Climate change: Fact or Fiction?


Climate change: Fact or Fiction?

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ricecrackers wrote:
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
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Is it gas crackers?

It is, isn't it?


indeed

they are taxed at a lower rate

and oil too which is the same industry where incidentally transport fuel is exempt


I'm taking the piss. You've said this many times.

Just like your "science isn't consensus" line which is patently absurd as I've shown you before but anyway carry on.

I only visit here to see who you're arguing with this time.



i'm not interested in carrying on with you

you've demonstrated in the past you're incapable of rational thought on this issue, among quite a few of the other cultists here


Rice crackers, what religion do you associate with?


I'll tell you if you give me your bank account details


That's a weird thing to be so private about, you must wear a face mask to your place of worship( if you do in fact go to one)
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Roar #1 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Is it gas crackers?

It is, isn't it?


indeed

they are taxed at a lower rate

and oil too which is the same industry where incidentally transport fuel is exempt


I'm taking the piss. You've said this many times.

Just like your "science isn't consensus" line which is patently absurd as I've shown you before but anyway carry on.

I only visit here to see who you're arguing with this time.



i'm not interested in carrying on with you

you've demonstrated in the past you're incapable of rational thought on this issue, among quite a few of the other cultists here


Rice crackers, what religion do you associate with?


I'll tell you if you give me your bank account details


That's a weird thing to be so private about, you must wear a face mask to your place of worship( if you do in fact go to one)


your question is completely irrelevant to this discussion
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ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Is it gas crackers?

It is, isn't it?


indeed

they are taxed at a lower rate

and oil too which is the same industry where incidentally transport fuel is exempt


I'm taking the piss. You've said this many times.

Just like your "science isn't consensus" line which is patently absurd as I've shown you before but anyway carry on.

I only visit here to see who you're arguing with this time.



i'm not interested in carrying on with you

you've demonstrated in the past you're incapable of rational thought on this issue, among quite a few of the other cultists here


Rice crackers, what religion do you associate with?


I'll tell you if you give me your bank account details


That's a weird thing to be so private about, you must wear a face mask to your place of worship( if you do in fact go to one)


your question is completely irrelevant to this discussion


No not really, you were calling other people on here "cultists" and calling them out for blindly believing what other people tell them. So that's a little hypocritical if you are a member of a religious group. Hence the question
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Roar #1 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Is it gas crackers?

It is, isn't it?


indeed

they are taxed at a lower rate

and oil too which is the same industry where incidentally transport fuel is exempt


I'm taking the piss. You've said this many times.

Just like your "science isn't consensus" line which is patently absurd as I've shown you before but anyway carry on.

I only visit here to see who you're arguing with this time.



i'm not interested in carrying on with you

you've demonstrated in the past you're incapable of rational thought on this issue, among quite a few of the other cultists here


Rice crackers, what religion do you associate with?


I'll tell you if you give me your bank account details


That's a weird thing to be so private about, you must wear a face mask to your place of worship( if you do in fact go to one)


your question is completely irrelevant to this discussion


No not really, you were calling other people on here "cultists" and calling them out for blindly believing what other people tell them. So that's a little hypocritical if you are a member of a religious group. Hence the question


1. i'm not a member of a "religious group"
2. climate alarmists are cultists
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RedKat wrote:
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Im scientifically illiterate for using scientific literature to back up my arguments?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You dont have an argument as you're incapable of forming one.
Dont you get it? You're completely incapable of discernment of facts from fiction... of quality from trash


So the guy that thinks a sample size of one, such as one study or one day, is sufficient evidence for an argument is lecturing me on not understanding science?

The guy that uses no evidence to support his arguments and abuses the other person for using scientific literature to back up his argument is trying to tell me I don't understand science?
Hypocrisy


sample size of one?

how about 17 years of no warming when your cultist models predicted there would be significant warming?

where's your evidence of warming?

you've got nothing but theory. without evidence your copied and pasted theories hold no water.

you can copy and paste a thousand more theoretical papers and media propaganda it wont make a difference without evidence.

and finally, you dont even understand what you're posting. all you do is google climate change and post the results.

you have no ability to discern nor critique articles nor motivations and you have no scientific background as you've demonstrated throughout this thread.

you dont even have a senior high school understanding of this field.
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What amazes me about the whole climate change/global warming debate is that it isn't about all the factors that could be contributing to the said changes????
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go back to who started it all...
Roger Revelle

Maurice Strong

then Al Gore
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Sham of a tax, and great it’s gone.

Not endorsing the current Govt by any stretch of the imagination, but this Tax always stank.

It’s gone, let’s move on.

Oh, and I love how hippies who tell me not to use my car seem to be happy to travel anywhere on a jet plane, which punches holes in the Ozone layer, 11km up in the atmosphere, with all the fuel it burns.

Fark off hippies!

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RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
Im scientifically illiterate for using scientific literature to back up my arguments?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You dont have an argument as you're incapable of forming one.
Dont you get it? You're completely incapable of discernment of facts from fiction... of quality from trash


So the guy that thinks a sample size of one, such as one study or one day, is sufficient evidence for an argument is lecturing me on not understanding science?

The guy that uses no evidence to support his arguments and abuses the other person for using scientific literature to back up his argument is trying to tell me I don't understand science?
Hypocrisy


sample size of one?

how about 17 years of no warming when your cultist models predicted there would be significant warming?

where's your evidence of warming?

you've got nothing but theory. without evidence your copied and pasted theories hold no water.

you can copy and paste a thousand more theoretical papers and media propaganda it wont make a difference without evidence.

and finally, you dont even understand what you're posting. all you do is google climate change and post the results.

you have no ability to discern nor critique articles nor motivations and you have no scientific background as you've demonstrated throughout this thread.

you dont even have a senior high school understanding of this field.


Sample size of one because you used one study and sued one day in one city as your evidence. Thats means absolutely nothing. Youd know that if you had a slightest understanding science.

And then the rest of your post is not worth responding to because youve struggled to respond to my posts with any logic so youre strawmanning me and my argument into something far easier to attack. The constant claims I have no scientific background and tedious when you have no evidence of that or no evidence that you know any better.

The idea of all the science Ive used is just theoretical and not actual evidence shows even more scientific ignorance on your part. And I dont think I have to mention again your rejection of my evidence is also an example of more scientific ignorance.

Might be worth reading for you but like everything I post youll discredit it and go for the ad hominem.

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Roy Spencer is one of the less than 3% of climate scientists whose research suggests that humans are playing a relatively minimal role in global warming. As one of those rare contrarian climate experts, he's often asked to testify before US Congress and interviewed by media outlets that want to present a 'skeptical' or false balance climate narrative. He's also a rather controversial figure, having made remarks about "global warming Nazis" and said,

"I view my job a little like a legislator, supported by the taxpayer, to protect the interests of the taxpayer and to minimize the role of government."

In any case, as one of those rare contrarian climate scientists, Spencer is in a good position to present the best arguments against the global warming consensus. Conveniently, he recently did just that on his blog, listing what he considers the "Top Ten Good Skeptical Arguments," throwing in an 11th for good measure. He also conveniently posed each of these arguments as questions; it turns out they're all easy to answer.

1) No Recent Warming. If global warming science is so "settled", why did global warming stop 15 years ago, contrary to all "consensus" predictions?

Quite simply, it hasn't. Even global surface temperatures (which is how Spencer is likely measuring 'global warming', although they only account for about 2% of the Earth's warming), have warmed about 0.2°C over the past 15 years, according to the best available measurements. More importantly, the planet has continued to accumulate heat at a rate equivalent to 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations per second over the past 15 years.

2) Natural or Manmade? If we don't know how much of recent warming is natural, then how can we know how much is manmade?

We do.

Net human and natural percent contributions to the observed global surface warming over the past 50-65 years according to Tett et al. 2000 (T00, dark blue), Meehl et al. 2004 (M04, red), Stone et al. 2007 (S07, light green), Lean and Rind 2008 (LR08, purple), Huber and Knutti 2011 (HK11, light blue), Gillett et al. 2012 (G12, orange), Wigley and Santer 2012 (WS12, dark green), and Jones et al. 2013 (J12, pink).
Net human and natural percent contributions to the observed global surface warming over the past 50-65 years according to Tett et al. 2000 (T00, dark blue), Meehl et al. 2004 (M04, red), Stone et al. 2007 (S07, light green), Lean and Rind 2008 (LR08, purple), Huber and Knutti 2011 (HK11, light blue), Gillett et al. 2012 (G12, orange), Wigley and Santer 2012 (WS12, dark green), and Jones et al. 2013 (J12, pink).
The IPCC stated with 95% confidence that most of the global warming since 1950 is human-caused, with a best estimate that 100% is due to humans over the past 60 years. The IPCC was able to draw this conclusion with such high confidence because that's what the scientific evidence and research clearly and consistently concludes.

3) IPCC Politics and Beliefs. Why does it take a political body (the IPCC) to tell us what scientists "believe"? And when did scientists' "beliefs" translate into proof? And when was scientific truth determined by a vote…especially when those allowed to vote are from the Global Warming Believers Party?

The IPCC merely organizes the world's top climate scientists every 5 to 7 years. It's those scientists who summarize the up-to-date status of the scientific research in their respective fields of expertise. The IPCC report and the 97% expert consensus on human-caused global warming are themselves not proof of anything. They summarize and reflect the scientific evidence – that vast body of evidence is the reason the consensus exists.

4) Climate Models Can't Even Hindcast. How did climate modelers, who already knew the answer, still fail to explain the lack of a significant temperature rise over the last 30+ years? In other words, how to you botch a hindcast?

Global surface temperatures have risen more than 0.5°C over the past 30 years. That rise is significant, both in the statistical and figurative sense. Climate models have accurately reproduced that rise.

5) …But We Should Believe Model Forecasts? Why should we believe model predictions of the future, when they can't even explain the past?

Climate models have accurately reproduced the past, but let's put them aside for a moment. We don't need climate models to project future global warming. We know from past climate change events the planet will warm between about 1.5 and 4.5°C from the increased greenhouse effect of a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide (the 'climate sensitivity').

In a business-as-usual scenario, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are expected to surpass 900 ppm by 2100 – that's close to two doublings from the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm. Hence we know that business-as-usual will cause between 2.5 and 7.5°C (most likely 5°C) warming if we stop carbon dioxide levels from rising beyond about 900 ppm. This is based on simple math and what we know about the physics of the climate – no fancy models needed.

6) Modelers Lie About Their "Physics". Why do modelers insist their models are based upon established physics, but then hide the fact that the strong warming their models produce is actually based upon very uncertain "fudge factor" tuning?

Putting aside the accusation that hundreds of climate modelers are all liars – the answer is that their models are indeed based upon well established physics. NASA climate modeler Gavin Schmidt's TED talk on the subject is well worth watching.


Spencer's question likely refers to the uncertain size of the cooling influence of aerosols. However, that is a physical uncertainty. We don't have very good measurements of this effect; unfortunately the rocket carrying NASA's Glory satellite that had instruments to measure the climate effect of aerosols crashed two years ago. Nevertheless, climate models use the available data to account for their influence, and their projections include the associated uncertainties.

7) Is Warming Even Bad? Who decided that a small amount of warming is necessarily a bad thing?

We're headed for about 5°C global surface warming above pre-industrial temperatures by 2100 if we continue on a business-as-usual path. 5°C is the difference between average temperatures now and those during the last ice age. That's not "small" by any stretch of the imagination. As for who decided that amount warming is a bad thing – climate scientists researching the impacts of climate change.

8) Is CO2 Bad? How did carbon dioxide, necessary for life on Earth and only 4 parts in 10,000 of our atmosphere, get rebranded as some sort of dangerous gas?

Carbon dioxide itself is not "bad." Water is also necessary for life. Too much water will kill you. Too much carbon dioxide causes dangerous climate change. Greenhouse gases were determined to be pollutants as defined in the US Clean Air Act . This was a ruling of the (politically conservative) US Supreme Court.

9) Do We Look that Stupid? How do scientists expect to be taken seriously when their "theory" is supported by both floods AND droughts? Too much snow AND too little snow?

This question is a bit like asking, "Do I look fat?". Do you want an honest answer?

The warming of the atmosphere, happening especially at high latitudes, reduces the temperature difference between higher and lower latitudes. This tends to make storms move more slowly. This results in storms dumping more precipitation in localized areas, which causes more flooding in those areas and droughts outside of them. Higher temperatures also increase evaporation, exacerbating droughts and adding more moisture to the air for stronger storms. A climate scientist should understand these concepts.

10) Selective Pseudo-Explanations. How can scientists claim that the Medieval Warm Period (which lasted hundreds of years), was just a regional fluke…yet claim the single-summer (2003) heat wave in Europe had global significance?

There is no contradiction here – a regional event can have global significance, for example via economic impacts. In any case, the Medieval Warm Period was a regional phenomenon and the planet as a whole was cooler than today.

11) (Spinal Tap bonus) Just How Warm is it, Really? Why is it that every subsequent modification/adjustment to the global thermometer data leads to even more warming? What are the chances of that? Either a warmer-still present, or cooling down the past, both of which produce a greater warming trend over time. And none of the adjustments take out a gradual urban heat island (UHI) warming around thermometer sites, which likely exists at virtually all of them — because no one yet knows a good way to do that.

Ironically, most of the adjustments to Spencer's own satellite temperature data set have been in the warming direction, so this question may be an example of psychological projection. Scientists also recently identified a problem in Arctic temperature data analysis that's leading to an incorrect adjustment in the cooling direction, and there have of course been other cooling adjustments in the surface temperature record. The urban heat island effect has also been demonstrated over and over to have no significant influence on the surface temperature record.

Notice a Pattern?

You may have noticed some patterns in these questions. Most are based on false premises and are trivially simple to answer. These 'top ten good skeptic arguments' are frankly not very good or challenging. They also reveal a very one-sided skepticism, although to his credit Spencer did also list 10 'skeptic' arguments that don't hold water. These are glaringly wrong arguments like 'there is no greenhouse effect' and 'CO2 cools the atmosphere,' that some contrarians nevertheless believe. Interestingly, Spencer discusses the science disproving the 10 bad arguments, but there's no scientific discussion supporting his to 'good' arguments.

From reading and answering Spencer's questions, we learn that the basic science behind how we know humans are causing global warming and that it's a problem are quite well-established. There are some remaining uncertainties, like how much warming is being offset by aerosol cooling, but overall we have a very strong understanding of the big picture. For quite a while now we've understood the Earth's climate well enough to know that we can't continue on our current high-risk path.

When will we stop using these trivially wrong contrarian arguments as an excuse for climate inaction? Now that's a tough question to answer.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/may/06/top-ten-global-warming-skeptic-arguments-debunked


you only know how to copy and paste

no warming is no warming

it doesnt require a study, its fucking evidence

evidence of no warming

it debunks every single theory put forward that relied upon warming occurring over the past decade and a half

that you still refuse to acknowledge such facts is evidence of some mental deficiency on your part
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RedKat wrote:
Also I quote

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1) No Recent Warming. If global warming science is so "settled", why did global warming stop 15 years ago, contrary to all "consensus" predictions?

Quite simply, it hasn't. Even global surface temperatures (which is how Spencer is likely measuring 'global warming', although they only account for about 2% of the Earth's warming), have warmed about 0.2°C over the past 15 years, according to the best available measurements. More importantly, the planet has continued to accumulate heat at a rate equivalent to 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations per second over the past 15 years.


Have you ever read a scientific paper? Have you noticed how they base everything off evidence from other papers and how theres no scope for opinion? Thats what Im doing and what youre failing to grasp.


you're quoting the Guardian

its not a scientific paper

its propaganda instructions for how to shutdown skeptics which flies in the face of everything science stands for
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RedKat wrote:
So if I quote scientific literature you say its rubbish, bias, and not saying what its saying. If I quote something else using scientific evidence in its discussion (id take it as far more reliable than you are since it actually quotes some scientific articles) you say its propaganda. And then you go back to your usual bullshit about me not knowing what science is. You really have the most ridiculous tunnel vision and are so stuck to your conspiracy theories, despite any actual evidence.

Read just the abstracts to these papers:
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Abstract
Global warming first became evident beyond the bounds of natural variability in the 1970s, but increases in global mean surface temperatures have stalled in the 2000s. Increases in atmospheric greenhouse gases, notably carbon dioxide, create an energy imbalance at the top-of-atmosphere (TOA) even as the planet warms to adjust to this imbalance, which is estimated to be 0.5–1 W m−2 over the 2000s. Annual global fluctuations in TOA energy of up to 0.2 W m−2 occur from natural variations in clouds, aerosols, and changes in the Sun. At times of major volcanic eruptions the effects can be much larger. Yet global mean surface temperatures fluctuate much more than these can account for. An energy imbalance is manifested not just as surface atmospheric or ground warming but also as melting sea and land ice, and heating of the oceans. More than 90% of the heat goes into the oceans and, with melting land ice, causes sea level to rise. For the past decade, more than 30% of the heat has apparently penetrated below 700 m depth that is traceable to changes in surface winds mainly over the Pacific in association with a switch to a negative phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) in 1999. Surface warming was much more in evidence during the 1976–1998 positive phase of the PDO, suggesting that natural decadal variability modulates the rate of change of global surface temperatures while sea-level rise is more relentless. Global warming has not stopped; it is merely manifested in different ways.


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000165/abstract

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Incomplete global coverage is a potential source of bias in global temperature reconstructions if the unsampled regions are not uniformly distributed over the planet's surface. The widely used Hadley Centre–Climatic Reseach Unit Version 4 (HadCRUT4) dataset covers on average about 84% of the globe over recent decades, with the unsampled regions being concentrated at the poles and over Africa. Three existing reconstructions with near-global coverage are examined, each suggesting that HadCRUT4 is subject to bias due to its treatment of unobserved regions.

Two alternative approaches for reconstructing global temperatures are explored, one based on an optimal interpolation algorithm and the other a hybrid method incorporating additional information from the satellite temperature record. The methods are validated on the basis of their skill at reconstructing omitted sets of observations. Both methods provide results superior to excluding the unsampled regions, with the hybrid method showing particular skill around the regions where no observations are available.

Temperature trends are compared for the hybrid global temperature reconstruction and the raw HadCRUT4 data. The widely quoted trend since 1997 in the hybrid global reconstruction is two and a half times greater than the corresponding trend in the coverage-biased HadCRUT4 data. Coverage bias causes a cool bias in recent temperatures relative to the late 1990s, which increases from around 1998 to the present. Trends starting in 1997 or 1998 are particularly biased with respect to the global trend. The issue is exacerbated by the strong El Niño event of 1997–1998, which also tends to suppress trends starting during those years.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/qj.2297/abstract


So in other words actual scientific evidence to refuse the 'THERES BEEN NO WARMING FOR 17 YEARS' claims that you go on about. True to your scientific ignorance, you refuse all explanation for the limitations of the study you cling so so dearly to.

Edited by RedKat: 17/7/2014 05:53:39 PM


its not evidence

its more theoretical 'explanation' such that you can move the goalposts as your cult has been doing for the past 25 years

come back to me when have actual evidence that man is affecting the climate
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Arguing with ricecrackers about anything is like practicing tennis against a wall, you'll only get a return that's a reflection of what you send but it's good practice sometimes.

RedKat, I think you've developed quite a good forehand :lol: [size=1]and I think I've developed an effective backhand here[/size]

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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mcjules wrote:
Arguing with ricecrackers about anything is like practicing tennis against a wall, you'll only get a return that's a reflection of what you send but it's good practice sometimes.

RedKat, I think you've developed quite a good forehand :lol: [size=1]and I think I've developed an effective backhand here[/size]
good way to put it, I definitely learnt a lot more on the topic after getting into a spat with him. I've also learnt to never get too into it and his wind up tricks or you'll look like a whiny cunt :lol:
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RedKat wrote:
So one paper that suits what you say is evidence but when other papers refute it by explaining its limitations (because you know good scientists always identify limitations) and giving a better explanation of your papers findings, its suddenly just a 'theoretical explanation' to 'move the goalposts'
The inconsistency in your 'argument' is so blatant but when you lack any credible evidence, it was always going to be the case


no warming is no warming. its undisputed. even the IPCC acknowledge no warming and they're as corrupt as anyone.

its like gravity. however in your reality if the media told you gravity didnt exist you'd probably believe them and float off into the sky

you like to weasel around the facts and copy and paste reams of theory and more theory.

i've been consistent all along, whereas you are ignoring a fact and clinging on to theory. theory that has been debunked by time and evidence.
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let me ask you a direct question RedKat,

do you believe in peak oil? yes or no?
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This thread is 34 pages long. It's 34 pages long because Crackers is a champion WUM.

Redkat.

Nothing you say, produce, copy or quote will ever solicit even the smallest concession of his position. You're wasting your time and playing right into his hands.

You spend ages researching, quoting, googling and posting only for him to write it off with a trite one-liner.

Do yourself and your sanity a favour and stop feeding the troll.


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thats where you're wrong, Redkat researches nothing
just copies and pastes the google results without even reading or understanding them
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ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat exposed redux

RedKat wrote:

You're focusing on one data set that proves your evidence and giving it more weight that the much much larger weight of evidence in the contrary. [size=8]Even your own source acknowledges anthropomorphic climate change [/size]is real but you just pick the parts from your own source that suit you. Thats the definition of madness - when no volume of evidence will make you change.

Edited by RedKat: 13/7/2014 10:14:12 AM


RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
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yawn @ RedKat

its anthropogenic not anthropmorphic :oops:

seriously just quit it on this subject


So youve got nothing to say so you point out a typo I made early in the morning.

You're exceptionally close minded so youve just resorted to insults because youve got nothing left to say. Ive picked your only 'evidence' apart showing the body still sides on my side of the debate.



its not a typo, you used completely the wrong word

why would I want to continue a discussion with someone who clearly has no idea...


Yes I made a mistake at 1AM clearly thinking of a different work. That doesnt invalidate anything Ive said. I could go through your posts and probably find a mistake as well but I dont need to sidetrack the discussion because Im not the one with no evidence. Ive lost count of the time Ive given a lot of evidence and youve ignored it and found something else to argue about. Clearly a sign of the close minded views refusing to accept the evidence.

The fact of the matter though is you cant provide sufficient evidence because there simply isnt sufficient scientific evidence for your side of the argument (and if it was that would be the consensus of the scientific community and myself).



another reminder of Redkat's massive fail moment
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RedKat wrote:
If I wanted document your fail moments where youve shown more ignorance than i did making a mistake at 1AM Id have to requote every comment youve made in this thread


I know you are but what am I comes to mind with that comeback. primary school stuff.

you want argue science you only want to copy and paste other people's opinions and you call that evidence.

you people move the goalposts constantly, you have no credibility left at all

you've already forgotten climategate, and the other cover up of how they formulate the 97% lie.
you've forgotten they used to call it global warming then changed the name to "climate change"
you've forgotten they originally said "weather isnt climate" then whenever a weather event happened they blamed it on climate change
now we have weather events and a lack of weather events, ie benign weather and all of a sudden you're back to weather isnt climate again

you've discarded the fact there has been no warming for 17 years despite all your models suggesting significant warming would occur

you've disregarded the fact that the man who invented the global warming scare actually backed away from his predictions before his death

you've disregarded that Al Gore was a pupil in his class and actually got a 'D'. (on the US scale of A to F)
you've disregarded that Al Gore denounced his mentor's opinion in 1988 and called him senile

you wont answer my question regarding "peak oil" as I suspect its beyond your year 3 level science education to be able to do so. I can only guess google didnt provide you with an answer.

you've forgotten that a bunch of climate alarmists traveled to Antarctica in the summer to highlight the effects of climate change and ended up getting stuck in pack ice. not to mention Antarctica has more ice than ever currently and thats apparently the fault of humans.

do you even know what a greenhouse gas is? can you name all of them?
can you tell me which ones we need to stop producing and how?

do you think carbon is a pollutant? do you think carbon dioxide is a pollutant?

Edited by ricecrackers: 17/7/2014 11:47:45 PM
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Boom boom! Mining tax also repealed
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RedKat would be banned under my new "don't feed the troll" regime.
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See, no warming in 17 years!!!!
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RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
If I wanted document your fail moments where youve shown more ignorance than i did making a mistake at 1AM Id have to requote every comment youve made in this thread


I know you are but what am I comes to mind with that comeback. primary school stuff.

you want argue science you only want to copy and paste other people's opinions and you call that evidence.

you people move the goalposts constantly, you have no credibility left at all

you've already forgotten climategate, and the other cover up of how they formulate the 97% lie.
you've forgotten they used to call it global warming then changed the name to "climate change"
you've forgotten they originally said "weather isnt climate" then whenever a weather event happened they blamed it on climate change
now we have weather events and a lack of weather events, ie benign weather and all of a sudden you're back to weather isnt climate again

you've discarded the fact there has been no warming for 17 years despite all your models suggesting significant warming would occur

you've disregarded the fact that the man who invented the global warming scare actually backed away from his predictions before his death

you've disregarded that Al Gore was a pupil in his class and actually got a 'D'. (on the US scale of A to F)
you've disregarded that Al Gore denounced his mentor's opinion in 1988 and called him senile

you wont answer my question regarding "peak oil" as I suspect its beyond your year 3 level science education to be able to do so. I can only guess google didnt provide you with an answer.

you've forgotten that a bunch of climate alarmists traveled to Antarctica in the summer to highlight the effects of climate change and ended up getting stuck in pack ice. not to mention Antarctica has more ice than ever currently and thats apparently the fault of humans.

do you even know what a greenhouse gas is? can you name all of them?
can you tell me which ones we need to stop producing and how?

do you think carbon is a pollutant? do you think carbon dioxide is a pollutant?

Edited by ricecrackers: 17/7/2014 11:47:45 PM


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Youve summed up your 'argument' with all its heresay, irrelevant comments, tunnel vision and evidence lacking claims. You've done a great summary of whats wrong with 'points' you've 'raised' in this thread. Ill be sure now to requote it a few times.


I've asked you some direct questions which you cannot answer because your script doesnt provide you the answers and your brain is incapable of formulating them
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RedKat = the copy and paste expert with no scientific knowledge at all

RedKat thinks science is a vote

imagine if all the scientific discoveries man as ever made were settled without evidence, but by a vote
we'd still be under the impression the earth was flat

and that is what this climate alarmism is tantamount too. trying to convince us of a flat earth
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RedKat wrote:
I think after the amount of articles Ive posted that you ignored because they didnt fit your tunnel vision, Im more than entitled to say I cant be bothered to answer your questions.

And even if I did say things like carbon isnt a pollutant in itself because every living thing is composed of carbon or that carbon dioxide in the body it dissociates into carbonic acid which is toxic and so carbon dioxide is frequently expelled or that carbon dioxide is a pollutant in high quantities... I could go on, I could answer those questions of yours n the scientific depth I know them in but I already know that youll claim Im just copying what Ive read, or I only have a 'year 3 level science' understanding (when youve failed to provide any evidence for how my scientific understanding is so poor or how yours is better), youll insult my mental capacity, you'll ignore any scientific literature I quote, you'll come up with some heresay and irrelevant comments to divert the argument into something youll feel 'comfortable' arguing but itll still expose your conspiracy theories for the rubbish that they are and further show your scientific ignorance. I dont really need to argue some random on the internet when I know i know more about the science than youll ever want to know.


its NOT YOUR scientific literature.
they're articles you've copied and pasted. get that through to your head.

you dont even question them. I've already exposed you as scientifically illiterate

now can you answer my question on peak oil? do you believe in that conspiracy or not?

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RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
I think after the amount of articles Ive posted that you ignored because they didnt fit your tunnel vision, Im more than entitled to say I cant be bothered to answer your questions.

And even if I did say things like carbon isnt a pollutant in itself because every living thing is composed of carbon or that carbon dioxide in the body it dissociates into carbonic acid which is toxic and so carbon dioxide is frequently expelled or that carbon dioxide is a pollutant in high quantities... I could go on, I could answer those questions of yours n the scientific depth I know them in but I already know that youll claim Im just copying what Ive read, or I only have a 'year 3 level science' understanding (when youve failed to provide any evidence for how my scientific understanding is so poor or how yours is better), youll insult my mental capacity, you'll ignore any scientific literature I quote, you'll come up with some heresay and irrelevant comments to divert the argument into something youll feel 'comfortable' arguing but itll still expose your conspiracy theories for the rubbish that they are and further show your scientific ignorance. I dont really need to argue some random on the internet when I know i know more about the science than youll ever want to know.


its NOT YOUR scientific literature.
they're articles you've copied and pasted. get that through to your head.

you dont even question them. I've already exposed you as scientifically illiterate

now can you answer my question on peak oil? do you believe in that conspiracy or not?


Ill answer your pointless questions when you go back and address many of my posts youve just ignored or brushed them off with your line that im just good at copy pasting. Go back read what they say and actually address why those findings are proven to be insufficient in other scientific literature rather than just saying 'its theoretical' and repeating the 'no warming for 17 years.' If you go back and account for ALL the evidence not just the evidence that suits you. You know how proper science is done. Its a scientific matter so argue scientifically not with opinions.

Again you show your scientific ignorance. No scientific paper is done with just one persons work, I give you 10 minutes to find a scientific paper that only references other research by the same author. You know why you wont find anything? Because thats not how science is done. Its not done by people articulating their own opinions. Its done by getting evidence and using other peoples evidence, like how i get scientific evidence to back up my claims.

I have never claimed any of it as my own because if I was only giving my 'opinion' and my research into the matter it would be far from comprehensive enough. Thats why I take the scientific view, the view thats agreed to because of 1000s of authors writing 1000s of papers coming to similar conclusions. Thats statistical power. Not blurting out the 'no warming for 17 years' and ignoring the problems with this and the insufficiencies of this claim.

Edited by RedKat: 18/7/2014 01:40:02 AM


=;

science isnt about taking someone else's word, particularly when that word is nothing more than a theory

what I dont understand is why you have such an interest in this topic when you've clearly demonstrated that you dont even know what science is let alone have any authority to discuss this issue why is it so important to you?
what is your agenda here?

you keep calling me ignorant. i'm well aware of the hundreds of papers that have been written. i've read more than you know and dont need to read more of the same.

what fascinates me is your belligerent fanaticism
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you never answered my question

why would i bother to do anything you say?

what are you some kind of dictator?

they're rhetorical by the way as it appears you're a little authoritarian trying to impose your will upon anyone who doesnt follow your cult doctrine
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