Interesting that it is coming to this

I am probably leaning toward the clubs on this one, just make the system like the NSW model and be done with it

It's not quite as practical to have some kind of A League type system at State/community level as it is national level


What do you think about the FourFourTwo article Legal bid launched to stop FFV's NPL?
REBEL clubs have now launched a legal bid to stop Football Federation Victoria's National Premier League before it even begins.

Have your say.

On this we disagree NUFCMVFC. It doesn’t happen often - but we do on this. Victoria is not NSW and had a very different development challenge to the heartland state of the game for a variety of reasons – and this in addition to the need to contribute to the development of Australian football more broadly. The proposed model, while certainly one that can be improved upon, is the right direction for football in this State. Of that I am convinced. What really matters now is will a court find that there is a prima face case that the FFV have acted extra-constitutionally of that the tender process itself was in some way unlawful and must be stopped? If so this will take years to solve - if not - South Melbourne FC (my state league club) will have the most to lose. They have been foolish indeed with respect to their vision for the club.

Put aside the NPL for a second and look at it this way... You're the director of an organisation which is considering applying for a new project, you look into the feasibility of the project and your projections show that your best case scenario is a 100k loss. Do you go ahead with a tender for the project?

Interesting how Victoria's model is so isolated to the rest of the country's model

It is clear that the regulation criteria set by the FFV is more suited to consortia rather than clubs - clubs view the FFV model as a land grab and designed to either rip the club structures at their core or for the FFV to move in and control these clubs - either way the NPL in Vic is designed to marginalize the clubs

who is to say if the FFV model of the NPL_V is succeesful then the other states are not next in line

If I was tasked to develope a model that would systematically ensure that homogeneous organic clubs drop off and make way for licenced consortiums - the FFV model is the model I would deploy - once achieved in Vic - I would then sytematically roll out to the other states in time for 2022

On the other hand if the FFV NPL model was deplyed nationally in one swoop - a national rebel league would have kicked off by now

I refuse to believe the FFV model is an accident - it is very specific - too specific for the capability of the FFV alone

we the clubs will protect our species since the FFV whom is paid by the clubs will not

Victorian football is on the verge of a Nuclear Winter

Apparently the one and only vpl club still interested (Richmond FC) will now not be applying as the council has refused to support their application.

Another hammer blow for the ffv.

Istill can't work out why FFA haven't set up the same administrative model for each state and parachuted the managers into leadership roles.Just who is running football in this cou try ? fFA or state associations.Come on FFA show some leadership .One model for all with some variability to suit special requirements.Elections for leadership of state bodies and you are on your way.But absolute control should start at the top and work it's way down.The last thing we need is a duplicate of federal and state politics.

Apparently Richmond has now also dropped out of the NPL_V

To "Sydney Croatia" above. Well put. The answer to that is absolutely not. I don't for a minute expect any office holder of any organisation (incorporated or otherwise)to act in any way that is counter to the interests of that organisation. However, I also expect the FFV to act in the interests of the entire game. Don’t want to be in the NPL-V then don't apply. But that is not what this is all about and we all know it.

i did not know it what is it all about?

The FFA can’t act (for constitutional reasons) in the way suggested y "crimsoncrusoe" suggests and in respect to the comments of "chris" - the NPL-V model has more in common with the NPL-Q and the proposed NPL-WA than it does with NPL-NSW. It is not even remotely accurate to suggest the NPL-V is "isolated" relative to the "rest of the country".

So you admitted that you understand why these clubs wont apply as it would see them collapse financially...and at the same time say that these clubs actions are a hindrance to the progression of Australian football.
Your belief that the NPLV is the same as the NPLQ and WA is besides the point

Is it worth noting at this time that Richmond have pulled out of the NPL process because their local council has withdrawn support. Local council - not an ethnic club with self-interest at heart, no hidden agenda. The council has simply looked at what is required by the FFV and decided that they can not provide a guarantee.

So again, another non-ethnic, non-'old sokkah' organisation, walking away from the FFV's model because of a lack of flexibility in the FFV's process.

What's in the good of the game for the NPL in Victoria?

I'd say that if the kids are working for 11 months, with better coaches, if there is wider geographical spread of teams, all with facilities meeting the required standards, and if there is some form of PPS to ensure that the kids get first team opportunities, then the best interests of the game are served. I'd also add that the best interests of the game are served if the clubs are able to operate without making large losses, and that the best interests of football in general, and the players at clubs, is served by the retention of promotion/relegation at least between the top two divisions, to ensure the reduction of 'lame duck' regions that for lack of numbers can't compete with the more populated urban clubs.

Actually the club has German heritage, or does that count as non ethnic around these parts?:lol:

What is it about then?

No Director of a Club can enter the NPLV without a forecast of a balanced budget. It would be illegal under corporations law.



And this doesn't come from one source.



from all reports Bulleen who upto yesterday had been forging along with the NPLV and creating two seperate entities one NPLV and one Community is now fracturing as the Football Committee has resigned and it appears many are not happy with being shunted to the Community side.



Pretty much speaks for itself really.


This is a very "hot topic" When a coach who is required to train a team three times a week for 40 weeks and attend approx 34 games.
This represents a commitment of 200 hours and further education costs.

Does anyone know how much coaches around the country are being paid top coach junior teams in NPL?

Mahony how much do you think this job should pay? taking into consideration the hours involved, further education costs and the fact that these coaches will be working on the future elite player?





Edited by Arthur: 9/8/2013 11:23:19 AM

Edited by Arthur: 9/8/2013 11:24:07 AM

@Decazz - I made no such admission. I simply explained that I can understand the motivations of other ‘rational’ (in the legal sense) people. It doesn’t mean they are right. I happen to think they are wrong in general terms (and specifically wrong at law) and indeed are participating in a political campaign because of the threat the NPL-V presents to their already reduced influence post-Crawford in Victoria. That, however, is my opinion as someone who does politics for a living. You are entitled to yours. However ultimately, this will be decided by the parties by either (1) completion of the present process and establishment of the NPL-V next year; or (2) subsequent to the provision of injunctive relief (if it is sought and provided) an out-of-court settlement on the steps of the Supreme Court of Victoria next year some time. Regardless, I doubt we will see a judgement on a substantive legal question.

@Decazz - I made no such admission. I simply explained that I can understand the motivations of other ‘rational’ (in the legal sense) people. It doesn’t mean they are right. I happen to think they are wrong in general terms (and specifically wrong at law) and indeed are participating in a political campaign because of the threat the NPL-V presents to their already reduced influence post-Crawford in Victoria. That, however, is my opinion as someone who does politics for a living. You are entitled to yours. However ultimately, this will be decided by the parties by either (1) completion of the present process and establishment of the NPL-V next year; or (2) subsequent to the provision of injunctive relief (if it is sought and provided) an out-of-court settlement on the steps of the Supreme Court of Victoria next year some time. Regardless, I doubt we will see a judgement on a substantive legal question.

You'd possibly have a point if it was just the Melbourne Knights and South Melbourne kicking up a stink. But it's 48 clubs + numerous councils + an independent body that represents councils in Vic.

So either a very small number of clubs have enormous influence over other clubs and huge lobbying power with councils and other independent bodies... or you're looking for a story that doesn't exist.

You're asking clubs to put all their faith in an organisation which has shown itself to be incapable of running and promoting its premier competition in the past. It struggles to organise and run its annual Cup competition. It continually neglects its member clubs. It's an organisation which just posted a large loss. The same organisation is saying "put your club's future in our hands and everything will turn out ok. We dont know how, we dont know why, but just take our word for it. But if things to go tits up, then you're on your own"

Any rational person would think twice if put in that position.

@SydneyCroatia. I still have a point, even if you don’t accept it. I would respond to your point, however, by saying that I don't confuse a political campaign with absolute righteousness. Never have - never will. Time will tell who "wins" - but that is a different question to "what is best for football?". On this you and I can absolutely, respectfully disagree :-)

I was referring to the council who withdrew their support, rather than the club who they withdrew the support from. Richmond would have gone ahead had the council supported them.

Can you supply examples of why listening to and addressing the concerns of the 'rebels' would be in any way bad for the game?

from all reports Bulleen who upto yesterday had been forging along with the NPLV and creating two seperate entities one NPLV and one Community is now fracturing as the Football Committee has resigned and it appears many are not happy with being shunted to the Community side.


That's an understatement!! Dig deeper say it clearer

Does anyone know what Bulleen's actual position is?

I have only heard third or fourth hand, so I can only wait for more information.

If youy know more please share it.

At an information night held on Wed, the Veneto club president with FFV present told Bulleen lion members ( a club of 800+ )that they would no longer play for the Bulleen lions after this season end subject to NPL approval.They offered to assist were legally allowed in helping to set up a new club but basically those (who choose to stay )had to start from scratch and were on there own.

Edited by wizardinoz: 9/8/2013 03:15:23 PM

Edited by wizardinoz: 9/8/2013 03:42:51 PM

Actually Richmond haven't withdrawn, despite claims that they had. They just sent out a very angry email asking the rebel clubs not to speak on their behalf about it.

Kevin,
Its PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, look at the Council minutes from Tuesday, whether Richmond announce it or not....doesnt matter, its in the Public Domain

Edited by troy5: 9/8/2013 03:09:07 PM

So whether they announce it themsleves or not, is a mute point.

Dissapointing that Richmond was prepared to look after its own self interest over the expense of countless clubs fighting for the common benefit

This afternoon's email is pretty categoric:

Dear Nicholas

It is extremely disappointing that you have chosen to send out this communication on our behalf without our knowledge or approval.

As of today we are still in the EOI process and have not withdrawn or notified the FFV as such.

If as a club we decide to withdraw from the process then we will send out our own communication accordingly.

Best regards

Frank

Frank Stranges
Richmond Soccer Club

How does Richmond go about getting a license under the current ffv criteria to begin with?