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Quote:The Real reason why kids quit our sport Posted by Dean Holden at May 28th, 2013 by Kathleen Noonan, 18 May 2013 http://www.getsportiq.com/2013/05/the-real-reason-why-our-kids-quit-sport/#comment-3357 WHAT do you reckon is one of the main reasons most kids quit sport? While you’re pondering, let’s absorb this stat from the US: Each year 20 million children register for baseball, soccer, football, hockey and other competitive sports; about 70 per cent of those will quit by age 13.
Also according to the National Alliance for Sports, these kids will never play those sports again. Never.Pass another doughnut and plonk them down at the computer screen until it’s time to take them to hospital in a specially built and reinforced obese person’s ambulance. Never is an awfully long time. While you are standing on the sidelines of the cricket/netball/hockey/rowing this morning before you drive off to another sideline on the other side of town, do you think your child will be among the 30 per cent who stick at it? Well, going by research, if you are a yeller, probably not. Children hate mothers and fathers behaving aggressively on the sideline of junior sports events, especially their own.So, how’s that new barracking rule working for you? You know the one where some sporting codes have introduced lollipops for parents to put in their mouths because their barracking became so out of hand and abusive. I met a man in the butcher’s shop (where all good gossip happens) and he’s talking about his latest efforts coaching junior teams for his three kids – rugby, league and hockey. This is an intelligent, skilled, thoughtful junior coach out there in the nice suburbs of Brisbane. “Every weekend I am called a f—wit and even a c—, on the sideline, in a carpark full of Mercedes and BMWs. Even in front of their kids.”Parents. We’re just fantastic creatures, aren’t we? We tell our kids how much we do for them, driving them everywhere for sport, buy all the gear so they look like mini-professionals – 10-year-olds in $300 boots and top-line $150 compression gear “to reduce lactic acid and muscular fatigue” – and what’s it all about really? If we’re honest, it’s ego. Not the kids’. The parents’ ego.Deep down, if we interrogate our motives, what starts off as wanting our children to be active and learn to love physical activity can sometimes morph into something else. What’s all that hoopla about sons in the first XI and first XV stuff? Yes, it’s admirable to strive to sporting excellence. But when I first moved to Brisbane and realised actual grown-up men were standing around at a party talking and obsessing over that kind of thing, I had to check: “You are talking about your KIDS’ sport, aren’t you?” When I was growing up, parents mostly didn’t really hang around. They dropped you and went off to take care of the other 10 kids in the family. Or did other grown-up things like earn a living, shop for groceries or go to the pub. Mostly we played sport unwatched. The ref wasn’t screamed at and abused by hostile parents. We played our sport for ourselves – basically for the fun of running around a paddock with our mates. And it was bloody fantastic and enormously freeing. Someone who has spent his life playing and coaching sport and pondering how to retain young athletes in sport for life is Peter Gahan, head of player and coach development with Australia Baseball, after years at Queensland Academy of Sport. I rang him to pick his brains about kids and sport (in a month of Bernard Tomic’s father assault charges and Nudgee College’s steroid scandal) and to ask: “Where has all the fun gone?” Fun needs to be at the very heart of sport, says Gahan. Even at the elite level, he says, research now shows all athletes need a fun activity in their training session. He says countries must walk the fine line of wanting elite sportspeople while encouraging mass participation. “Research looking at 8000 schoolchildren in the UK revealed that the perceived lack of competency and ability stopped them from playing. They wanted to impress and look good but they couldn’t, they gave up,” Gahan says.He says New Zealand has introduced a fundamental movement skills program in primary school with a sports officer in those schools to oversee the program. “It covers 14 basic skills including running, hopping, throwing – the basics that are age-specific from Year 1. From what I hear, New Zealand is going to start kicking our arse at the next Olympics because, with this program, they will have a greater pool of athletes to choose from coming through.” He sees the obesity epidemic as entirely avoidable. “A lot of the research on childhood obesity points at the fact that the kids are eating the same amount of calories as their fitter counterparts. They are just not moving. They are sitting in front of a TV or computer.” So, why do most kids quit sport? Well, one of the main reasons, apart from the obvious ones – didn’t like the coach, not enough time, too much pressure – is one parents don’t want to think about: The car ride home. The car ride home after playing sport can be a game-changer. Whether you are five or 16, the journey from ground to home can be a non-stop parent teaching moment. Whether you’ve played well or lousy, your dad can let you know what you should have done. Should have run when you should have passed, should have kicked. He becomes one of those shoulda- coulda-woulda dads. Mum goes off about the netball umpire, bitch, and your coach not giving you enough playing time, cow. Yep, that car ride home can be pure joy. If you can, try not to stuff up the car ride home, Gahan says. The car ride home is when the kid just wants to quietly let the game sink in – whether a win or a loss. They know if they’ve played well or badly. You don’t need to tell them. The car’s a pretty intense closed environment. They can sense your every thought, disappointment, anger, even a bit too much pride. It’s all there, crowding in. Every sigh, every shrug is amplified. So, I ask, what do you say on the car ride home? Gahan says: “What about, ‘geez, I love watching you play out there’?”
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Intersting article, Arthur.:)
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krones3
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Good points but what of committee politics and nepotism do you think they turn kids away. Ie a player is good but the kid of a VIP is chosen the kid never gets a run and the good player is forced to a lower division how will the good player react?
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krones3 wrote:Good points but what of committee politics and nepotism do you think they turn kids away. Ie a player is good but the kid of a VIP is chosen the kid never gets a run and the good player is forced to a lower division how will the good player react? Good point kroner....Nepotism is also a huge reason why kids good at sport, give it up. They work hard, do the right thing, but get overlook time and again for the coaches son, coaches friend's son, VIP son etc.
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krones3 wrote:Good points but what of committee politics and nepotism do you think they turn kids away. Ie a player is good but the kid of a VIP is chosen the kid never gets a run and the good player is forced to a lower division how will the good player react? Fair point that's a fairly minor number of kids affected overall. I think parental "over-participation" is by far a bigger reason. Bad coaching - ie, abusive, unfair expectation, plays a massive part as well. Continual losing due to kids playing at the wrong level plays a part in demotivating them as well. But I'd agree that parental pressure is the biggest factor. There are a few serious nutters out there, most of whom are completely unaware of their own behaviour or actually think it's appropriate.
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Arthur
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thupercoach wrote: Fair point that's a fairly minor number of kids affected overall. I think parental "over-participation" is by far a bigger reason.
Bad coaching - ie, abusive, unfair expectation, plays a massive part as well.
Continual losing due to kids playing at the wrong level plays a part in demotivating them as well.
But I'd agree that parental pressure is the biggest factor. There are a few serious nutters out there, most of whom are completely unaware of their own behaviour or actually think it's appropriate.
Further to your point; Quote:Watching the youngest age groups play today is like watching a Premier League for tots. Seven-year-olds with David Beckham haircuts and the latest Adidas boots pull on their ‘Dudley Tyre Care’ sponsored shirts and raintops sponsored by ‘Boothroyd, Cripps and Pottinger, Family Solicitors’. They totter up and down the pitch in front of a full house of mums, dads, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, grandparents, second cousins and all.
This enthusiastic gathering can become very rowdy and explodes into sheer ecstasy when their team scores, but rarely applauds either goals or skilful football from the opposition. What do the children learn from all this? Not that football’s a beautiful game, that’s for sure. They learn you’re a hero if you win and go home with the Man of the Match trophy and a Mars bar, your dad telling you how one day you’ll play for England. But if you lose you’re a villain – and it’s a frosty car ride home with your dad analysing every mistake.http://www.footy4kids.co.uk/kids_football_and_failure.htm I love the below because believe it or not I have seen this happen this year Quote:I once watched an under 9s game where one team had the coach and assistant coach standing by each goalpost continually barking orders to the keeper. Meanwhile, a parent on each touchline ran up and down shouting other instructions. http://www.footy4kids.co.uk/kids_football_and_failure.htm This I see a lot; Quote:The next game I saw was an under 8s. The team came out for a 30 minute warm-up which would have exhausted a crack team of US Navy Seals, involving running around the pitch, shuttle runs, sit ups and press ups with not a ball in sight. The substitutes weren’t used as, according to the coach, the game was too close, and the kids were all kept in the changing room for 30 minutes after the game for a debrief.http://www.footy4kids.co.uk/kids_football_and_failure.htm And I still reckon the FFA's policy of playing U12's on a full size pitch is wrong and actually goes against the National Curriculum intent, it favours the early physical developer and therefore affects the late developer who may decide to give up the game due to lack of success or fun.
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At clubs I played in when I was young the politics were the major factor. I've seen whole teams stopped playing because the coach quit or left and the players no longer got automatic qualification into the top side because their parents were in the inner circle.
Other than that the kids that I noticed dropping out were the ones that didn't have their parents at the ground supporting. The ones that had to either ride or rely on other players parents to get to each game.
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thupercoach wrote:krones3 wrote:Good points but what of committee politics and nepotism do you think they turn kids away. Ie a player is good but the kid of a VIP is chosen the kid never gets a run and the good player is forced to a lower division how will the good player react? Fair point that's a fairly minor number of kids affected overall. I think parental "over-participation" is by far a bigger reason. Bad coaching - ie, abusive, unfair expectation, plays a massive part as well. Continual losing due to kids playing at the wrong level plays a part in demotivating them as well. But I'd agree that parental pressure is the biggest factor. There are a few serious nutters out there, most of whom are completely unaware of their own behaviour or actually think it's appropriate. Yep some of the flaws thuper - especially us here in the larger cities. Club Admin politics will always be the bigger problem imo, and surprisingly they don't see this hurts their own club but the blind eye is turned, utter disgrace tbh. Arthur agree that U12's playing on full pitch is wrong - sure there's always the more developed players that gain more by it but more so to me the pitch is just too big in general still, OK forget PL/train on squads who are the "gifted" ones and fairly picked (in jest) but at lower level some can't even reach the 6yard box when taking a corner for eg. Oh the SUV soccer Mums/Dads, well at least they support the game but pity many are just as the world we live in today - loser, not looking the part, say what you like instead of being taught on being a good sport is the modern day want it now germ. I'm afraid this is not going to change but more so get worse !
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The club I'm involved with runs an U12s comp which is 9 a side (8 plus a keeper), favouring a 3-2-3. All the boys have improved out of sight. The lack of focus on winning keeps parental "involvement" to a minimum and all the boys seem happier for it.
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Good read, I just kept nodding my head. From U6-U12 I only have very positive memories of football. No parents at training (they'd all turn up when it was time to go) and fantastic coaches who made things fun (no beep tests or silly circuits, vivid memories of technical drills). From U13 onwards was when the other kids' fathers began the incessant barking of orders to everyone in the team - one in particular would turn up to training to give us ridiculous tactical talks. Looking back, you begin to realise they had no actual understanding of football. I still often see one previous coach walking around in his Brisbane Broncos jersey. Futsal never had any of this baggage and I still play every week.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Definitely on the money. Some of the parents I saw when I was playing were absolutely crazy. I truly feel for these kids. One kid was pulled out of the team by her mother because she occasionally on the bench. I think one of the big issues often is the parents' lack of knowledge on the game. I used to play goalkeeper, behind a defence that was shakey at the best of times (because all of the "good" kids were played further up the field), and would cop the blame for conceding a goal from some parents and their kids despite some of the defending (or lack of) in front of me. That's one of the reasons why I stopped playing.
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Maybe, just maybe, kids give up sport (and playing with toys) 'cos they grow out of it?
Now, try being a good parent and respect your kid's decision.
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I saw the saddest thing in an U7 match earlier this season. A father standing behind the goal line yelling at his son to kick it harder. The kids had already been coached to only kick and chase anyway. This father kept at his 7 year old son, telling him (and everyone else within 50 mtrs) how disappointed he was in him. This from a team representing one of the highest income suburbs in Australia. Poor kid.
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In the fields of dreams, many kids are coming a poor second Date July 14, 2013 Read later Daniella Miletic  Children from wealthy families are almost twice as likely to play sport on the weekend as children from poorer families, who are missing out, especially on the more expensive sports such as swimming, tennis and hockey. A study on income-related disparities in sport, which is shedding light on the way schools help to maintain equality during the week, has also revealed a disturbing gap in the amount of exercise and sport children from low-income families receive compared with their peers. The study, by South Australian researcher Carol Maher, shows children from low-income families get about 25 minutes less physical activity a day compared with children from well-off families. That figure jumps to about 40 minutes less on weekends. For every $10,000 increment in household income, physical activity decreases by nine minutes for poorer children on a Saturday or Sunday. Advertisement The study found sport accounted for about half of the difference in physical exercise across the income groups. It found children from low-income families played half as much sport on weekends (23 minutes against 45 minutes). Researchers from the University of South Australia last year weighed, measured and surveyed 528 children aged from nine to 11 from 26 schools across Adelaide whose household incomes ranged from less than $20,000 to more than $140,000. The research comes after a Smith Family report released earlier this month found that almost half of the nation's most disadvantaged children did not play sport outside school. Dr Maher said factors such as club fees and the cost of uniforms were stifling access to sport. Transport and supervision were also factors, because some clubs required parents to be present at training and games. Dr Maher said this could be difficult for low-income parents, who were more likely to be shift workers or had jobs that had inflexible hours. Children from high-income families were more likely to play tennis, hockey, soccer and swim, the study found. Cricket was particularly popular among children from lower socio-economic backgrounds. Basketball, football and netball also appeared to be more accessible. Dr Maher said to boost participation, clubs needed to subsidise fees for children from low-income families. She said car pooling and agreement among parents to supervise each other's children could also help. ''I also think there is a need for more informal sporting opportunities,'' she said. ''Kids don't tend to have a kick of soccer at the local park any more.'' Professor Jo Salmon of Deakin University believes the divide between rich and poor widens in high school, when adolescents rely more on sport and organised exercise to stay fit. Princes Hill mother-of-three Sally Reid is not surprised by the findings. Describing her household as belonging to a higher-income bracket, she said sport can be expensive and time-consuming. Each of her children, Alex Rusjan, 13, Anna Rusjan, 11, and Samuel Rusjan, 9, play at least two sports and spend about an hour a day playing sport outside of school hours - on weekends, this climbs to at least two hours. All three children belong to the Brunswick Hockey Club, for which Ms Reid said there was an annual club fee of about $250 per child. Gear can also be pricey. ''If you have kids like mine who like expensive sticks, you can pay up to $200 and $300,'' she said. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/in-the-fields-of-dreams-many-kids-are-coming-a-poor-second-20130713-2px5t.html#ixzz2YzyeDVke
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There is no need to tell you the income of those on the committees and boards of these youth sports. No doubt the wealthy parents are on the committees especially in academies.Until we as a Zone address the income problems of our teams we will always have this problem.Thanks for the link to the spread sheet.
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slee45 wrote:krones3 wrote:Good points but what of committee politics and nepotism do you think they turn kids away. Ie a player is good but the kid of a VIP is chosen the kid never gets a run and the good player is forced to a lower division how will the good player react? Good point kroner....Nepotism is also a huge reason why kids good at sport, give it up. They work hard, do the right thing, but get overlook time and again for the coaches son, coaches friend's son, VIP son etc. Yep. When I was a lad still in primary school, not the behemoth I am today :lol: I had a trial for a Marconi rep team (GK). Lost out to the coaches son and the son's best mate. Neither were better. Year later the rest my club team had broken up/quit/moved, we were merged into a second team at the club, lost the GK spot to the existing keeper (the coach literally held penalty shootout run by the coach to determine who was first choice, so of course he blasted at me and softly passed it to the other guy). That's when I and most of the guys from my team (having also been benched) quit the club and stopped playing football. Who knows, maybe I'd be going to Brazil if that coaches son was a fullback and not a keeper. :lol:
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Arthur wrote:
And I still reckon the FFA's policy of playing U12's on a full size pitch is wrong and actually goes against the National Curriculum intent, it favours the early physical developer and therefore affects the late developer who may decide to give up the game due to lack of success or fun.
Totally agree on this. I've watched a number of U12 games this year and I have seen teams struggle on the bigger pitch. Having recently completed my Junior Football Licence I asked the co-ordinator about whether he thought U12s should still be playing on smaller pitches he said that it had recently been changed due to feedback received. I am an U10 coach and even though I have a number of good players I can see them struggle on a full size pitch in two years time.
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