Arthur
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What appears to have been Mulvey's failure and Brisbane Roar's requirements of Mulvey was to have a Club driven Football Philosophy and Vision. Not Mulvey's Football Philosophy and Vision.
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Decentric
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localstar wrote:Coaches aspiring to coach top clubs surely accept the possibility of dismissal as part of the risks involved in the job. That is the nature of club football. The average reign of an EPL manager is only about one and half years now, apparently. Given the financial rewards, it is surely a risk worth taking. And I wouldn't worry too much about Joe Mullen... I would've thought Joe would be finding life quiet in the NPL, with lower status and less income. Regarding your point about ambitious coaches, willing to risk security of tenure. I shouldn't know this, but I do. A number of FFA coaches are desperately trying to get big money, but possibly short term contracts, in Asia. Edited by Decentric: 25/11/2014 11:37:41 PM
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localstar
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Coaches aspiring to coach top clubs surely accept the possibility of dismissal as part of the risks involved in the job. That is the nature of club football. The average reign of an EPL manager is only about one and half years now, apparently. Given the financial rewards, it is surely a risk worth taking. And I wouldn't worry too much about Joe Mullen...
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Decentric
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localstar wrote:A club coach's tenure need not necessarily be short lived- some have been around for a long time- look at Ernie Merrick. And as for security of tenure, they do have contracts- Coolen was able to sue Adelaide United when he was sacked. To suggest that coaches would be better off staying with a state league club is absurd...there will always be candidates ready to have a go with an A League club, because it is the highest stage here, and it is well paid...
Edited by localstar: 25/11/2014 05:32:53 PM For every Ernie, and he was out of a job for a while, there are many Aussie discards - Theodorokopoulos, Culina, Durakovic, Smith, Aloisi, David Mitchell, Kossie, Crooke, Vidosic, Frank Farina, GVE - who have I missed? I know a few of these are now assistant coaches, but a number of them may like the idea of a day job and and NPL gig. I was talking to Joe Mullen at a game in Hobart after his team lost. I was surprised to see him coaching in the NPL after being a HAL Youth coach.
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Decentric
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biscuitman1871 wrote:Decentric wrote:Arthur wrote:I would be asking is Ron Smith the problem?
Second time I know of that as an assistant his senior coach has been sacked. Thought Ron, who has posted in this section of the forum under his name, was the former senior coach at Glory? Where was he an assistant in the HAL, Arthur? 32 games for 5 wins as head coach at Glory (including 18 game winless streak before he was finally sacked) I knew Ron was at Glory for a longer period than the others were. I wasn't aware his win/loss ratio was so bad though.
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localstar
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A club coach's tenure need not necessarily be short lived- some have been around for a long time- look at Ernie Merrick. And as for security of tenure, they do have contracts- Coolen was able to sue Adelaide United when he was sacked. To suggest that coaches would be better off staying with a state league club is absurd...there will always be candidates ready to have a go with an A League club, because it is the highest stage here, and it is well paid...
Edited by localstar: 25/11/2014 05:32:53 PM
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Decentric wrote:Arthur wrote:I would be asking is Ron Smith the problem?
Second time I know of that as an assistant his senior coach has been sacked. Thought Ron, who has posted in this section of the forum under his name, was the former senior coach at Glory? Where was he an assistant in the HAL, Arthur? 32 games for 5 wins as head coach at Glory (including 18 game winless streak before he was finally sacked)
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Arthur wrote:I would be asking is Ron Smith the problem?
Second time I know of that as an assistant his senior coach has been sacked. I'd say Stead was more of a problem.
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Arthur
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Decentric wrote:Arthur wrote:I would be asking is Ron Smith the problem?
Second time I know of that as an assistant his senior coach has been sacked. Thought Ron, who has posted in this section of the forum under his name, was the former senior coach at Glory? Where was he an assistant in the HAL, Arthur? He is a bit of a Jonah.
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Decentric
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Arthur wrote:I would be asking is Ron Smith the problem?
Second time I know of that as an assistant his senior coach has been sacked. Thought Ron, who has posted in this section of the forum under his name, was the former senior coach at Glory? Where was he an assistant in the HAL, Arthur?
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Benjamin wrote:The sacking of Mulvey is the perfect message to aspiring coaches.
I wonder if it applies to players too? In another thread, you said that some senior NPL players have knocked back HAL short term contracts. For coaches and players, who have another day job, it makes sense that you would not risk giving up a career/job at NPL level, to risk all in tenuous pro coaching. Regardless of whatever Mulvey said to the board, because he won a title, I'm just gobsmacked that a coach can be sacked so quickly after winning a title. Most accredited Advanced Coaches aspire to be pro coaches, including NPL senior coaches who I've trained with. Another operating in a different state, who is a top development coach in the country, sagely suggests it is far safer better long term to be involved in development, because it is more difficult to determine success/failure. He has a had a steady job for the last 8 years. To take a pro coaching job, one risks so much. So go from HAL youth coaches, like Aloisi, Ron Smith, Durakovic, and Mulvey, to senior HAL coaches, then out the door within a millisecond, perplexes me.
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Benjamin
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The sacking of Mulvey is the perfect message to aspiring coaches.
If you are hired to do a job - do THAT job. Roar wanted to continue the Ange P model, they wanted to build a brand around possession based, high tempo, attacking football. Mulvey came in and slowly changed the side to a more workmanlike style, then completely failed to replace a key player he knew was leaving... There's reports that he was arrogant about it to - and I've heard that when the boys upstairs tried to put pressure on him he had the attitude of "I've just won the title, what are you going to do?" The second you do that you're a dead man walking. As soon as you slip, they will make sure you fall.
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Arthur
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I would be asking is Ron Smith the problem?
Second time I know of that as an assistant his senior coach has been sacked.
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Decentric
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I was astonished at Mike Mulvey's sacking.
Roar - HAL champs at the end of last season. MM sacked after 6 games.
WSW - Asian champs. Popa winless after 6 HAL games. Still there, which seems like a good decision not to sack him.
In the lower echelons of rep coaching, one thinks the technical and tactical side of coaching, with well-prepared training ground sessions , is as far as it goes.
Ange P, or somebody else, claimed that outside win/loss ratios there are four parties that a coach must keep onside. Moreover, that to alienate any one of them can lead to a sacking. The four groups a coach should keep onside are:
1. Media - apart from the TV former pro footballer pundits, most of the Aussie media knows nothing about coaching pro football.
2. The board - usually also know little about coaching pro football.
3. Fans - usually most of them know little about coaching pro football.
4. Players- many of them know a fair bit about coaching football, particularly senior ones who've had some good coaches.
To keep this lot happy, most of the time, as well as having a favourable win/loss record, is virtually impossible.
To want to be a pro coach, can lead to a very unsatisfactory career. A coach can be sacked at a moment's notice. No security of tenure unless one gets into elite development youth coaching or staff coaching.
Probably the best option might be NPL level, where most have day jobs. This can also lead to a very busy life though.
Edited by Decentric: 25/11/2014 12:30:33 PM
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