Socceroos versus The Netherlands


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Monk talks up De Guzman for Holland World Cup place
10:15 - 31 Mar 2014

Jonathan de Guzman

Jonathan de Guzman could force his way into Holland's World Cup plans if he keeps up his sparkling form, says Swansea manager Garry Monk.


The on-loan midfielder has bagged five goals in his last nine games in all competitions, including a top-quality double during the 3-0 win against Norwich on Saturday.

Canada-born de Guzman has eight caps for his adopted country Holland and played a minor role in their near-perfectWorld Cup qualifying campaign, making two starts and an appearance from the bench.

But with attacking midfielders of the calibre of Wesley Sneijder, Arjen Robben and Rafael Van der Vaart regular fixtures in Louis van Gaal's selections, it could prove tricky for the 26-year-old to force his way into the reckoning for Brazil.

Monk declared the Villarreal loanee man of the match at the Liberty Stadium, and said the versatile player, who has recently moved from central to a wide position, was the kind the Swans should sign on a permanent deal if they can.

"He was our best player today," Monk said. "He typified everything that I asked of the team for this week - not just on the ball, but off the ball.

"The two goals that he got were special and very good finishes and he showed another string to his bow - that he can be asked to play in other positions.

"I think if he continues to play like that he'll give himself a very good chance of getting in the World Cup squad."

Monk said goalkeeper Michel Vorm often talks of the culture in the Dutch squad when he returns from international duty.

"They talk about how the competition in that squad's so high, the ruthlessness of the manager and what he wants, what he demands," he added.

"It's going to be hard, but you (De Guzman) keep putting in performances like that and you'll be giving yourself a very good shout."

If De Guzman does figure prominently in the Dutch World Cup campaign his value could soar, something interim boss Monk is well aware of.

After the win over Norwich, he added: "I think after performances like that it's something for the club to think about, but obviously that's a conversation I have to have with the chairman, the player's agent and the player himself.

"At the end of the day, the player has to want to be here. I'm sure that conversation will happen very soon."
http://www.itv.com/worldcup/monk-talks-up-de-guzman-for-holland-world-cup-place
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Socceroos opposition scouting report: Netherlands

Sunday, 11 May 2014 12:00 AM

If history is anything to go by, then the Socceroos will fancy themselves to get something from the match when they come up against the Netherlands

Whether it's the huge Dutch influence that has filtered through Australian football in recent years or simply a style clash, in three previous meetings between the two nations Australia have never been beaten.

While the Netherlands were beating finalists four years ago, their most recent tournament was far less encouraging.

The Orange Army failed to get out of the group stage at Euro 2012, failing to pick up a single point.

But in saying all that, this will be a huge challenge for Ange Postecoglou's side.

Under the tutelage of Manchester United-bound Louis Van Gaal, the Netherlands seem to have rediscovered their 'total football' mojo.

They went on a 17 game unbeaten run during qualifying and recent friendlies and will head into the tournament as one of Europe's best hopes.

They possess a midfield full of young, exciting ball players like Sparta Rotterdam's Kevin Strootman, Swansea City's Jonathon de Guzman and Rafael Van der Vaart from Hamburg.

It allows the side to maintain possession for greater periods of time and bring wingers like Dynamo Kyiv's Jermain Lens and Bayern Munich star Arjen Robben into the game.

The pair not only like to take on their opponent down the outside but are just as comfortable cutting inside and shooting on goal which means the Socceroos' fullbacks will need to be at their best and get lots of support.

Add Robin van Persie, Klaas-Jan Huntelaar and Wesley Schneider to that bunch and the Dutch possess a wealth of firepower to trouble any nation.

Perhaps the Socceroos' best hope is to put pressure on their defence, which has yet to prove settled under Van Gaal.

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/Socceroos-opposition-scouting-report-Netherlands/90428
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Lol I'm not voting against Australia.


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Group B

Australia v Netherlands

Australia 8.00 Draw 4.50 Netherlands 1.3

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/soccer/international-soccer/world-cup-2014/top-markets
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now let's win this one....
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Caught the end of the Spain vs Netherlands game, they're scary.
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if they beat spain 5-1, I'm predicting

10-2 Netherlands.

but realistically

3-1 netherlands
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3-2 Australia from 2-0 down
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Have to choose australia
self belief is our biggest weapon
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We surprise Netherlands, who are focusing on the Chile game and nick it by a goal, while Chile beats Spain and then backs up against the Netherlands, and we lose to Spain, but we're through on goal difference!

Edited by paladisious: 14/6/2014 12:32:14 PM
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6-1 Netherlands
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6-1 Netherlands
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3-0 Netherlands
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Wait, isn't this the match we can win? :D
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Dan_The_Red wrote:
Wait, isn't this the match we can win? :D

Yep, just gotta be better than Spain, piece of cake!
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The Dutch have never beaten us, they are the Euro-Japs, forever in our shadow.
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If we beat the Netherlands and Spain beats Chile then all four teams will be equal on 3 points heading into the final games.
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Crusader wrote:
The Dutch have never beaten us, they are the Euro-Japs, forever in our shadow.


Japan beat us in the East Asian Cup, thanks Holger you cunt.
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Battling Socceroos take heart from Chile loss and look to upset Dutch

DateJune 14, 2014 - 4:23PM

Michael Lynch, Cuiaba

Australia might have gone down 3-1 to Chile in its opening World Cup qualifying match, but it went down fighting, and coach Ange Postecoglou's men are certain to adopt the same combative attitude when they take on the Netherlands in Porto Alegre next week in the second set of group B fixtures.

The Dutch turned the soccer world on its head with their extraordinary 5-1 win over Spain in Salvador just before Australia took on Chile. But the Socceroos, while smarting at what they believe was an unjustified loss, cannot wait to take on the team that is the flavour of the moment.

A Tim Cahill header late in the first half got Australia back into the game against the highly regarded Chileans, and a barnstorming second half almost produced an equaliser as the Socceroos were left to rue a dreadful first 15 minutes when they conceded two goals to their rampant opponents which, in the end, proved decisive.

The South Americans made sure of the three points, which gives them a platform to progress to the knockout phase, with a goal to substitute Jean Beausejour in stoppage time, giving Chile a rather flattering 3-1 victory.

Just like four years ago in Durban, when Germany tore the Socceroos apart in the opening game, Australia's World Cup seemed to be over in Cuiaba almost before it had begun, crumbling in a pile of broken dreams as a rollicking Chile stamped its authority on the game and raced to a 2-0 lead inside the first quarter of an hour.

The South Americans played with verve and wonderful technical ability, at pace and with fluency as they took control of the game from the outset.

In contrast, the Australians looked ponderous and sat too deep as they chased shadows and struggled to get any time on the ball. The Chileans ran and dribbled, passed and moved in the manner prescribed by their Argentine coach, Jorge Sampaoli.

The hordes of red-shirted Chilean fans had sung their national anthem with gusto and within 14 minutes of the kick-off were singing their song of triumph – Vamos, Vamos Chilenos – as if victory was a foregone conclusion.

It certainly seemed that way as their talented forwards, led by the classy Alexis Sanchez, the Barcelona wide man, ran riot, seemingly finding space at will as their midfielders pressed forward, giving Australia little time to play out from the back or formulate attacking moves.

Chile made the breakthrough it had been promising since the first whistle in the 12th minute, and Sanchez was the man who started the move and finished it.

He linked up on the right with Charles Aranguiz, who did remarkably well to keep the ball in play and prevent goalkeeper Mat Ryan from getting it before he flighted a cross towards the penalty area. Eduardo Vargas got enough on the ball to direct a downward header to Sanchez, who controlled before coolly shooting past Ryan.

Two minutes later, the Chileans were celebrating again with even bigger smiles as they doubled their lead. Again Sanchez was involved, spinning off his marker beautifully to open up space before slotting a pass to Jorge Valdivia.

The Brazil-based playmaker surely could not believe how much space he had been given on the edge of the penalty area and he had all the time to look up and pitch a lofted drive past Ryan and under the bar.

At that point, Chile looked Black Caviar odds to romp home against a disjointed Australia, which was chasing its tail and struggling to put together any moves of significance.

But the Socceroos have long talked up their fighting spirit as a commodity that can be used to get them out of even the direst situations. Somehow they steadied their listing ship, regained their composure and began to find a way back into the game. Nevertheless, Valdivia, Sanchez and Mauricio Isla were combining cleverly, Arturo Vidal shot just wide, and a third Chilean goal seemed more likely in the first half hour than a Socceroo one.

But a Tommy Oar long shot, and a driving run and shot over from the tireless Matthew Leckie showed there was some life in the Socceroos as they began to get some thrust in the opposition half.

And then, as has so often been the case, the talisman that is Tim Cahill struck in the 35th minute to rock the Chileans and bring fresh hope to the outsiders.

Ivan Franjic, who, like the rest of the defence had endured a torrid opening half hour, got forward and won the ball wide on the right in a crunching tackle before flighting a well-weighted cross to the centre. Cahill outjumped Chilean centre-back Gary Medel to direct a thumping header past Claudio Bravo and put the Australians back in the game.

It was his fourth World Cup goal, but more than that it put him in rarefied company as a player who has scored in three consecutive World Cups – an achievement that simply adds to his lustre with the Australian soccer public who have cleaved him to their hearts since that memorable day in Kaiserslautern eight years ago when he struck twice to bring victory over Japan.

Cahill almost delivered a repeat shortly after the restart – a glancing header went wide as he claimed his shirt was being tugged by defender Gonzalo Jara.

And then the former Everton man did have the ball in the back of the net once again when he headed home Leckie's cross, only for the ''goal'' to be ruled out for a narrow, but correct, offside call.

Mark Bresciano then came agonisingly close to levelling with a wonderful first-time volley from Jason Davidson's cross. His shot seemed to be creeping in but Bravo got down low enough to parry it out and the midfielder could only slam the rebound into the side netting.

It was now Australia that was looking threatening every time it got the ball forward on the flanks looking for the head of Cahill, and Chile which looked like a bundle of nerves, incapable of clearing properly or finding the fluid one-touch football that had illuminated the early stages of this game.

Bresciano drove forward to link with Cahill, and the hard-working Leckie – with his pace and direct runs – kept threatening the Chilean defence with his aggressive forays.

Now it was Australia doing all the pressing, the Socceroos winning all the loose balls and 50-50 contests, and looking the team most likely to score in a complete role reversal of the first half-hour.

But the Chileans were dangerous on the break, no more so than when Vargas skipped clear inside the penalty area and rolled a shot that looked for all the world as if it was going in – until the unconsidered figure of centre-half Alex Wilkinson somehow got back to hook it clear just before it crossed the line.

Australia looked the stronger team as it drove forward in search of the equaliser. Leckie's powerful run took him half the length of the field but, spent by the time he arrived in the penalty area, his shot lacked the power to trouble Bravo.

But the move was typical in what had been an enormous performance by the German-based forward, whose workrate and energy did so much to spark his team as it recovered from its dreadful start.

Cahill headed over again as Postecoglou emptied his bench, replacing Bresciano with Melbourne Victory's James Troisi, defender Ryan McGowan already having come on for the injured Franjic. Australia still looked likely to equalise right to the last, until one final Chilean break produced a rebound that Beausejour drove home.

They might have been beaten, but there was plenty to admire in the display of this inexperienced Socceroos side that augurs well for the future – if not in Brazil, then certainly in the Asian Cup early next year on home soil.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/fifa-world-cup-2014/australia-2014/battling-socceroos-take-heart-from-chile-loss-and-look-to-upset-dutch-20140614-zs7vl.html#ixzz34bytrx18
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I doubt Holland will be able to repeat such a great performance like against Spain. Davidson will keep Robben quiet and I think McGowan is adequate on the right. Holland weren't that solid at the back and they left a lot of room their with individual defenders sometimes pushing too far up or one hanging back behind the line. Leckie will enjoy the room there and Bresc will find the gaps.
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johnszasz wrote:
I doubt Holland will be able to repeat such a great performance like against Spain. Davidson will keep Robben quiet and I think McGowan is adequate on the right. Holland weren't that solid at the back and they left a lot of room their with individual defenders sometimes pushing too far up or one hanging back behind the line. Leckie will enjoy the room there and Bresc will find the gaps.


I have to admit that Davidson really surprised me in the way he managed to handle Sanchez, maybe a move to the Bundesglia or a lower premier league side if he continues his form?
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We'll lose 2-1. They'll score early, then we'll slowly exert some dominance and score. It will be 1-1 up until the final minutes when Robben will dive in the box and win a penalty. 2-1.
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Before watching the Dutch bend the Spanish over and sodomize them without even the slightest hint of lube, at 5am this morning, I would have said we're fair game to take it to them, regardless of our performance vs Chile, given our record against them. But yeah, after what they did to the Spanish this morning, if they play like that, we could be in for a world of pain.

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I believe Spain have a rep for being slow starters, yes?
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SocaWho wrote:
I believe Spain have a rep for being slow starters, yes?

They lost 1-0 to Switzerland first up in 2010, and drew 1-1 with Italy in Euro 2012, but won their first games in the 2006 and 2002 World Cups and Euro 2008, and most ironically also 2004 where they then failed to get out of the group, so it's hardly a habit.
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I think if we can finish with 11 on the park-not an easy task with Robben poncing around and tripping over grass blades-we could get a draw.

I don't agree that the Dutch were "awesome" in the general level of play against Spain, but they made the most of the gifts offered to them by the Spanairds.
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50cal_Puskàs wrote:
Was quietly optimistic against Chile, despite the 'unknown quantity' factor of our team. Now, after the Chile game, losing Franjić and seeing what the Dutch are capable of (they should have won in 2010 and are the best nation not to have won a cup, so they have almost as much incentive as Brasil to win this time), I'd have to say, we've got very little chance against Holland.

Unless the Spain drubbing goes to their heads and they start acting like superstars and playing for themselves and not the team, I think we're in for a footballing lesson.


Sounds like the typical dutch mentality right there. I don't think the dutch like the physical-ish nature of the socceroos i'm hoping this puts them off a bit.
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Inter Ant wrote:
50cal_Puskàs wrote:
Was quietly optimistic against Chile, despite the 'unknown quantity' factor of our team. Now, after the Chile game, losing Franjić and seeing what the Dutch are capable of (they should have won in 2010 and are the best nation not to have won a cup, so they have almost as much incentive as Brasil to win this time), I'd have to say, we've got very little chance against Holland.

Unless the Spain drubbing goes to their heads and they start acting like superstars and playing for themselves and not the team, I think we're in for a footballing lesson.


Sounds like the typical dutch mentality right there. I don't think the dutch like the physical-ish nature of the socceroos i'm hoping this puts them off a bit.


And thats the danger-I seriously worry that we'll have someone sent off.
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paladisious wrote:
We surprise Netherlands, who are focusing on the Chile game and nick it by a goal, while Chile beats Spain and then backs up against the Netherlands, and we lose to Spain, but we're through on goal difference!

Edited by paladisious: 14/6/2014 12:32:14 PM


with 3 points?
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staying optimistic its the world cup who the hell would have predicted spain to get pumped like that... as long as we put in a good shift and not just lay down i will be stoked... the dutch dont have that van bommel in there midfield who is going to just go through players looks like they are back to playing there "sheksy futbol". Australia has nothing to lose everyone wrote us off as soon as the groups were announced and if we could just finish those chances today we would have beaten the third best team in south america which we had on the ropes a couple of times.

The other thing is the dutch will be flying right now thinking they are invincible and by all means you beat the current holders 5-1 so its understandable why they would feel like that but teams likes ours are the sides that send those teams crashing back down to earth we have all seen it countless times within domestic leagues and international competitions. Depends what Holland turn up but this morning was a scary sight to all the other teams in the wc


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