Nope. Not really. Not ever.

Tony Vidmar was marquee. Aloisi and Ceccoli were registered as injury replacements for the season-ended injured Matt Osman and Dean Heffernan respectively.

A-league rules, clearly written, had never at any stage required injury replacement wages to be included with the cap along with the deregistered players wage for obvious reasons. Hence not a single rule was broken.

Of course, for anyone who still can't (after 7 years mind you) understand this very, very basic law must either have some kind of adult comprehension disability or is a compulsive liar. Either way, I hope pv4 isn't 'studying' for any kind of profession where peoples lives are affected in any way.

Well no, that's quite different. There's a big difference between a player changing clubs and countries for employment and remaining with the same club in a non playing capacity.

How can the FFA control what a player does after the player's contract expires with a club. All players with less than 6 months remaining on their contract are free to negotiate with other clubs, thats a FIFA thing, it's just that most clubs don't own more than one club and most leagues don't have salary caps.

If Lampard was to play 10 matches and then go to China to make millions there's nothing the FFA could do to stop him. If he goes to New York can they suddenly jump up and down in protest? I doubt it, but if someone has a rule to show me i'd gladly consider it.

Edited by kaufusi: 11/7/2014 03:51:10 PM

I don't think a players name or standard should really come into though, its about fairness and the integrity of the competition, you simply can't have different rules for different clubs.

If the FFA & City want to change the rules it needs to be a open process that involves all the clubs, a discussion about the salary cap, marquee spots, long service payments, etc.


I really don't think its that simple, if that was the case we'd see all clubs giving out similar deals to this and hiring the players as 'consultants' once their contracts were over but we don't. It will be difficult to trace but they'll be rules in place for these type of deals.

So what if Lampard was to sign a short term contract with Melbourne, under the cap for 150k. Similar to someone like Duff (only he has a longer contract). He has no other contracts and therefore no other payments could possibly be included in MCFC's cap.

If he were to then sign with New York in November/December, as any upcoming free agent can do, he can then make his millions without it impacting on the HAL or the cap whatsoever.

It's that simple.

Edited by kaufusi: 11/7/2014 11:53:20 AM

This is where we differ, if a club(s) can get these players, my attitude is FFA should do what they can to help out. Berisha as good as he is, is not of this standard.

Edited by robbos: 11/7/2014 06:31:06 AM

Fuck fairness! Fairness has held us back!

Which is a stupid attitude to take, not when the fairness of the competition is at stake.

If they want him, sign him as a permanent marquee ffs.

-PB

Oil money talks.

To be perfectly honest I don't care if it were Lampard, Drogba or even Messi if City can't get said player under the current rules the FFA shouldn't allow it.

Six months ago, The Roar attempted to discuss the salary cap system with the FFA yet they didn't want to and we were told


So as far as I'm concerned if City can't get Lampard under the current system they shouldn't be allowed to. You can't have one rule for one club and a different one for another club. Its bullshit.

Thing is, there's a way around it in either case. They could loan him to Melb City and in his contract take a big pay cut for 6 months and then have a separate "hidden contract" which will be signed once he leaves melbourne and goes to New York. They will make up for it once he's contracted at New York.

Example, comes to melbourne for $150,000 for 10 weeks, and then moves to America and signs a new deal worth $5,000,000+ There's nothing stopping a player playing for free practically if there is an understanding that payments will be made up in the future.

Basically if a player is moving from one club to another owned by the same owner, it will be practically impossible to enforce these salary cap rules.

From next season they should just open up another marquee spot and get rid of the loan player arrangement which allows certain clubs to take advantage.

What other clubs are co-owned. Surely this is a unique situation.

No need to apologize :)

Oh I agree, Lampard would be great. I'd love for him to be signed as the international marquee and have him around for the whole season though.

I for one don't care how they do it.

I'll just love watching Villa and Lampard in Australia.

My apologies I did not know this occurred with Berisha, I now understand.
However, no disrespect to Berisha, who I think is one of the best ever A-League players & a Legend here (love him or hate him) but he is no Lampard. We should be encouraging owners who can get players of this quality into this country.

Guest player: Fine
Loan player from MCG club: Not so fine

IIRC Brisbane asked the FFA for some sort of loan deal for Berisha which would have him on the books of one the Bakrie's clubs and have them pay the majority chunk of his wage. The FFA knocked this back as it does undermine the cap and basically said that whatever the sister club was paying Berisha would be what would be taken out of the cap unlike a normal loan deal.

Yet it appears that City might be being allowed to do this with either Lampard or Villa (whichever isn't the guest).

Feel free to correct me on anything, it was a while ago.

Please enlighten me how they are doing it? From what I can tell they haven't announced him yet!!!
What is wrong with a guest player & a Loan player?

Because it's how they are doing it that people have a problem.

Fuck is is that hard for people to understand?

-PB

Exactly, MCG (Manchester City Group) wants to bring out Villa & maybe Lampard to the A-League & we have people complaining. We all love big names, it's bit great watching Del Piero over the last 2 seasons even though his legs gave out near the end.

That's the nature of having a very specific salary system in a world sport.

It seems like no one knows what the situation is. Honestly, fuck the cap and bring players to Australia. The cap is halting our potential with such rich owners. Australians love a big name.

Those loans aren't a problem. It's more when owners of multiple clubs can do the shuffling around their clubs so as to minimize any effect on the cap.

There's no way in hell that MV were paying Rogic and Troisi's wages under the cap... Rogic is on €15 000 Per week... Not sure about Troisi.
It's an obvious loophole but I can't really see a way to deal with it without degrading potential positives for the league.

Wasn't Berisha going to be signed by Inter Milan then loaned back to Brisbane?
That was blocked by FFA as an avenue only because they wanted Berisha at Victory to strengthen them and weaken Brisbane. Gotta share the trophies around eh FFA!
(puts on tin foil hat)

Agreed 100%.

Edited by jlm8695: 10/7/2014 01:55:49 AM

Oh agreed, I didn't word that ideally in hindsight.

I was more getting at the irony of MC being allowed to loan Villa/Lampard from NYC as is being discussed and most if not all of their wage being paid by a club which has the same owners therefore manipulating the salary cap.

Edited by YerNathanael: 10/7/2014 12:04:52 AM

Who knows, maybe because its obvious manipulation of the salary cap?

How come we weren't allowed to pack Berisha off to Indonesia and loan him back?

Edited by YerNathanael: 9/7/2014 10:13:33 PM

The precedent has been set by Melbourne victory let's see if ffa are good for their word

Edited by lukerobinho: 9/7/2014 09:01:48 PM

:lol:
It's an entirely unique situation and you know it.

really ? who ?