watching wsw in acl again. They are able to go from a deep attacking situation with only two players back to a deep defensive block of 8 in perfect positions in 3 seconds, which is faster than the other team can counter

their backline is always perfectly straight and they always are in perfect structure

can anyone analyse how they do this? Why can't other a league clubs do this (not even close)? It doesn't seem incompatable with proactive football

incidentally the first goal they conceded was due to a sanfreece player pulling the shirt a few times of a midfielder in backplay preventing him to race back so WSW had no players in their second line of defense when the cross came in.
The second Covic was out of position but was a beautiful goal because it was scored despite good defensive structure
The less said about the 3rd the better :)

Sanfreece's method of passing the ball between the two cbs 50 times to force wsw to come forward was also a good tactic as it spread them out and made them easier to play through

surprisingly wsw looked ok passing the ball around in the first half - something they aren't known for

They do? :lol:

-PB

aye they do even though they had a bad game today. The last two goals were due to individual errors and the second also had a moment of individual brilliance. Only the 1st goal involved not tracking back and a player had his shirt pulled delaying his ability to track back leaving the second line of defence empty

They would do a lot of this in training ground practice. Probably more than other teams who may spend more time on structured possession in midfield.

I'm in Europe, unable to watch the ACL, so I'm enjoying your opinion on the game, Grazor.

Where in Europe Decentic anywhere near spain?

The big clubs in europe always have sparkling organization off the ball. Surely its possible to do both without compromise?

Italy and Switzerland.

This is a sight seeing trip. I' m travelling with people with no interest in football.

I've seen some Euro clubs defend brilliantly against Barca, but they have struggled to maintain the ball for more than a few seconds.

Atletico and Real seem to be proficient at both.

Edited by Decentric: 8/5/2014 07:20:43 PM

Such people exist? what do they do with their time?

Valencia as well is moving in the right direction, with a ways to go.

even if you just include barca their defensive organization is pretty good.

Just the simple requirement that the last line is straight and that your players track back to form a block of eight surely can't be that hard to train without taking away too much time in training

It just becomes a question of how well a team can do something against extremely high quality opposition.

Barca have now been confronted by the Madrids being able to launch superb accelerated attacks against them.a

I saw a MV game where an acl team (evergrande iirc) launched a count. The first line of defence tracked back pretty well but it was probably about 10 seconds before the second line had two people in it and a full minute before a very wobbly block of 8 formed. Were they walking back? I might be exaggerating I didn't literally count but I did count a couple of times with wsw and it was a cool 3 seconds before the second line had formed.

Sure against some super opposition like atletico madrid you might need to do better than three seconds but surely we can do a lot better in the a league with minimal difficulty.

I think one of the problems is we don't have enough players that can threaten from distance in wide areas. In MVs first game against evergrande Diamanti was such a player and he punished victory.
I remember when even Holman made the move from the eredivisie to epl he had some trouble with this. He would track back pretty quickly but he was castigate by fans after a game where he was defending in the second line of a block of eight out wide and he was a little lazy in allowing a player to create a little space for himself and shooting. If that happens in the a league people are all complimenting the goal and no one worries too much about the defending because no one expects that defensive mistake to be punished so it isn't even viewed as a mistake.
It might be a learning experience against spain quality opposition - how vital the second line is
Come to think of it its only this year where the middle positions of the second line have really begun to matter a little as clubs have gotten better at punishing teams that leave space in front of the box

NRMAIWSWFC invented organisation.

I watched a few games over and over that involved wsw during long flights.
I'm still a little naive as to how wsw have such good organization so I'm writing my observations from a very laymans perspective.
One thing I noticed they do is they do better than other teams is when they are in a deep defensive block of eight not only are the two horizontal lines of four straight and quickly into position, the 4 vertical lines of 2 are gun barrel straight two. It was particularly apparent when mooy replaced topor stanley. He was less disciplined in keeping his vertical line straight which seemed to open up little passing lanes around him. Mooys defensive statistics this year have been very good and shown he is extremely talented at bpo but his lack of positional discipline cost his team

another thing I often see them doing is positioning a player behind the ball carrier so if there is a contested possesion the ball often falls to the wanderers

The biggest mystery is how they manage to consistently make 4-3, 3-2 situations. They are amazing at outnumbering a team everywhere on the pitch. Often roar players were outnumbered 4-1 during the game! It is difficult to disect how they do this

Really interesting observations. Poppa was also credited with greatly improving Crystal Palaces' defensive structure as well. If you rewatch games I reckon it would be interesting to compare the tightness and spacing of WSW's central block of four (2 CBs and 2 central midfielders) in BPO compared to other teams. I think this is an area of strength for them.

Fitness must play a big role, I think WSW are probably one of the fittest sides going round, I noticed in the ACL games last night Haliti when he was playing at 11, he actually got back and shut down some attacks near the top of the box centre field, then turned and helped the transition.

You also notice the difference between Santa and Juric as 9, Santa is quicker and tracks back, whilst Juric is 'lazier' might not be lazy but plays more as a striker, Santa really shuts plays down

I would suggest you go on an advanced FFA coaching course asap, it would feed your hunger for information and expand your enjoyment of the game.

How much do they cost?
Can you do them by distance

The c licence has 2 versions, c youth is more technical development for coaches working with 12 to 14s and the standard c is more tactical for those working with older players. Both are about $1500 i believe.

Delivery is either residential for i think 6 days or during the evening and weekends spread over a couple of weeks, either way you must attend.

Do it youll love it.

I would agree with this.

Although it might be prudent to do a Senior Licence first. It only takes four days, two weekends, and they are a lot cheaper.

The hardest thing for Grazor in a C Licence, is him taking practical training ground sessions, if he hasn't done them before. Some FFA coach educators/assessors take it very seriously as to who receives Advanced Coaching Licences.

There is also a level of inconsistency in evaluations. I've known people who work inthe media, or are attached to national teams, not in a coaching capacity, to be very leniently assessed.

I've also known some of the top FFA amateur coaches to have failed, yet they have a phenomenal amount of football knowledge compared to some media members and glorified storeroom boys who have passed.](*,)

One Technical Director in a region of Australia has headed overseas to be assessed in Singapore. He maintains he is out of the Old Boys club. Nepotism and cronyism must be eradicated.

I know of a case where one frustrated FFA assessor observed another FFA assessor fail 90 percent of his course intake. The observer would've passed most of them.](*,)

Maybe Grazor doing a Senior Licence, would save him about 1200 dollars and about 12 full time days on courses? I wish I could speak authoritatively about the value of the Senior Licence, but I have not done it.

Edited by Decentric: 17/5/2014 01:58:23 AM

#-o

Edited by Decentric: 17/5/2014 01:53:07 AM

The fact that they're going to Europe now (most leagues seasons are finished) says it all :lol: