To the dude who started this thread. I read the first page and not the rest, but it reminded me of something from a few years ago and I thought I'd drop a note, no matter how unlikely this might be.

I used to frequent blogs on smh.com.au by Sam de Brito and AskSam (I worked night shift OK :lol: ) and over time you would get to recognise the regulars. I imagine the active online community for this sort of thing is generally pretty small, so if you ever run into a poster generally going by the name of peter who claims to be an Aussie I.T. Consultant who lives/lived in Europe (Germany?), Just.Fuckin.Run.




Edited by Aljay: 5/9/2014 09:35:51 PM

Why am I so beta?

The online community seems pretty large and diverse to me, but I'll keep an eye out. Why should I run?

Ok, so I had a dig online and found it. This guy used to post all over the relationship blogs on Fairfax sites and blogs by Samantha Brett and Sam De Brito (two pretty well known Australian relationship writers) about how men were treated by divorce courts, how its all in females favour etc and this TRP online community stuff sounded vaguely similar. I thought the guy would probably still be posting stuff, but it appears he deep-ended (I just made that into a verb). Just google "Peter Nolan psychopath" and see what comes up. Here are a few links:

This is his attempted legit stuff : http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Home.aspx

This is some of the other stuff online about him:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/peter-andrew-nolanc-a-danger-to-self-and-others/
http://peterandrewnolan.com/category/peter-nolan-psychopath/
http://peternolanstalker.blogspot.com.au/ (potential trigger warning?)

So do you think all women should be passive in their relationships?

I'm probably not the first person to observe that taking the red pill is a gradual process, and that the loss of illusions, like any other loss, initiates a grieving process.

But it's worth pointing out that psychology's general "five stages" model of the grieving process applies to TRP.

1, Denial: "Women aren't like that! They're people just like everyone else! Treat them all as individuals, and you're sure to find the right one!"

2, Anger: "WTF! Bitches are all like this! They have no honour, no loyalty, and they don't really love anyone but themselves! Fucking cunts!"

3, Bargaining: "If I work real hard and learn all the pickup moves, then at least I'll get laid."

4, Depression: "Getting laid by shallow, obnoxious women has become dull and unrewarding. And there's no sense looking for a unicorn. Maybe I'll just be MGTOW for a while."

5, Acceptance: "Women aren't bad. My expectations of them, and theirs of me, were based on faulty premises. They are creatures of instinct, just like I am... but of different instincts. If I learn what those instincts are, and teach them about mine, we can develop realistic expectations of each other and get along just fine."

If we really want to understand what gets written here, in its proper context, we need to understand that most "Red Pill Theory" posts will belong to one of these five stages. Each stage has value, because to reach a later one, you must go through the earlier ones. And, as in grieving, the progress through is seldom linear, smooth, uniform, and one-directional.

But to understand each post in context, it helps to mentally decide which stage it belongs to, and read it with that in mind.

This is why concern trolling and tone policing have no place here. Not because extremism is our banner (we have no banner, we are not a crusade), but because venting, discussing and understanding anger is a legitimate part of phase 2. Saying that women aren't worth hanging about with, even for sex, is part of phase 4.

If I were to say "don't be so angry" to someone who comes here to say "all women are bitches and whores", then I would be interrupting his process of coming to terms with the loss of his illusions. It would be far better for me to tell him that his feelings are important (because feels actually sometimes are important), and that his anger is not bottomless, and that it will eventually run dry.

So when I read a text post here, some red pill theory, some rant, I just say to myself "stage 2". Or "stage 3". Or "stage 5". And then I continue reading. Because they are all useful. Even if I am (mostly) over my own anger, understanding other men's anger helps me, because it teaches me more about where the disconnect between reality and our expectations occurs.

But to anyone who doesn't understand that TRP posts come from different stages of the process... well, a lot of what's written here just isn't going to make sense.

This reads between a cross of some sort Tony Robbins motivational, Scientology & a warped interpretation of The Game.

No wonder blokes have problems when they're being fed this sort of cult like pop pyschology.

Wankers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnJxDmJNmA :lol:

Top comment:

As a redditor and moderator of /r/theredpill I approve of this video, that stupid female was put in her place by an alpha male and hopefully now she will learn to behave! 

Being controlling is for losers!

Many detractors of The Red Pill find the men who subscribe to this body of information to be “controlling.” Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Red Pill promotes something that’s not immediately obvious at first: the complete abdication of any attempt to control anything, except for the one thing you can actually control. Yourself.

We can’t control women. Women are going to live the lives they want, date the men they want, fuck the men they want, marry the men they want, cheat on the guys they want to cheat on, divorce the guys they want to divorce, and live completely normal and happy lives with guys – or live completely normal and happy lives without guys -- and do exactly as they please, whenever and however they want. And they should. Women have the right to do whatever they want with their lives, and to pursue whatever kind of happiness they want, however they want to go about it.

You can’t control a woman, nor should you try. All you can control is yourself. You can choose to become physically fit, you can choose to become professionally successful, you can choose to become socially apt and well-connected, you can choose to learn useful skills, you can choose to pursue interesting hobbies – you can choose to live a fulfilling life, all on your own, with or without women.

When a man posts something on asktrp, lamenting that “My wife/girlfriend never has sex with me” or “doesn’t respect me” or “flirts with other guys in front of me” or “cheats on me constantly” or “is a total bitch about everything all the time” – Nobody ever responds, “Rape her if she won’t have sex with you. Beat her until she respects you out of fear. Lock her up and keep her in the basement to keep her from the outside world. You should CONTROL HER!” Nope. Never that. In fact, the exact opposite is what’s expressed.

Let it go, they’re told. You can’t control her. Focus on yourself. Become fit, successful, social, skilled, and interesting. Raise your own value and don’t worry about her at all. Live your own fulfilling life independent of her. She’ll either come around, or she won’t. If she does, great. If she doesn’t, any number of other women will want to be with you now that you’ve focused on your own life. Don’t worry about controlling her. Just focus on you.

If the situation is especially egregious, the advice usually given is: “Next.” That’s right. Don’t control her at all. Don’t even try. Let her go. Let her live her own life. Cut her loose and live yours. Being jealous and controlling is “beta.”

Where The Red Pill and modern feminism and other detractors diverge, however, is that the others will tell you that self-improvement is cheating. It’s “manipulation.” If you become muscular and hot, you’re just manipulating women with your good looks. If you excel professionally, you’re manipulating women with your money and status. If you’re awesome socially, you’re just gaming women when you go out and wow them with your social network. And so on.

When you withdraw your attention from a woman that’s behaving undesirably and focus on yourself, that’s dubbed “manipulative.” When you improve yourself such that you’re attractive to your woman (and to other women), that’s manipulative. When you dump a woman who’s not measuring up to your standards, that’s manipulative. Essentially, by not attempting to control the situation (e.g., control the woman), that’s seen as an attempt to manipulate her. Because the very fact that you’re not being controlling will influence a woman to think or feel a certain way. The very fact that you’re working on your own life will influence a woman. And doing things that influence women to think or feel something is evil manipulation.

The solution is simple, of course. Live in your mother’s basement and only come out to go to work. Give all of your money to the nearest woman since you’re not paying rent. Repeat. Or you could just tell the rest of the world to go fuck themselves and live an awesome life, and let the few women lucky enough to be a part of that life enjoy the ride.

No more than the first mate on a ship should be passive.

The thing that I don't understand is has there been some massive discovery about women and the nature of women that I'm completely unaware of?? Because this all seems like a guide to enlightenment, but I have no idea what exactly it is that has changed.



Maybe I don't have much relationship experience, but I think it's pretty offensive to apply ranks to something that is supposed to be mutual and co-operative. I'm not a subordinate to my boyfriend.

My marriage is mutual and co-operative. If it wasn't we wouldn't be married.

I don't think that there are any new revelations about the nature of women, just hundreds of thousands of years of study.

I am in awe of the stupidity on display in this thread. I didn't think people like this existed.

I was wrong.

I'm not a subordinate to my boyfriend.

The more I read Notor's view on here, the more it sounds like the woman's role in a biblical marriage.