England should be my second team. Nearly all my extended family live in England and I've spent 10 years living there.

However, England, always underperforms in international football.

Why?

Because the English Football Association, ethnocentrically refuses to adopt practices from Europe. Yet English clubs import coaching continental European expertise and players.

In the past few years, English triallists from this state have sent youth training programs from League One and Two clubs. They are just a joke!

When will the penny drop in England?

When will the FA stop thinking football ends at the English Channel?

When will the English media stop blaming individual players and the national team coach for their constant lack of success and underperformance? England has close to the best league in the world, the EPL, but few of English players are key players in the the big clubs, or, if they are, they are overly reliant on foreign players to make them perform.

English coaches are rarely instated as coaches at senior or youth level in EPL clubs. Why? Poor coach education through the FA.

Why can't the FA observe the improvement of some football nation like us, Japan, Korea, Belgium, and the fantastic continued success of a little country, Uruguay, and find out why?

For all those Eurosnobs that follow English teams below the English big five clubs, and rubbish Aussie teams, the rest of English football is almost irrelevant in a global context.



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Edited by Decentric: 20/6/2014 09:59:00 AM

SAF for Euro 2016.

-PB

All of my family are there too and I absolutely love the short amount of time I've spent there. Their NT on the other hand is a complete mystery. Are they just too easy to counter because of how easy it is to research and study all of their players? I'm not sure, but you have to feel sorry for them yet again.

I've been part of the FA's coach education program, they were fucking useless. The focus was yet again on fitness and was a total waste of money. I'm going to Germany in a year so i'll continue my UEFA B there. It's no wonder that the coaches in England are so shit when the people educating them are even worse.

The sad thing is that all the English youth and junior coaches I met on the pitch in England, think they know a lot about football. Ditto Scotland. They honestly knew nothing. Even where one sees the content of League One and Two clubs, the content is rubbish most of the time. Yet they think they know it all, from a misplaced football ethnocentrism. No coaches I met had heard of the KNVB.](*,)

The stuff they do on the training ground is utter rubbish.

None of them value coach education either.](*,)

There is about one trained Advanced ( semi-pro/pro) coach in England, to about every 100 in Holland, Spain, Italy, Germany and France.](*,)

There are obviously some good English youth coaches in the biggest pro clubs, but they must seek imported methodology. Or they follow the curriculum written by continental coaches.

If you intend to coach in Australia, I'd advise doing your B Licence here.

FFA can be officious and pedantic about recognising overseas qualifications, even from our NC sources.

On you post, the English think we know nothing about football in Australia, when we've imported all the knowledge they overlook.

Edited by Decentric: 20/6/2014 11:28:16 AM

England are a good European team but 3 of the last 4 world cups have not been in Europe

In Korea/Japan and South Africa they only won 1 group game
In France and Germany they won 2 group games

In the 04 and 12 Euro (they didn't qualify for 08) they also won 2 group games

To me that suggests if they are only picking EPL players then they are picking a team suitable for playing in and around Europe, but they seem to struggle outside of Europe

Already checked with them on this, but good (and much appreciated) advice. FFA said conversion to their one shouldn't be an issue just make sure i keep a full documentation of my progression as in where i was instructed, names of instructors, date, year blah blah. Coach education is significantly cheaper in Germany and Holland and a lot of it is also done in English (even though i can speak German) so the benefits are outweighing the negatives atm.

I had KNVB training organised by FFA in Canberra, but local branch of FFA refused to recognise it.

Its always the same question re England - why ? and tbh on paper they actually look good :lol:

One of their better looking squads, blend of youth and experience, most players had good EPL season barring the manu guys ;)
So why ? Decentric I won't counter your way for I'm no coach/analyst just a long time weekend passionate hacker, kids playing and we love our foxtel :lol: but one thing that struck me during the this mornings game was :

1. lack of itensity - sure they played themselves back into the game cooly calmly but thats when they did finally pick the pace up a little whereas the uruguayans threw themselves into it all game. you saw the desperation wanting the ball or spoil the opponents attack - that skin head 17 for Uruguay, Johnson was cooly praying for the ball go over the sideline and in the last inchs 17 slide to not let that happen driving the ball up the line, my friend watching with me by the way a Toon said it there and then, thats the diff thats England.

2. Woys tactics - ok many of my Pool players who had a fare season - having the SS boys together then incl Hendo at LM, where was the faster play ? the counter attacks that these guys had in form all their EPL season, incl having SG who could lay the ball on the platter for them taking out 3 of their opponents in one sweet long range pass breaking out from their last 3rd ?

The slow/er build up play is not their game imo.
England can't find their own style to suit - the old days of long balls/early EPL or 1st Div days obviously they can't play it this way an entire game but they also can't play the way Italy etcetc can as well - they possibly should follow the german style.

Hopefully I make some sense if not, dgaf :d

Stan Collymore, former EPL striker, was interviewed on SBS.

He said England had considered sending coaches to Brazil, and Australia, to evaluate and adopt some of our new football curriculum. Some stakeholders in Engalnd have noted an improvement in football in Australia since we repudiated English coaching methodology in 2007, changing to a Dutch approach, with input from Spain, Germany, France and Brazil.

Frustratingly he said nothing has happened in England to act on this.

Collymore also elucidated that Australian players played in the under 17 national teams, under 20s , under 23s up to seniors, getting sequential exposure to international football. He said in England that Stuart Pierce, recent under 21 England coach, said players were keen to play under 17s, then after that they weren't interested in playing for other England underage teams as they aged. Interesting.:-k

Subsequently and consequently, he thought players then struggled with international tournaments.

Collymore also said the structure of English football need to change from the top down to grass roots.

He also expressed his frustration at the lack of interest in football at national team level in England from fans and players compared to club football. Collymore said losing to Costa Rica with a population of 5 million, and Uruguay with 3 million, with England having 92 professional clubs, is unacceptable, for a population of 53 million Poms.

He also elucidated the lack of English coaches with Advanced training - C Licence upwards, compared to the continental big five, who have so many semi-pro/pro trained coaches. He also noted the improvement in German and Belgian football since borrowing from the Dutch KNVB. The other issue for them, highlighted by Melbourne Terrace, is the lack of quality of English Football Association courses.

Collymore, very articulate, by any standards, but particularly so for an English footballer, sounds like a frustrated Craig Foster about 8 years ago.

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Sad but true, the only decent program outside the top 2 divisions was MK Dons.

FA don't control football they just administer it as the clubs have all the power, just look at what happened for the proposed changes for the fifth tier, Brian Lee is an old fart but was a great manager in his time at Wycombe but lives in a time warp .

Continental coaches have had a great influence on youth setups, even home grown Woy transformed Fulham from top to bottom in his time there.

They have a primitive coaching philosophy. Simple.

England's and Australia's issues are at polar opposites.

We lack players with technical skills, but they play for one another, they play for the shirt and that makes the team greater than the sum of its parts.

English players technically are on a level with the best in the world. But they play as individuals, their passion lies with their clubs, not their country. The last two players that I last saw play with their heart for England were Beckham and Gascoine. The coaches are also not selecting the best team, but rather the best individuals. Consequently they are unable to put on a cohesive side.

Looks like they're trying to do something about it, like our own NC.

http://www.thefa.com/st-georges-park/discover/coaching/the-future-game

I agree, this quote from Graham Taylor on the continued snubbing of Michael Carrick from the England squad hits the nail on the head imo:

"When you go into that England situation, people expect every player to be special and every player to have an ability that is so eye-catching that he has had a good game, yet the reality, whether it is international or club football, is that you still want that continuity player in your side who is available to help you out and get the pass going again. Sometimes it's hard to be recognised at club level, but it's 10 times harder at international level."

It says it all to me that a player like Paul Scholes is regarded by many in England to be the lesser of the more flashy Gerrard and Lampard, but is much more highly regarded in Europe, even seen as a role model at the La Masia academy.

Yep. We hear the same stuff every 2 years :lol:

Could be worse, they haven't been beaten by Costa Rica.

summed up brilliantly on visit to Brentford a few years back , when the acadamey director ( not the one currently masquerading down under and claiming to be a former director) , said that " he was here to produce players for the championship and not the champions league"

Shouldn't English fans be happy? They've been waiting years to perform like Spain....