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RedKat wrote:
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Is it cruelty though? They'd suffer a lot with only 3 legs. Putting them out of their misery seems reasonable to me


Its cruelty that the horse has been pushed so far out of its limits that its been put in a situation where having it put down is the nicest thing to do

Clearly it's not "out of its limits" if other horses have demonstrated it to be achievable. Not to mention that there were multiple qualification events it had to make it through in order to compete which it clearly survived.

It sucks, but it's a fact of the "Sport". They can spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars rehabilitating the horse for it to never race again, or they can just put it out of its misery.


Theres variation in horses just like variation in humans. Whilst many of the other horses were in their limits (but you could argue with the article i posted describing that 90% endure lung bleeding- so many horses may have endured this or similar injuries but it wasnt as visible) this horse was clearly pushed to the extreme for peoples enjoyment and had to be killed because it had suffered such a cruel injury (again not saying it shouldnt have bene put down but rather should never have been put in a situation where being put down was teh only humane option)

Any major injury a racehorse suffers is going to see it put down because it's cheaper than investing in money in a horse that will probably never race again.
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RedKat wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
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pv4 wrote:
Is it cruelty though? They'd suffer a lot with only 3 legs. Putting them out of their misery seems reasonable to me


Its cruelty that the horse has been pushed so far out of its limits that its been put in a situation where having it put down is the nicest thing to do

Clearly it's not "out of its limits" if other horses have demonstrated it to be achievable. Not to mention that there were multiple qualification events it had to make it through in order to compete which it clearly survived.

It sucks, but it's a fact of the "Sport". They can spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars rehabilitating the horse for it to never race again, or they can just put it out of its misery.


Theres variation in horses just like variation in humans. Whilst many of the other horses were in their limits (but you could argue with the article i posted describing that 90% endure lung bleeding- so many horses may have endured this or similar injuries but it wasnt as visible) this horse was clearly pushed to the extreme for peoples enjoyment and had to be killed because it had suffered such a cruel injury (again not saying it shouldnt have bene put down but rather should never have been put in a situation where being put down was teh only humane option)

But it's not like the horse was picked off a farm for this one off race. It's been breed for racing, its spent its whole life racing and training. It got the all clear from the vets prior to the race and had spent months preparing for this race. Its placed at this distance before and won a couple of races at 3000 metres, in fact it won its last two races. It was a high quality horse cut down by a freak accident.
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:
RedKat wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
RedKat wrote:
pv4 wrote:
Is it cruelty though? They'd suffer a lot with only 3 legs. Putting them out of their misery seems reasonable to me


Its cruelty that the horse has been pushed so far out of its limits that its been put in a situation where having it put down is the nicest thing to do

Clearly it's not "out of its limits" if other horses have demonstrated it to be achievable. Not to mention that there were multiple qualification events it had to make it through in order to compete which it clearly survived.

It sucks, but it's a fact of the "Sport". They can spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars rehabilitating the horse for it to never race again, or they can just put it out of its misery.


Theres variation in horses just like variation in humans. Whilst many of the other horses were in their limits (but you could argue with the article i posted describing that 90% endure lung bleeding- so many horses may have endured this or similar injuries but it wasnt as visible) this horse was clearly pushed to the extreme for peoples enjoyment and had to be killed because it had suffered such a cruel injury (again not saying it shouldnt have bene put down but rather should never have been put in a situation where being put down was teh only humane option)

But it's not like the horse was picked off a farm for this one off race. It's been breed for racing, its spent its whole life racing and training. It got the all clear from the vets prior to the race and had spent months preparing for this race. Its placed at this distance before and won a couple of races at 3000 metres, in fact it won its last two races. It was a high quality horse cut down by a freak accident.


This. When a footballer breaks his leg has he been cruely pushed beyond his limits for our entertainment.

Also not sure people realise how critical the racing industry is to the country's economy
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afromanGT wrote:
RedKat wrote:
pv4 wrote:
Is it cruelty though? They'd suffer a lot with only 3 legs. Putting them out of their misery seems reasonable to me


Its cruelty that the horse has been pushed so far out of its limits that its been put in a situation where having it put down is the nicest thing to do

Clearly it's not "out of its limits" if other horses have demonstrated it to be achievable. Not to mention that there were multiple qualification events it had to make it through in order to compete which it clearly survived.

It sucks, but it's a fact of the "Sport". They can spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars rehabilitating the horse for it to never race again, or they can just put it out of its misery.


I'm not an activist for animals or anything I do follow horse racing but imagine if it was the jockey that was horribly injured. It's amazing how quickly the scenario changes when you replace the horse with a human.

I dislike the common view that horses (or other animals) are dispensible.
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Why they had to kill broken down Melbourne Cup horse Verema

THE horrific leg injury suffered by Verema in the Melbourne Cup yesterday meant that veterinarians had no alternative but to have the mare humanely destroyed.

Verema had suffered a shocking break to her near-foreleg cannon bone, the injury so catastrophic that expert veterinary opinion determined she be put down immediately rather than suffer unnecessarily.

This may seem a harsh, even primitive option but really there is no other alternative.

Over the decades, veterinary science has tried many different methods to attempt to save a horse's life after it suffers a similar leg break.

For example, some very valuable stallions, worth up to $100 million, have suffered similar injuries and efforts have been made to save their lives by placing the injured horse in a flotation tank for weeks, even months, to take the weight off the injured leg and assist the healing process.

Verema at home in her stables. Picture: Twitter
Verema at home in her stables. Picture: Twitter Source: Supplied
However, the very physiological make-up of the thoroughbred means it has to move either by walking or running to assist breathing and for their physical well-being.

When a 500kg animal is immobilised for an extended period, invariably that horse will suffer terribly because it does not eat well, physically loses conditions (fitness) and has to endure shocking pain.

An injured racehorse with this sort of injury literally dies on front of your eyes if attempts are made to keep it alive.

Veterinarians are first and foremost animal lovers and they do not wish for any horse to suffer in agony.

If the leg break is severe enough, then the only humane thing to do is to put that horse down.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/why-they-had-to-kill-broken-down-melbourne-cup-horse-verema/story-fnh4jt60-1226753979064
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benelsmore wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
RedKat wrote:
pv4 wrote:
Is it cruelty though? They'd suffer a lot with only 3 legs. Putting them out of their misery seems reasonable to me


Its cruelty that the horse has been pushed so far out of its limits that its been put in a situation where having it put down is the nicest thing to do

Clearly it's not "out of its limits" if other horses have demonstrated it to be achievable. Not to mention that there were multiple qualification events it had to make it through in order to compete which it clearly survived.

It sucks, but it's a fact of the "Sport". They can spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars rehabilitating the horse for it to never race again, or they can just put it out of its misery.


I'm not an activist for animals or anything I do follow horse racing but imagine if it was the jockey that was horribly injured. It's amazing how quickly the scenario changes when you replace the horse with a human.

I dislike the common view that horses (or other animals) are dispensible.


Yeah I agree, if the jockey had fallen and broken his leg he should be euthanised too
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Cromulent wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
RedKat wrote:
pv4 wrote:
Is it cruelty though? They'd suffer a lot with only 3 legs. Putting them out of their misery seems reasonable to me


Its cruelty that the horse has been pushed so far out of its limits that its been put in a situation where having it put down is the nicest thing to do

Clearly it's not "out of its limits" if other horses have demonstrated it to be achievable. Not to mention that there were multiple qualification events it had to make it through in order to compete which it clearly survived.

It sucks, but it's a fact of the "Sport". They can spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars rehabilitating the horse for it to never race again, or they can just put it out of its misery.


I'm not an activist for animals or anything I do follow horse racing but imagine if it was the jockey that was horribly injured. It's amazing how quickly the scenario changes when you replace the horse with a human.

I dislike the common view that horses (or other animals) are dispensible.


Yeah I agree, if the jockey had fallen and broken his leg he should be euthanised too


:roll: Well you missed the point entirely, that much is obvious.
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benelsmore wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
RedKat wrote:
pv4 wrote:
Is it cruelty though? They'd suffer a lot with only 3 legs. Putting them out of their misery seems reasonable to me


Its cruelty that the horse has been pushed so far out of its limits that its been put in a situation where having it put down is the nicest thing to do

Clearly it's not "out of its limits" if other horses have demonstrated it to be achievable. Not to mention that there were multiple qualification events it had to make it through in order to compete which it clearly survived.

It sucks, but it's a fact of the "Sport". They can spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars rehabilitating the horse for it to never race again, or they can just put it out of its misery.


I'm not an activist for animals or anything I do follow horse racing but imagine if it was the jockey that was horribly injured. It's amazing how quickly the scenario changes when you replace the horse with a human.

I dislike the common view that horses (or other animals) are dispensible.

If it cost the same amount to heal a horse's broken leg as it would to heal a jockey's broken leg you might have a point. But you're talking literally 100 times the cost for a racehorse and the Jockey will be far more effectively rehabilitated than a horse will be. You'd be literally rehabilitating the horse and spending the money for it to never race at the same level again.
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Got to love the mentality on this forum. Racism and homophobia are frowned on yet animal cruelty is all good.
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Got to love the mentality on this forum. Racism and homophobia are frowned on yet animal cruelty is all good.

Let me ask you this: What's more cruel? Taking a horse which is bred and trained to race , it suffers a broken leg, making it suffer through rehabilitation, where it loses weight and muscle mass, doesn't eat properly and spends the next 6 months in distress and costs the owners ~$100,000 for it to never race again.

Or putting it out of its misery.
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I haven't been back here since I posted that blog, but is anyone seriously suggesting that putting Verema down wasn't the humane course of action? The animal ethics issue with racing animals for entertainment is the increased risk of injury that results in euthanasia being required, not putting them down once they have suffered an injury that significantly reduces their capacity for a full and happy life.

That aside, I had an opportunity to discuss the health impacts of horse racing with a veterinarian friend who suggested that whilst he opposes a lot of horse racing practices from an animal welfare perspective there is no evidence that EIPH (the lung bleeding mentioned in the blog I posted) is actually painful, detrimental or problematic in any way for the horse, or that it doesn't happen in a horses natural wild behaviour (as no-one has studied wild/free-roaming horses post intensive exercise to identify the rates, and wild horses are willing to run intensely without a survival prompt [eg: predator]) For all we know, it could be no different to humans getting a nosebleed whilst exerting themselves (uncomfortable, but not painful or risky.)

So there's a bit of a balance to that emotive piece for you.
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People don't realise that a broken leg is pretty much the worst injury a horse can suffer short of a heart attack.
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afromanGT wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
Got to love the mentality on this forum. Racism and homophobia are frowned on yet animal cruelty is all good.

Let me ask you this: What's more cruel? Taking a horse which is bred and trained to race , it suffers a broken leg, making it suffer through rehabilitation, where it loses weight and muscle mass, doesn't eat properly and spends the next 6 months in distress and costs the owners ~$100,000 for it to never race again.

Or putting it out of its misery.


I think if you own a horse or any animal you have a responsibility to unsure its health and well being.

If you're prepared to spend $100k + on training it then you should spend the money to care for it in ill health.

Though in saying this I don't like the horse racing at all, the whole thing is cruel.
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If you're prepared to spend $100k + on training it then you should spend the money to care for it in ill health.

You have to remember though that to these people it's a business. These horses are bred for purpose and if they're no longer making money off the horse it no longer has any use to them. That's the harsh reality.

Also, I said before, a broken leg to a horse is more or less the worst injury that it can suffer, short of a heart attack or stroke.
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