came into play. Colombia had taken the lead against El Salvador, so Australia really needed to push forward for a win, so they became more positive after the break. The full-backs pushed higher up the pitch, the tempo of passing from the back became more urgent, and Okon’s enforced substitution spoke volumes. Having lost Galloway, his left-back, to injury, he chose to shift Jason Geria across to replace him, dropping Josh Brillante into defence and introduced Daniel De Silva into midfield. The 16 year old moved alongside MacLaren in the midfield triangle, with Irvine moving to the base – Australia were now 4-3-3, and really going for it.

Did that have an influence on the goal? Probably. What was important though, was that Brillante was overlapping past Williams when he sent in the cross, because it pushed back Durmus and opened up space (and later, he sent in a dangerous cross of his own). That meant Williams could pick out MacLaren’s well-timed run (he would have been in that position anyway regardless of the change in formation), and Australia had the lead.

It didn’t last long, as Calhanoglu equalised two minutes later with a superb strike from range. It probably was not coincidental that Turkey had had so many long-range attempts earlier, and the manner of the goal was not out of keeping with the majority of their “chances” during the game.

After that, the game became more open, with both sides shifting from one end to the other in search of a winning goal. Australia became more stretched, as the full-backs pushed high up the pitch, and the two central attackers moved into advanced positions. That left Irvine isolated in front of the defence – as the lone holder - there was often space on either side of him, a problem compounded by the movement of Okay Yokuslu and Calhanoglu.

Substitutions

Although Turkey’s coach made a double change at the start of the half, only Okon’s introduction of De Silva was particularly interesting. Okay Yokuslu stayed a little deeper alongside Alpaslan Ozturk, but Turkey’s shape remained the same, with Ibrahim Yilmaz offering a little more pace upfront.

Okon had thrown the dice with De Silva. Hoole swapped with Williams, while Pain’s introduction in the eighty-fifth minute meant Gameiro went centrally, alongside Taggart.

Two minutes later, Yokuslu scored the decisive goal, reminiscent of Shinji Ono’s effort against Brisbane Roar (even the celebration was similar).

End notes

An odd game. The goals were isolated from the tactical features, although all three were technically excellent, and wonderful pieces of skill. It was interesting to see Australia’s attacking dynamics change with different players, but like the previous two games, they did not really create many chances of note despite enjoying good possession. Even though they took the lead in all three games, it was only ever a one goal lead – which allowed the opposition to come back into the game every time.

However, there are promising moments, and signs of cohesion. The key is to take lessons from this tournament, learn from them, and improve for the future. There is little good in introducing a National Curriculum and applying it, if you can’t learn from its weaknesses, adapt to them and become stronger as a result.



http://leopoldmethod.com.au/u-20-world-cup-analysis-australia-1-2-turkey/

Edited by Damo Baresi: 1/7/2013 06:22:53 PM
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