In before chris/Benjamin.


What do you think about the FourFourTwo article Injunction stalls Victoria's NPL plans?
THE Magistrate's Court has slapped an injunction on Football Federation Victoria, preventing the implementation of the National Premier League in the state until the case can be heard in the Supreme Court.

Have your say.

Fuck me. What a shit time for Victorian elite football!

NPL will be up and running in Vic in 2014
The FFVs version will not

THANK GOODNESS (by goodness i mean the co-signatory clubs)

We've been celebrating since 10am...

If zone representatives voted to replace the FFV board,it seems the whole court case should become redundant ,assuming new board members are aligned with the'rebel' clubs.

Zone reps have voted to remove the board - but the board is not required to pay any attention to the zone reps. The bizarre complexities of the FFV.

This is how much power the football community has over football in Australia.
- zone reps are voted for by the football community - but the zone reps actually appear to have no power.
- clubs pay the fees which keep the governing body solvent, yet the FFV openly ignores those clubs.
- the FFV propose an NPL system which differs from every other state/territory in Australia, every major club in the state rejects and objects to that model, the zone reps object to that model, and the FFV moves on anyway.

It takes an independent magistrate to listen to the arguments of both sides and make a legally binding decision to stop the FFV from charging on. It's not good for football that the FFV opted to take things in this direction - whatever their master plan may have been - it could never work without the backing of the football community.

So The FFV have an agenda nobody understands or supports,are answerable to no one and are at complete odds with the people they are supposed to represent.Furthermore they get paid by the people they are supposed to represent.
Classic meglomania.But this has to be one of the most bizzarre setups.Even FIFA and the FFA aren't that untouchable.Are they?
Hmmm it seems there is a pattern emerging.

Technically the FFA are in the same boat - the first chairman wasn't elected, he then selected the board, the next chairman can only be elected by the existing board, you can only get on the board if the chairman and the current board vote you on, etc. They are pretty untouchable.

FIFA is a set of rules all to itself.

Victoria !! lets actively work to hold the game back in this country why not we have done it for years and years no wonder we dont compete internationally....only in the last 7 have we started to move forward! Wake up Victoria get with the proram and work for the country, not your petty egos and little empires in the football world!! think big picture it does work!!!

Who's this directed at - the football supporters, the players, the club officials, the zone reps, or the board of the FFV?

HEART OUT, HELLAS IN

Once we consign the "Hellas" chants and references to history (along with the flares) then we may get a look at growing the brand of "South"
Isn't the problem with the ffv really all about the perception that the major clubs in Melbourne are parochial and ethnically based? would it not be smart to promote the club to a broad base?
How many Greeks are in the senior team anyway?
Time to move on

Yeh not calling the club Hellas (land of the greeks) might help change the perception. Especially when south itself has done so much work (and successful work) to get away from that image

The A-League sides have been complaining for years about a lack of funds for promotion - imagine how little is around at state league level. There just aren't the funds to promote the clubs as open to all.

All we can do is keep telling people that everyone is welcome.

As for Greeks in the senior team - apparently that's unimportant window dressing, the names that matter are those on the board. For the record though - the very Greek sounding South team is currently: Gavalas, Mala, Kearney, Kelly, Bran, Holmes, Jawardi, Soolsma, Epifano, Hooper and Rixon. Two Greeks.

THIS.
We are lucky that FFA are not (quite) this crazy. But if they were, the clubs can't do much about it. We are lucky that the people running Football NSW are not as idiotic as the people running FFV. FFV should never tried to implement their idea in the first place. They should have listened when the clubs said it wasn't doable. Now even more of football's money is being wasted in legal fees. We can only hope that it leads to some changes at FFV.

Edited by australiantibullus: 8/10/2013 02:36:52 PM

Worst thing is - the FFV probably could have had 75% of their model if they'd just bent a little... But their complete inflexibility means they will get maybe 10% of it, and in the process the boardmembers will most likely lose their positions.

And I'd argue that the FFA were almost this crazy up until the changing of the guard from Buckley to Gallop. The ill-will between the owners and the FFA, and most of the bad feeling between supporters and the governing body, was generated under Buckley's watch, culminating in Lowy having to step over BB to sort things out with Tinkler. If someone like Gallop had been in charge earlier I strongly suspect we'd have a stronger, larger league than we currently have.

I just had a look at the Queensland Football website, WOW!!! We are miles behind them, no wonder their kids do well at national Level. Their NPL and designated zones look very impressive, as does the opportunities from U12's upwards to work towards trials etc. The FFV is killing the game in Victoria, killing it!!

Agreed, just had a look and it is impressive, actual trials for npl teams for 2014. If the club consortium really want to get an npl going for next year, they need to be organising trials, clubs and teams now. If the naming of nplv is a problem, they can call it something else and just do it! All the VPL clubs need to get on this...

Edited by australiantibullus: 8/10/2013 04:08:57 PM

I thought the expansion in Queensland was a mess. Probably did more damage than good for the game up there. Not to mention the costs involved. (I STILL don't understand what the hell the Hearts are suppose to be representing, although I can see the comparative low costs involved for creating the team and if there was any city that could get away with it, its Melbourne.)

The problem was partly Buckley and partly the ongoing problem that the A league has no independence from FFA like in most countries. The Japanese football body and J league are in the same building and support each other but are technically separate from each other. The franchise owners can't be expected to be treated as voiceless ATMS.

From what I can gather, Buckley was too much a yes-man to Lowy - thus there was very little thought process at the FFA. Gallop allegedly only took the job on the condition that he got to have a genuine influence over the processes within the organisation.

The Queensland expansion was a total mess because it was driven by the wrong factors - expansion to suit a world cup bid which was at best a long shot, rather than expansion to suit the best expansion bids. Heart could have represented something specific in Melbourne, but the worry appeared to be that if they represented 20% of the population they would have no chance with the other 80% - so rather than chase a hardcore identity they ended up being a second option for those who didn't like Victory. I've heard a number of alternative concepts, but when it boils down to it 'Not Victory' is there designation.

The way the failed bids in Canberra and West Sydney were treated (and for that matter the original bid on the Gold Coast), the poor selection of the Sydney Rovers bid (and the way they were given info), the way Constantine was handled, the way they appeared to try and dupe Tinkler out of extra money... The hiring of Peter Hargitay for the world cup bid, the disposal of Bonita Mersiades, etc. All bad moves.

In the words of Jeff Stelling, "they will be dancing in the streets of Athens tonight."

LOL Dumb Mexicans. I want Moroolbark back!

Treat the NPLV like the NSW model and there will be no issues. Morons.

Scrap the points system. It's not a glorified state league.

That's what the clubs have been saying since day one.

We should be astounded that it came to this, but we're not.
Unfortunately.

The only winners are the lawyers.

FFV Release to NPL Applicants

Dear Applicant

Please see below an NPL Update:

Orders by the Magistrates’ Court

As you know the Chief Magistrate made orders on 7 October 2013:

1. That the plaintiffs’ claim be transferred to the Supreme Court for a full hearing; and,

2. That FFV is restrained, until further order by the Court (which will now be the Supreme Court), from
(a) announcing successful applicants for NPL in 2014, and
(b) taking any further step towards establishing, organising or implementing NPL in 2014 and beyond.

It is important to understand that this is not a restraint from ever implementing NPL. The injunction operates only until a further order of the court. In effect this is until the current claim by the plaintiffs is determined at a full hearing or until the action is otherwise settled or resolved.

In relation to the transfer to the Supreme Court His Honour decided that because the sport involves so many people and is a ‘major community activity’ the claim raised a ‘matter of general importance’ which justified it being heard by the higher court.

What happens next in the legal action?

The actual date for a full hearing has not been set and will not be set until there is a ‘directions hearing’ in the Supreme Court. We expect that hearing will take place in the next few weeks. Even with an order from the court that the matter be heard as quickly as possible the court lists are such that at the very earliest the hearing would not be until December and most likely not until late January/early February 2014.

What will happen with NPL in 2014?

We remain committed to implementing an NPL competition in 2014 if possible and we are currently working through our options to make that happen and resolve the current impasse within the contstraints of the current temporary injunction.

We understand and appreciate that all of you who worked hard to submit applications for an NPL Licence need some certainty as soon as possible as to whether NPL will proceed or not in 2014. Of course so do we. Whilst we cannot give you any specific detail right now we hope to be in a position to do so by the end of next week.

Until then we ask for your continued patience. Rest assured that we will let you know as soon as we have more information for you.

Kind regards

Samantha Black
Communications Consultant

A.
Non-Football people should not go anywhere near trying to re-engineer our game or creating strategy. They are not qualified. That is why Victoria is in the mess it is in. We have had inexperienced people at Board and management level creating their own strategy............refer WA Federation CEO statement 7 Oct 2013

"Victoria went a little bit too far with some of their criteria and their aspects which either I and some of the other CEO's questioned under what basis because they certainly weren't part of the NPL criteria".

B.
Non-Football people can certainly 'administer' our game. They can focus on governance, process, project management, marketing, HR etc, Elements that are transferable from other businesses and or codes. Little damage can be done if you get parts of this wrong.

However

THE PROBLEM IS WHEN ........Non Football people think they can design strategy and re-engineer our code........that is when disaster strikes...........that is then further compounded by the Board & management's low calibre of professional ability

In a nut shell...... that is what the crux of the problem is in Victoria.

Victoria has a long list of non-football people writing/driving strategy

Clubs have had a gut full and do not trust the intent or the ability of the ffv Board and management team

Thank god the highest authority in the land is the......Court

Personally can't wait to see in the Supreme Court the board members and management teams.... emails......minutes......full financials.....correspondence to the FFA....FFV reports......maybe we can also dig out the Jacobs report that's been hidden all these years.

They all need to be held accountable for their ineptitude .......and damage their mismanagement has inflicted on our code.

While that is moving ahead with the Supreme Court......and at the same time......we need to start again and create a new ' Incorporated Association' to provide 'Outsourced Services' to clubs.....