In other words - you don't want to back up your own statement that you 'can tell' what i'm like from one picture? I remind you that you brought up your ability to judge me from a single picture - that's not me dodging anything, it's you throwing around comments you can't back up. ;)

As for Mr Cook - if he's been discredited, fine, what about the thousands of peer reviewed papers? Are you sticking with the scientists will write anything if you pay them line? Does that mean you're going to go with the classic "my scientists are honest and correct, all the others are liars and incorrect" stance?

Edited by Benjamin: 27/10/2014 03:27:55 PM

you want to make it all about you because thats your comfort zone. anyone can see it, its as obvious as you are...well lets not get into that

of those thousands of peer reviewed papers, many thousands of them take no position on AGW however were included in the 97%

that's the scam

Quite the contrary - you made it about me, I'm just dying to see how accurate you are.

Meanwhile, I've read reports on the Cook study and it's potential statistical accuracy - I'm not convinced by the counter argument. It would be interesting if someone were to take the 12,000 papers and more accurately assess the numbers, however my understanding is that it would still come out strongly on the side that global warming is heavily influenced by humans - and as a result no climate-skeptic organisation is willing to undergo to process. After all, it's hardly a victory to produce a study that still shows that the majority of scientific papers agree that we have a big problem.

After all, it's hardly a victory to produce a study that still shows that the majority of scientific papers agree that we have a big problem.

If it's a scam, why aren't those oh-so-honest oil companies and all their investors pouring funds into their own research papers?

As to the first part of your statement - once again, you avoid backing up your own comment.

because the oil companies are profiting out of it

Ahhhh, of course... All cleared up now. I'll leave you to protect us then.

Warmist Kerry Emanuel – Worst Hurricane Forecaster In History? ‘In 2005, he predicted global warming would make hurricanes more powerful and destructive’

Reality Check: 'The US hasn't had a major hurricane since 2005, the longest period on record. The four worst decades for major hurricanes in the US were the 1890s, the 1930s, the 1940s, and the 1950s.

I'm really disappointed in you Ben.. Arguing with ricecackers is like me arguing with my dog. I lack a way of communicating difficult concepts to her. She lacks the capacity to understand what I am talking about. She would just ignore my valid point and go eat a crap my cat did an hour earlier. There is no satisfaction obtainable from outsmarting her. Why are you attempting to outwit the witless. There is nothing you can point out that he will be able to either accept or learn from.

chalk up another victory

You keep telling yourself that, peaches.

Can we change the title of this thread to just 'Climate Change' (or 'Climate Change: News/Policy/Mitigation')

[size=8]Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past[/size]
BY CHARLES ONIANS Monday 20 March 2000
www.independent.co.uk
   
Britain's winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.

Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters - which scientists are attributing to global climate change - produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries.

The first two months of 2000 were virtually free of significant snowfall in much of lowland Britain, and December brought only moderate snowfall in the South-east. It is the continuation of a trend that has been increasingly visible in the past 15 years: in the south of England, for instance, from 1970 to 1995 snow and sleet fell for an average of 3.7 days, while from 1988 to 1995 the average was 0.7 days. London's last substantial snowfall was in February 1991.

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. Average temperatures in Britain were nearly 0.6°C higher in the Nineties than in 1960-90, and it is estimated that they will increase by 0.2C every decade over the coming century. Eight of the 10 hottest years on record occurred in the Nineties.

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

Fen skating, once a popular sport on the fields of East Anglia, now takes place on indoor artificial rinks. Malcolm Robinson, of the Fenland Indoor Speed Skating Club in Peterborough, says they have not skated outside since 1997. "As a boy, I can remember being on ice most winters. Now it's few and far between," he said.

Michael Jeacock, a Cambridgeshire local historian, added that a generation was growing up "without experiencing one of the greatest joys and privileges of living in this part of the world - open-air skating".

Warmer winters have significant environmental and economic implications, and a wide range of research indicates that pests and plant diseases, usually killed back by sharp frosts, are likely to flourish. But very little research has been done on the cultural implications of climate change - into the possibility, for example, that our notion of Christmas might have to shift.

Professor Jarich Oosten, an anthropologist at the University of Leiden in the Netherlands, says that even if we no longer see snow, it will remain culturally important.

"We don't really have wolves in Europe any more, but they are still an important part of our culture and everyone knows what they look like," he said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.

The chances are certainly now stacked against the sortof heavy snowfall in cities that inspired Impressionist painters, such as Sisley, and the 19th century poet laureate Robert Bridges, who wrote in "London Snow" of it, "stealthily and perpetually settling and loosely lying".

Not any more, it seems.

[size=8]Global warming ‘will make our winters colder’[/size]

Climate scientists discover that melting Arctic sea ice is creating chilly winds
STEVE CONNOR Author Biography SCIENCE EDITOR Monday 27 October 2014
www.independent.co.uk
   
Britain can expect twice as many severe winters as usual over the coming decades, according to a study supporting the counterintuitive idea that global warming could lead to colder weather in some parts of the world.

Climate scientists believe they have found evidence to suggest that the loss of floating Arctic sea ice in the Barents and Kara seas north of Scandinavia can affect the global circulation of air currents and lead to bitterly cold winds blowing for extended periods in winter over Central Asia and Europe, including the UK.

The research, published in the journal Nature Geoscience, supports several previous studies published over the past few years that also indicate a change in the winter climate over Eurasia as a result of the loss of Arctic sea ice. Arctic sea ice has declined significantly over the past three or four decades.

However, the Japanese scientists who carried out the latest study said that the cooling effect is unlikely to last beyond this century. Rising global temperatures will eventually cancel out any localised cooling caused by loss of Arctic sea ice, although they said it is not possible to predict when this will happen.

Masato Mori, of Tokyo University, and colleagues from Japan’s National Institute for Environmental Studies and the National Institute of Polar Research, performed 200 slightly different computer simulations of the global atmospheric circulation based on actual sea ice measurements made since 2004, when there were years of high and low sea-ice cover in the Barents and Kara seas.

They found that a decline in sea ice was linked with a “blocking” pattern in the high-altitude atmospheric air currents. This blocking became twice as likely in low sea-ice years and it favoured the transport of cold, Arctic air south and west over Europe and Asia.


Colin Summerhayes, emeritus associate of the Scott Polar Research Institute in Cambridge, said: “This counterintuitive effect... makes some people think that global warming has stopped. It has not. Although average surface warming has been slower since 2000, the Arctic has gone on warming rapidly throughout this time.”

Professor Jennifer Francis, of New Jersey’s Rutgers University, one of the first researchers to make a link between loss of sea ice and changes to the jet stream, said: “Based on this new solid and convincing work, together with the other recent studies that support the existence of this particular mechanism, I think we can say this response is real.”

Big freezes: Britain at its coldest

2013: January and March brought two waves of heavy snow, causing chaos for travellers and closing schools.

2010: From late November to early December, heavy snow caused disruption across the country. Temperatures plunged too, with a low of -21.1C recorded at Altnaharra in the Scottish Highlands.

1963: The coldest winter since 1740. The sea froze in places, with blizzards and snow drifts across the country. Winter didn’t fully relax its grip until early March.

Can we change the title of this thread to just 'Climate Change' (or 'Climate Change: News/Policy/Mitigation')

Wow, improved understanding of the effects of Climate Change changes how we think it will predict future weather events.

You really are an idiot if you think this will have the affect of changing peoples opinion on Climate Change, actually has the opposite affect. Warming meaning less sea ice affecting air currents, warmer atmosphere being able to hold more water hence heavier precipitation (incl. snow fall) events. You just need to read past the headlines.

i read the whole articles

one predicts the end of snow, the other predicts more snow
in the space of 14 years. seriously if you believe this shifting narrative then you cant be helped.

you're fully under 'their' control and you'll swallow anything pissed in your mouth by corporate media and the various hucksters promoting whatever the agenda of the day is.

err no it isnt, or wasnt
the narrative has shifted because none of the predictions by the old one came true

you cant predict weather events. weather isnt climate, remember? or have they changed that narrative too?

Arctic melt means more severe winters likely - for now

16:04 27 October 2014 by Catherine Brahic
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As the Arctic warms, extremely cold winters are becoming more likely in Eurasia. Recent studies had suggested that a warmer North Pole would be linked to colder, more extreme winters in Eurasia. Now a study based on climate models of Eurasian weather suggest colder than normal winters will be twice as likely to happen. But there is a twist: the effect is unlikely to last.

The jet stream, is a fast-moving flow of air that sweeps from west to east and normally keeps Arctic weather systems swirling around the pole. Warmer than usual air over the Arctic is thought to weaken it, allowing these cold weather systems to creep south, and leading to blocking events where systems stay in one place for long periods of time rather than flowing east as normally happens. The latest study, published this week, suggests that climate change is making extreme winter systems twice as likely to settle over central Eurasia.

Masato Mori of the University of Tokyo and colleagues focused their climate modelling on central Eurasia - the region around southern Russia and northern China - and found that Arctic warming due to climate change was doubling the chances of extreme winters.

The weather systems of western Europe are linked to the jet stream too, and Adam Scaife of the UK Met Office says the effects are likely to be similar if slightly less pronounced in this region. He says Mori's study adds some strength to the proposed link between Arctic melting and cold Eurasian winters, though more work is needed to confirm it.

Mori and colleagues then pushed the analysis one step further and used their models to explore whether the cold Eurasian winter trend was likely to last. Their models suggest it won't. The Arctic could have no sea ice during the autumn by some time in the 2030s, says Scaife, at which point things will change. "The key thing here is that they argue that climate change wins in the long run," he says. So while winters may be cold for now, it might not be all that long before they follow the global warming trend.

Journal reference: Nature Geoscience, DOI: 10.1038/ngeo2277

Standard lines of conspiracy theorists... Anyone who doesn't agree with them and their 'experts' is either a monkey, a parrot, or a sheep.

Those who find the evidence for the other side more compelling than the evidence for their side are either suckers, uninformed idiots, or unable to comprehend the information at hand.