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Double Edged Sword wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Understandable. A slightly different question for you then, how do you feel about white Anglo Muslims in Australia, honestly? This topic is about the minority extremist threat from sections of the muslim community. Don't derail it, stay on topic, because it it a serious topic that needs a fair and frank discussion. So then why are you talking about integration? That's a cultural issue, not a religious issue. I had a point that I was getting towards. Please allow for reasonable conversation rather than bigoted and intolerant rants.
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Eastern Glory
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benelsmore wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Understandable. A slightly different question for you then, how do you feel about white Anglo Muslims in Australia, honestly? Complex question. If i drive to Logan south west of Brisbane I think good lord wheres napalm when you need it :lol: I think us anglo's need to be a little less trigger happy when it comes to having a go at things we disagree with. If this is going to go back to anglo's and aboriginals 300 years ago it's not going to go anywhere. :lol: :lol: :lol: I thought about taking it back there, but there's no challenge in that ;) Look, I'm all for immigrants adopting Australian customs and values, but I think it needs to be up to them to choose what they do and don't adopt from the current way of life that many Australians enjoy. I'm openly not comfortable with with Sydney's growing Islamic population, but my issue is with the religion, not so much the Arab people themselves who make up most of Sydney's Islamic population, along with Pakistanis.
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Eastern Glory wrote:benelsmore wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Understandable. A slightly different question for you then, how do you feel about white Anglo Muslims in Australia, honestly? Complex question. If i drive to Logan south west of Brisbane I think good lord wheres napalm when you need it :lol: I think us anglo's need to be a little less trigger happy when it comes to having a go at things we disagree with. If this is going to go back to anglo's and aboriginals 300 years ago it's not going to go anywhere. :lol: :lol: :lol: I thought about taking it back there, but there's no challenge in that ;) Look, I'm all for immigrants adopting Australian customs and values, but I think it needs to be up to them to choose what they do and don't adopt from the current way of life that many Australians enjoy. I'm openly not comfortable with with Sydney's growing Islamic population, but my issue is with the religion, not so much the Arab people themselves who make up most of Sydney's Islamic population, along with Pakistanis. I tend to agree with you. I don't have a concern with the population providing that we don't have a London/Paris scenario where we end up with ghettos. That i'm not ok with. They can choose what they like, the effort is what endears them to the rest of the public imo.
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benelsmore wrote:mcjules wrote:Every single day, as I try to go about my daily business I think "things would be much better if there weren't these muslims everywhere obstructing me" Not all immigrants are muslims. They seem to be most represented. Their last obstruction was a bunch complaining about not being allowed to construct a mosque in Currumbin on the Gold Coast. It made my drive to a work site longer than necessary. The world is a terrible place :lol:  :lol: Edited by mcjules: 27/9/2014 01:08:30 AM
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Double Edged Sword
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Eastern Glory wrote:Double Edged Sword wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Understandable. A slightly different question for you then, how do you feel about white Anglo Muslims in Australia, honestly? This topic is about the minority extremist threat from sections of the muslim community. Don't derail it, stay on topic, because it it a serious topic that needs a fair and frank discussion. So then why are you talking about integration? That's a cultural issue, not a religious issue. I had a point that I was getting towards. Please allow for reasonable conversation rather than bigoted and intolerant rants. Hang on, wait a sec... where did I mention integration in any of my posts so far in this topic? A cultural issue, yes I fully agree, it's always dressed up as an Australian gov/culture/community problem by muslim leaders, Islamic apologists, and left wing loonies... The problem runs deeper than that, and I want the muslim community to recognise this, rather than playing the victim or race or religion card.
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Carlito
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The Muslim community ? That's where shit gets wrong really quickly . The whole damn country needs to look at itself and not just a single section of the community
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Eastern Glory wrote:Understandable. A slightly different question for you then, how do you feel about white Anglo Muslims in Australia, honestly? White Anglo Muslim Women are amongst the most annoying, shrill, obnoxious people I have ever come across.
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Everyone on this thread needs to answer EG's question: Quote:what is integration? For me, it is about embracing Australia as your new home and adding to the multicultural melting pot, as well as taking new experiences from that pot. It's about not shutting yourself off from the community or being insular in what's comfortable. It's about speaking up for your values, and listening to others speaking up for their own.
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notorganic wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Understandable. A slightly different question for you then, how do you feel about white Anglo Muslims in Australia, honestly? White Anglo Muslim Women are amongst the most annoying, shrill, obnoxious people I have ever come across. x2. And generally they are incredibly naïve.
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Felixx_17 wrote:433 wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:[size=9] notorganic wrote: They are right to say what they said. To reiterate what Muslim leaders have said: a) Violence & Murder is not Islamic (or religious at all) b) Fatwas from IS have no religious significance and should be ignored by Muslims c) We won't condemn anyone until a full investigation is complete (because we believe in what you believe in, the presumption of innocence until guilt has been proven) d) We need to bring these youths into our community so they hear this message, not further radicalised by marginalising and alienating them
[/size] 433 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Is it multiculturalism is a failure if the multiple cultures are from Asia, Middle East or Africa?
Or is multiculturalism from Anglo countries a success?
-PB When I was a kid multiculturalism from dirty greasy wog, eye-tie, dago countries like my parents were from was a failure. Then the Vietnamese and then other Asians copped it in the 70's and 80's. It seems that now it's the Africans and Moslems turn. The asians, wogs and jews integrated well into our society. Why can't Africans and Muslims do the same? Maybe if we were not alienated, marginalised, and vilified, then both groups would fit in very well like they are trying to. also http://www.mygc.com.au/news/anti-islamic-teens-threaten-to-behead-gold-coast-man-they-mistook-for-a-muslim/This is what fear mongering gets you. :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= Cry me a river mate. It's not Australia's fault that Muslim men are stabbing police officers. Sorry fuckface but yes it is Australia's fault. The kid broke up with his girlfriend and was looking for something to be a part of to fill that void in his life, unfortunately it was ISIS. From what I read he never planned to do anything in Australia, he wanted to travel overseas and fight for ISIS. His parents tried to snap him out of it. Meanwhile you have the AFP going over to his house and telling him they are watching him, what a great idea, you tell any angry 18 year old man not to do something, what happens? They fuckin do it. Then they decide to cancel his passport, what a great idea! If he wants to kill himself fighting for ISIS overseas let him. Why make him stay in Australia where authorities are squeezing him, waiting for him to slip up? Then on top of that you have the media fear mongering and the majority of spineless blind Australians (like your kind self) shitting themselves, this makes someone who is already angry and irrational even more so, and now he cant leave the country, great! I dont know what happened at the police station, you dont, the media doesnt. From what Iv seen though you have a kid whos angry, being pressured by police, media and society, all waiting for him to fuck up. If the AFP left him alone he would have fucked off overseas or gotten over it. You're absolutely right! That poor, poor innocent kid who just wanted to be a terrorist and stab police officers. We should really feel sorry for these people, because it's always Western societies fault that young Muslim men are violent!
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:The Muslim community ? That's where shit gets wrong really quickly . The whole damn country needs to look at itself and not just a single section of the community Yes, because every single aspect of the country is involved with this sort of stuff. It's not just the same community again and again. :roll:
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the kid made his own decisions. he's his own man. he went to a cop station to cause trouble and duly got punished for it
i grew up on the mean streets of belmore so i know what im talking about
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RedKat wrote:433 wrote:Felixx_17 wrote:433 wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:[size=9] notorganic wrote: They are right to say what they said. To reiterate what Muslim leaders have said: a) Violence & Murder is not Islamic (or religious at all) b) Fatwas from IS have no religious significance and should be ignored by Muslims c) We won't condemn anyone until a full investigation is complete (because we believe in what you believe in, the presumption of innocence until guilt has been proven) d) We need to bring these youths into our community so they hear this message, not further radicalised by marginalising and alienating them
[/size] 433 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Is it multiculturalism is a failure if the multiple cultures are from Asia, Middle East or Africa?
Or is multiculturalism from Anglo countries a success?
-PB When I was a kid multiculturalism from dirty greasy wog, eye-tie, dago countries like my parents were from was a failure. Then the Vietnamese and then other Asians copped it in the 70's and 80's. It seems that now it's the Africans and Moslems turn. The asians, wogs and jews integrated well into our society. Why can't Africans and Muslims do the same? Maybe if we were not alienated, marginalised, and vilified, then both groups would fit in very well like they are trying to. also http://www.mygc.com.au/news/anti-islamic-teens-threaten-to-behead-gold-coast-man-they-mistook-for-a-muslim/This is what fear mongering gets you. :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= Cry me a river mate. It's not Australia's fault that Muslim men are stabbing police officers. Sorry fuckface but yes it is Australia's fault. The kid broke up with his girlfriend and was looking for something to be a part of to fill that void in his life, unfortunately it was ISIS. From what I read he never planned to do anything in Australia, he wanted to travel overseas and fight for ISIS. His parents tried to snap him out of it. Meanwhile you have the AFP going over to his house and telling him they are watching him, what a great idea, you tell any angry 18 year old man not to do something, what happens? They fuckin do it. Then they decide to cancel his passport, what a great idea! If he wants to kill himself fighting for ISIS overseas let him. Why make him stay in Australia where authorities are squeezing him, waiting for him to slip up? Then on top of that you have the media fear mongering and the majority of spineless blind Australians (like your kind self) shitting themselves, this makes someone who is already angry and irrational even more so, and now he cant leave the country, great! I dont know what happened at the police station, you dont, the media doesnt. From what Iv seen though you have a kid whos angry, being pressured by police, media and society, all waiting for him to fuck up. If the AFP left him alone he would have fucked off overseas or gotten over it. You're absolutely right! That poor, poor innocent kid who just wanted to be a terrorist and stab police officers. We should really feel sorry for these people, because it's always Western societies fault that young Muslim men are violent! So what youre saying is when a young white male stabs a cop theres nothing wrong with it..... but when a young Muslim male stabs a cop its a indictment on all Muslims? Not at all.
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4-3-3 so what do you want the "muslim " community to do? They already come out and disowned them . They come out and said isis isn't true islam. They've come out and said social media has made it easy for extremists to seduce the kids . They've said the biggest threat they have is sheik Google . But nope that's not good enough for certain people .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:4-3-3 so what do you want the "muslim " community to do? They already come out and disowned them . They come out and said isis isn't true islam. They've come out and said social media has made it easy for extremists to seduce the kids . They've said the biggest threat they have is sheik Google . But nope that's not good enough for certain people . No, they've come out and said the government was unfairly targeting them and that the raids were racist. See: Lakemba protests.
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RedKat wrote:433 wrote:RedKat wrote:433 wrote:Felixx_17 wrote:433 wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:[size=9] notorganic wrote: They are right to say what they said. To reiterate what Muslim leaders have said: a) Violence & Murder is not Islamic (or religious at all) b) Fatwas from IS have no religious significance and should be ignored by Muslims c) We won't condemn anyone until a full investigation is complete (because we believe in what you believe in, the presumption of innocence until guilt has been proven) d) We need to bring these youths into our community so they hear this message, not further radicalised by marginalising and alienating them
[/size] 433 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Is it multiculturalism is a failure if the multiple cultures are from Asia, Middle East or Africa?
Or is multiculturalism from Anglo countries a success?
-PB When I was a kid multiculturalism from dirty greasy wog, eye-tie, dago countries like my parents were from was a failure. Then the Vietnamese and then other Asians copped it in the 70's and 80's. It seems that now it's the Africans and Moslems turn. The asians, wogs and jews integrated well into our society. Why can't Africans and Muslims do the same? Maybe if we were not alienated, marginalised, and vilified, then both groups would fit in very well like they are trying to. also http://www.mygc.com.au/news/anti-islamic-teens-threaten-to-behead-gold-coast-man-they-mistook-for-a-muslim/This is what fear mongering gets you. :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= Cry me a river mate. It's not Australia's fault that Muslim men are stabbing police officers. Sorry fuckface but yes it is Australia's fault. The kid broke up with his girlfriend and was looking for something to be a part of to fill that void in his life, unfortunately it was ISIS. From what I read he never planned to do anything in Australia, he wanted to travel overseas and fight for ISIS. His parents tried to snap him out of it. Meanwhile you have the AFP going over to his house and telling him they are watching him, what a great idea, you tell any angry 18 year old man not to do something, what happens? They fuckin do it. Then they decide to cancel his passport, what a great idea! If he wants to kill himself fighting for ISIS overseas let him. Why make him stay in Australia where authorities are squeezing him, waiting for him to slip up? Then on top of that you have the media fear mongering and the majority of spineless blind Australians (like your kind self) shitting themselves, this makes someone who is already angry and irrational even more so, and now he cant leave the country, great! I dont know what happened at the police station, you dont, the media doesnt. From what Iv seen though you have a kid whos angry, being pressured by police, media and society, all waiting for him to fuck up. If the AFP left him alone he would have fucked off overseas or gotten over it. You're absolutely right! That poor, poor innocent kid who just wanted to be a terrorist and stab police officers. We should really feel sorry for these people, because it's always Western societies fault that young Muslim men are violent! So what youre saying is when a young white male stabs a cop theres nothing wrong with it..... but when a young Muslim male stabs a cop its a indictment on all Muslims? Not at all. So then why are you making such a big fuss out of a muslim guy stabbing a cop and not when a white guy stabs a cop? The white guy isn't doing it for ideological reasons.
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So you didn't hear Ken lay and the two imans yesterday ? There has been plenty of people disowning them . But yet most people ignore it .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:So you didn't hear Ken lay and the two imans yesterday ? There has been plenty of people disowning them . But yet most people ignore it . Turned it off at "religion of peace".
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Clearly there are a fair few Muslims who want to get over to Syria to join in the fighting.
I don't see why the government doesn't come out and just say to these guys, admit you are wanting to fight in the war, renounce your citizenship and we will give you a one way ticket but you are never to return to Australia.
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Colin wrote:Clearly there are a fair few Muslims who want to get over to Syria to join in the fighting.
I don't see why the government doesn't come out and just say to these guys, admit you are wanting to fight in the war, renounce your citizenship and we will give you a one way ticket but you are never to return to Australia.
Because it makes Australia "look bad" for producing them. It's better to keep them here than to lose face, or at least that's the logic behind it.
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notorganic wrote:Everyone on this thread needs to answer EG's question: Quote:what is integration? For me, it is about embracing Australia as your new home and adding to the multicultural melting pot, as well as taking new experiences from that pot. It's about not shutting yourself off from the community or being insular in what's comfortable. It's about speaking up for your values, and listening to others speaking up for their own. pretty much how it is....isn't it?? Edited by batfink: 27/9/2014 02:41:50 PM
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u4486662 wrote:433 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Is it multiculturalism is a failure if the multiple cultures are from Asia, Middle East or Africa?
Or is multiculturalism from Anglo countries a success?
-PB When I was a kid multiculturalism from dirty greasy wog, eye-tie, dago countries like my parents were from was a failure. Then the Vietnamese and then other Asians copped it in the 70's and 80's. It seems that now it's the Africans and Moslems turn. The asians, wogs and jews integrated well into our society. Why can't Africans and Muslims do the same? I think it seems to take time. In the order of a few decades for integration and acceptance to occur. Bang on.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:u4486662 wrote:433 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Is it multiculturalism is a failure if the multiple cultures are from Asia, Middle East or Africa?
Or is multiculturalism from Anglo countries a success?
-PB When I was a kid multiculturalism from dirty greasy wog, eye-tie, dago countries like my parents were from was a failure. Then the Vietnamese and then other Asians copped it in the 70's and 80's. It seems that now it's the Africans and Moslems turn. The asians, wogs and jews integrated well into our society. Why can't Africans and Muslims do the same? I think it seems to take time. In the order of a few decades for integration and acceptance to occur. Bang on. So we just them ignore Australian laws/culture for the meanwhile?
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notorganic wrote:Everyone on this thread needs to answer EG's question: Quote:what is integration? For me, it is about embracing Australia as your new home and adding to the multicultural melting pot, as well as taking new experiences from that pot. It's about not shutting yourself off from the community or being insular in what's comfortable. It's about speaking up for your values, and listening to others speaking up for their own. =d> =d>
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:4-3-3 so what do you want the "muslim " community to do? They already come out and disowned them . They come out and said isis isn't true islam. They've come out and said social media has made it easy for extremists to seduce the kids . They've said the biggest threat they have is sheik Google . But nope that's not good enough for certain people . A few press releases doesn't solve shit. On my way to work yesterday they were advertising a christian-muslim committee at a mosque in Kuraby Brisbane and the sheikh on radio couldn't help but blame the government and the media for the problems. This is their flock they need to work better with surrounding communities to create opportunities for these marginalised (not my choice of adjective) youths.
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SlyGoat36 wrote:
Your government?
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you australian?
I probably should have put your government in inverted commas to emphasise the point i was making. He always blames the Muslims and never the government, so its a play on words to emphasise my point. In saying that, I have also said that I never voted for them so wouldn't refer to them as 'my' government. But that is a trivial point and more just a personal thing.
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zimbos_05 wrote:SlyGoat36 wrote:
Your government?
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you australian?
I probably should have put your government in inverted commas to emphasise the point i was making. He always blames the Muslims and never the government, so its a play on words to emphasise my point. Yes, how dare I blame those who were responsible for their own actions.
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Eastern Glory
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Rofl. Said two days ago that there was something fishy about that attack in Bella Vista... Twat lied :lol:
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433 wrote:RedKat wrote:433 wrote:RedKat wrote:433 wrote:Felixx_17 wrote:433 wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:[size=9] notorganic wrote: They are right to say what they said. To reiterate what Muslim leaders have said: a) Violence & Murder is not Islamic (or religious at all) b) Fatwas from IS have no religious significance and should be ignored by Muslims c) We won't condemn anyone until a full investigation is complete (because we believe in what you believe in, the presumption of innocence until guilt has been proven) d) We need to bring these youths into our community so they hear this message, not further radicalised by marginalising and alienating them
[/size] 433 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Is it multiculturalism is a failure if the multiple cultures are from Asia, Middle East or Africa?
Or is multiculturalism from Anglo countries a success?
-PB When I was a kid multiculturalism from dirty greasy wog, eye-tie, dago countries like my parents were from was a failure. Then the Vietnamese and then other Asians copped it in the 70's and 80's. It seems that now it's the Africans and Moslems turn. The asians, wogs and jews integrated well into our society. Why can't Africans and Muslims do the same? Maybe if we were not alienated, marginalised, and vilified, then both groups would fit in very well like they are trying to. also http://www.mygc.com.au/news/anti-islamic-teens-threaten-to-behead-gold-coast-man-they-mistook-for-a-muslim/This is what fear mongering gets you. :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= Cry me a river mate. It's not Australia's fault that Muslim men are stabbing police officers. Sorry fuckface but yes it is Australia's fault. The kid broke up with his girlfriend and was looking for something to be a part of to fill that void in his life, unfortunately it was ISIS. From what I read he never planned to do anything in Australia, he wanted to travel overseas and fight for ISIS. His parents tried to snap him out of it. Meanwhile you have the AFP going over to his house and telling him they are watching him, what a great idea, you tell any angry 18 year old man not to do something, what happens? They fuckin do it. Then they decide to cancel his passport, what a great idea! If he wants to kill himself fighting for ISIS overseas let him. Why make him stay in Australia where authorities are squeezing him, waiting for him to slip up? Then on top of that you have the media fear mongering and the majority of spineless blind Australians (like your kind self) shitting themselves, this makes someone who is already angry and irrational even more so, and now he cant leave the country, great! I dont know what happened at the police station, you dont, the media doesnt. From what Iv seen though you have a kid whos angry, being pressured by police, media and society, all waiting for him to fuck up. If the AFP left him alone he would have fucked off overseas or gotten over it. You're absolutely right! That poor, poor innocent kid who just wanted to be a terrorist and stab police officers. We should really feel sorry for these people, because it's always Western societies fault that young Muslim men are violent! So what youre saying is when a young white male stabs a cop theres nothing wrong with it..... but when a young Muslim male stabs a cop its a indictment on all Muslims? Not at all. So then why are you making such a big fuss out of a muslim guy stabbing a cop and not when a white guy stabs a cop? The white guy isn't doing it for ideological reasons. Exactly. The context here is important. He went to the police station with the intent to murder/behead a police officer for purely ideological reasons because he was a wannabe islamic terrorist. This was more than just an attack on police. Having said that, anyone who attacks a police officer regardless of the reason is a scumbag.
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433 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:u4486662 wrote:433 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Is it multiculturalism is a failure if the multiple cultures are from Asia, Middle East or Africa?
Or is multiculturalism from Anglo countries a success?
-PB When I was a kid multiculturalism from dirty greasy wog, eye-tie, dago countries like my parents were from was a failure. Then the Vietnamese and then other Asians copped it in the 70's and 80's. It seems that now it's the Africans and Moslems turn. The asians, wogs and jews integrated well into our society. Why can't Africans and Muslims do the same? I think it seems to take time. In the order of a few decades for integration and acceptance to occur. Bang on. So we just them ignore Australian laws/culture for the meanwhile? Where did I say that? My argument was against your contention that multiculturalism was a failure.
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