The guy at the beginning is not a bigot, he has a Thai wife :lol:

Just because there were more objections than support doesn't mean anything either. I think I read a survey said that suggested that the majority of the population were indifferent to it.

I don't think that having a Thai wife necessarily immunises against bigotry :lol:

Let me be clear, all Religions, but especially that which expect the whole world should be believers, or else. People can have their own ideas about whatever and are free to do so, that's fine, don't force it on me.

I just don't see how the building of a mosque threatens you or your families freedom. It's not like you're being forced to convert to Islam. I might be wrong but I cannot recall anyone's freedom or quality of life being threatened by the building of a mosque.

The building of a mosque impinges on your freedom and quality of life no more than the building of a catholic or orthodox church does, but for some reason I don't think you'd be on here complaining about a church being built nearby.

Mate, not even going to start this.

Noone is forcing their beliefs on anyone .

I tell you, the 200-odd muslims out there protesting literally hours after the raids have occurred aren't exactly helping. By protesting they are essentially declaring their support toward those targeted and arrested. All it does is foster the already-present dichotomy between Muslims and the rest of the country.

Presuming they are all innocent until proven guilty, why wouldn't they support those arrested... especially considering that most have now been released without charge?

It appears, quite literally, that they were targeted for nothing other than the fact that they are Muslims.

Courier Mail front page today was pretty gold.



-PB

So do you know in bold is the facts ?!

No, that's why I said "it appears"

https://theconversation.com/islamic-state-wants-australians-to-attack-muslims-terror-expert-31845

Well "it appears" does cover your quote but I doubt very much the AFP/ASIO etc would go to all the trouble with some 800 authorities involved targetted these people just on the base's being Muslim.

Your article above has alot of merit - do you not think local police everywhere in Australia where neccessary have made sure to involve themselves around these communities for years encouraging relationships amongst each other knowing there is always the small % who screw it up for the good people no matter what colour/religion......

Wouldn't be the first time for ASIO with certain nationalities/ethnic groups.

No problem to many citizens I'm sure on that count, better uncover suspect rocks than not at all - IF they are innocent obviously freed, sure they are not happy having gone through the rigger but better sure than not, obviously there is reason to check.
No system is perfect there will always be errors and always exposed by those undesirables as well but I'm sure most citizens like me are satisfied our secruity people are being pro active than not.

Yeah I'm sure that's what these people are thinking as their doors are kicked in at 4am "Yeah nah it's alright better to be safe than sorry"

My dad still has problems when going for job interviews when they find out he was on an ASIO watchlist for years simply because he was part of a Croatian youth group.

Yes your right - AFP/ASIO should call and make an appointment - its the polite thing to do.

I'm sorry for your Dad, at times the sytem sucks - in my youth I hung around with the local wrong people for a short period of time, learnt my lesson very quick keep right away for the mud sticks.......

Apparently, the attacks were imminent(within a few days).

Such as?

Good question tell us ?
I'll tell you, you or I won't know the real facts but I won't waste the time of our people questioning their actions.

It amazes me that you could come to such a conclusion so readily. My original point was based on the premise that nobody, other than ASIO/Police and those arrested, knows exactly why the raids were conducted. I can't help but feel people that share your opinion carry their own agenda based on universal condemnation of the current federal government.

Christian Lebanese by culture. Means nothing really.

The RBB?

correct....i was tipped off on Thursday last week to be cautious and stay away from large crowds, one tip was the Sydney marathon was going to be targeted for a mass shooting by one of these nut jobs, along with the army barracks located throughout sydney

Pretty sure that Kaanan's family was deeply religious and he went to a christian school, and continued to be religious, and I'm pretty sure that Danny Karam, fought in the Lebanese Civil war, on the Christian side. Either way that's not the point of the post.

Edited by iridium1010: 19/9/2014 03:46:17 PM

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

They just wouldn't raid a bunch of random Muslims, I feel a bit safer knowing the cops aren't as spineless as some of the hipster flogs here.

Pro-active policing is necessary whether we like it or not. That's a the reality.

with you there sly baby.....;)

It has been interesting sitting back, reading this thread.




On to the topic. I for one do not support any extreme action from any religion. If those arrested can be proven guilty without doubt that they were in fact plotting a terrorist attack, then lock them away, and punish them.

Shariah Law has no place in Australia. It's quite simple. This is the Islamic view on the matter. If any Muslim is trying to implement Shariah Law in Australia, then they are already breaking the rules of Shariah Law, and can quite frankly leave.

Stop calling these people Jihadists. For the millionth time, Jihad does not mean holy war, it means struggle. And not a struggle like a battle, but a struggle like, 'I struggle to wake up in the morning'.

IS, and ISIS do not have any basis in Islam. They do not represent Islam because THEY ARE NOT ISLAM. Muslim leaders and communities have spoken out against them. We do not support them. We have questions about them that probably should be raised on a wider level, but on the whole we do not support them or recognise them. Once again, they are not Islam.

Anybody living in a free and democratic society yet harbours ill feeling towards their government, and plots terrorist attacks, regardless of their religion, deserves to be locked and punished.

I know some of the people who were arrested in Brisbane personally. I have visited that book shop. It was a non for profit bookshop. I will not lie, I did have my concerns about some of the potential paths it could have taken, but fortunately did not see it go down that path. Arrests such as these, particularly if there is a false or evidence lacking base, only serve to alienate and divide the wider Australian community.

The new terror laws that are to be voted on, I have dealt with them personally before I left. I can guarantee you that most of it was aimed towards the Muslim community. I had police commissioners and police officers confirm this to me in person. There is a real concern among them regarding IS and ISIS and the potential threats in Australia. Their stance is to go hardcore before something happens. They have plans to CCTV mosques, 'plant' people within mosques who will serve as information gatherers. These were all plans laid out to myself and other members of the community who met with the QPS.

Once again, I do not support any terrorist act of any person regardless of their religion. If you have hate towards to the Australian government, and that hate is of a terrorist nature, then leave the country. You have been welcomed here with open arms, and given the opportunity to practice your religion in freedom, you have no base within Australia for vilification and hatred.

The issues on a wider scale, yes i sympathise too. In relation to issues such as Palestine, and Syria, yes I feel the western nations are statuesque in these matters. They do not even bother or in fact continue to support the wrong side, and wrong course of action. It is frustrating and sickening, but it is not reason to act against your religion and behave in a manner that is never justified within what you claim to be practicing.

Once again, I leave this here: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/jihadist-radicalisation-islam-for-dummies_b_5697160.html

Edited by zimbos_05: 19/9/2014 07:25:58 PM

And yet, they say they are.

How come your type of Islam is better than their type Islam? How come your Islam is right and theirs is wrong?

What makes you, or others, the gatekeepers of what is and wasn't isn't "true" Islam?

Why is your imaginary friend better than their imaginary friends?

You and them are all Islamists. You're just a different flavour of Islam.

I bet if you came face to face with one of these ISIS cockheads he'd accuse you of being a soft cock and not fervent enough, not devout enough and for all intents and purposes not a real Muslim.

In the last 600 years the Moslem world has added just about nothing to advance civilisation.

If the mad middle Eastern types had no fucking oil the whole area would be a backward, stone hut living, eking out an existence, desert dwelling bunch of medieval animals. A skidmark on the underpants of civilisation.

The sooner religion is banned the better. And that goes for Christianity as well.