http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4135968.htm

Will be interesting to read remarks from the usual suspects seeing it's actually the respected Chief of Army articulating these viewpoints.

I suspect a few will blow a gasket given that they violently disagree with what Mr Morrison has to say and yet because he's the head of the army his views command a certain gravitas and a degree of respect.




Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 30/11/2014 01:30:49 AM

Until there are white ribbons on faded blue singlets there will always be violence against women in this country.

Once the army decided to become a workplace/learning institution for both men and women it is incumbent on the brass to ensure it is a safe place.

Agree . Sadly this issue isn't a new issue . Just more publicly known now compared to the old days of its a domestic and it's their business

Violence is violence. Gender is irrelevant.

Most domestic abuse is mutually abusive and genderless. Statistics are clear on this, and white ribbon day is just another institutionalisesld infantalisation of women.

/usual suspect

:lol: you two :lol: play nice now

Well ofc he'd be speaking for it, Army is full of dodgy fellas doing shit to women.

-PB

Right on cue.

Knew I could count on you. (And first cab off the rank too.)

One down, 4 or 5 to go.

Another fine and considered manrub rebuttal ;)

You seem obsessed with homosexual gibes at me. "Manrub" was first coined by Crackers and he seems overly concerned with arse sex also given his penchant for insults revolving around said gibes.

As I said before Notor, I'm flattered but I'm not interested.

I can only imagine that your obvious deep seated hatred of women stems from an inability to pull a root when you were a younger man.

Struggle talking to the ladies did we?

Can't stand them "uppity bitches" perhaps? Need to see those "feminazis" knocked down a peg or two?

I see over on the Victorian election thread you're whinging about some positive discrimination towards women. Over on the WGMG thread you're whinging about feminists co-opting the Hughes thing.

In fact it doesn't seem to matter what the subject is, there you are whinging about what some sheila had to say about something and how it's all a giant conspiracy to disempower you, the poor white caucasian boy, without any advantages, who seems to be afraid of women and, god forbid, any sort of advantage they may get to balance the scales out a bit.

Small man syndrome?

Have a great night. I'm out.

:lol: man rubs angry.

Some extra viewing on intimate partner violence:
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[youtube]jnUwxxijr3g[/youtube]

He's like a perpetual projection machine :lol:

Not sure if snark. If serious:

- 73pc of domestic violence homicide victims are women.

- Men are more likely to be victims of violence generally, however violence and abuse against women and children in homes is a huge problem - as many as 1 in 3 women suffer from it in their lifetime.

- 80pc of incidents of domestic violence against women goes unreported, hence the need for awareness raising things like white ribbon day.

http://www.bethehero.com.au/index.php?id=9



Edited by lastbroadcast: 30/11/2014 06:36:44 AM

I take Domestic Violence very seriously.

I also always try reading and quoting actual research rather than cherry picked ideological data from organisations seeking to shame men and absolve women of personal responsibility.

http://www.bps.org.uk/news/women-more-aggressive-partners-men


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html


http://www.researchgate.net/publication/226871004_The_two_facets_of_female_violence_The_public_and_the_domestic_domains


Want to talk about who's physically abusing children most often in households, too? (hint: it doesn't fit your narrative)

As Notor said, we should be stamping out violence in the community full stop.



Am I one of this 5?

I think its important to note that one woman dies every week in Australia as the result of violence at the hands of a current or former partner.

The research that Notor has put forward is interesting in showing women being involved in violence against their male partners but its still important to note the above statement.

I would be interested to know the figures on the number of men who are killed by a current or former partner. Probably not many.

I do love that the op of this thread is the same member who told people to fuck off for thinking they were the morality police in the Phil Hughes thread

I keep seeing this stat and I just can't take it seriously.

Although this stat is compelling to hear, it's a stat that is completely meaningless without context.

And the number of men is one every 10 days.

Are they killed by women or men? Genuinely interested to know.

By current or former partners, I don't recall either statistic drilling down into genders.

I do remember reading something that ranked different sexuality by instances of IPV.

Homosexual male was lowest instances of IPV, Homosexual female was highest, heterosexual mixed was in the middle.

I know what you are saying but it would be interesting to compare the number of women who killed men and the number of men who killed women.

Would also be interesting to see how many of those killings were a) claimed to be in self defence and b) actually in self defence.

There have been some absolutely amazing cases of women premeditating the murder of their partners and getting off with the "battered wife syndrome" defence in the US and Canada.

Just as a conversation piece, and demonstration in the way that statistics are used to emotionally manipulate people - should there be a day (and a ribbon colour) to remind mothers to not abuse, neglect and/or kill their children?

In Western Australia alone in 07/08...

-8 children per week were abused by their mothers

-Mothers were more than 17 times more likely than fathers to neglect their children

-Mothers were responsible for more than 94% of child neglect cases

So glad that Notor knows more about this subject than many of the experts in Australia.

More evidence of his deep hatred of women with his bookmarked statistics and graphs populating his folder marked "bitches that deserve it".

http://www.domesticviolence.com.au/pages/domestic-violence-statistics.php

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE STATISTICS

The vast majority of dangerous, abusive and violent behavior that occurs in the privacy of people's homes is committed by men against women. The most recent information on violence in Australia comes from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, Personal Safety Survey (national survey of 16,400 adults in Australian aged 18 years and over) conducted in 2005. The first issue of this survey was conducted in 1996. The 2005 survey found:

Just under half a million Australian women reported that they had experienced physical or sexual violence or sexual assault in the past 12 months.
More than a million women had experienced physical or sexual assault by their male current or ex-partner since the age of 15 (some women may be counted twice if they experienced both physical and sexual assault).

37.8% of women who experienced physical assault in the 12 months before the survey said the perpetrator was a current or previous male partner and

34.4% said the perpetrator was a male family member or friend. Most incidences of physical assault against women in the 12 months prior to 2005 were committed in a home (64.1%).

33.3% of women had experienced physical violence since the age of 15.

19.1% of women had experienced sexual violence since the age of 15.

12.4% of women had been sexually abused before the age of 15, compared with 4.5% of men, between 1996 and 2005. There was an increase in the reporting of sexual assault to police from 14.9% to 18.9% between 1996 and 2005 and there was an increase in the reporting of physical violence to police from 18.5% to 36%.

64% of women who experienced physical assault and 81.1% of women who experienced sexual assault still did not report it to police. The proportion of women aged between 18 and 34 who reported experiencing physical violence has decreased but the proportion of women who reported experiencing physical violence after 45 increased over the same period. The percentage of women who reported that their children had witnessed partner-related violence either from a current or ex-partner was lower than in 1996.

The majority of violence against men is committed by other men. Of men who reported that they had experienced physical violence in the 12 months before the survey, 73.7% said that the perpetrator was a male.

or

http://www.whiteribbon.org.au/uploads/media/updated_factsheets_Nov_13/Factsheet_5_Facts_and_figures.pdf

I like that graph too. You love context. Does that graph (US based mind you) take into account the fact women are far more likely to be home with their children?



Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 1/12/2014 10:38:10 AM

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/6/6/0/%7B66025eb4-dc26-4b37-803b-bcc1ea184951%7Dti53.pdf

Relationship between Victim and Offender

Most research indicates that the greatest risk of homicide to children is from members of their own family, primarily a parent, and that stranger killings are relatively rare (Crittenden & Craig 1990, Sommander & Rammer 1991). The data available over the period 1989-1993 support this view (see Table 3).

[size=7]There is no mistaking the gross over-representation of fathers as offenders in this period[/size]. When the offender was a parent, the offender victim relationship was as follows:

· for 46 victims, fathers were the sole offenders;
· for 11 victims, de facto fathers were the sole offenders (all but one in abuse-type killings);
· for 22 victims, mothers were the sole offenders;
· for seven victims, mothers and fathers or de facto fathers were jointly charged.

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There's more of course but I doubt that you'd be interested seeing it doesn't fit your narrative.

Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 1/12/2014 10:44:36 AM

*One woman is killed every week in Australia by her partner or ex-partner.

*The most dangerous time for a woman victimised by a situation of family or intimate partner violence is the period immediately after leaving. This is when her risk of homicide is at its greatest.

* The Australian Institute of Criminology indicates that 36% of all homicides occur in a domestic setting.

* Of those homicides, 73% involve a woman being killed by her male partner.

* 35% of women experience violence from their partners during periods of separation.

* 78% of people in Australia who are homeless due to domestic violence are women.

* One woman is hospitalised every three hours in this country.

Violence against women and children in this country is in a state of national emergency, and yet it receives scant attention. I applaud the efforts of state governments to combat the effects of ‘coward punches’ on our young men, but I question why the perilous state of women’s safety is so routinely ignored and downplayed. Street violence has claimed the lives of young men, but at approximately 1/7th the rate of that of domestic homicides.

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/take-action/its-not-enough-to-ask-abuse-victims-to-leave-20140422-371yq.html

http://www.thecitizen.org.au/features/what-about-men-lies-statistics-and-peddling-myths-about-violence-against-women

You'll like this article.

She recounts some of her research that showed that when men talked about women’s violence against men, some cited abuse as not having a hot meal on the table, not having the children bathed before bed, or women spending money on gambling or shopping. At the more severe end of the spectrum, they nominated verbal and emotional violence as abuse. Then, a tiny minority documented physical abuse, and an even smaller minority named sexual abuse.

“Women were talking about being run over, being drugged and raped at knifepoint, having their children dangled over high rise balconies till they did as they were told and of course you get verbal and emotional violence,” says McInnes. “When we were talking about physical violence against men, one of the worst examples was that she banged his head with the cupboard door – which isn’t good – but the sheer level of fear, harm and terror that women talked about was simply not present in what the men’s data showed.”

- See more at: http://www.thecitizen.org.au/features/what-about-men-lies-statistics-and-peddling-myths-about-violence-against-women#sthash.ZT7AOPa9.dpuf

Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 1/12/2014 10:55:23 AM

Manrub really seems to hate men :lol:

More projection maybe.

Not at all. I'm just not ideologically blinded like you.

The first step towards solving a problem is recognising there's a problem.

If you think it's all tickety boo out there it's you that are deluded not me.

"I'm not ideologically blinded, so here's a bunch of stats from feminist resources that you've already debunked with your actual studies"

Turn it up mate.

More recent homicide stats.

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/mr/21/mr21.pdf

Sometimes I wonder what it takes to lead men to think so little of women that they fall over themselves backwards to infantalise women at every step and paint them as victims in all circumstances, even in the face of statistics that show women are equal partners in intimate partner violence and leading the way when it comes to the abuse of children (explained away by the amazing revelation that women are around children more often, so that makes the abuse more understandable!)

People really need to wake up from the third wave kool-aid and start treating women like equal human beings.

*le black fedora*

Sorry to disrupt the hugbox with statistics and respectful disagreement, KA.

INB4 this thread gets locked too.

Football is apolitical... Unless you disagree with gender ideologues.

(also inb4 ban)



Edited by Notorganic: 3/12/2014 08:29:20 PM

Your statistics are woefully misogynistic and deliberately selective or else pitifully naive - just one example, mothers "17 times more likely to neglect their children" will largely be because the father is absent and the mother has been left literally holding the baby. Or putting the baby down and being charged for that...

The straight white man's lot in this world is a very privileged one. Any attempt to pretend otherwise is laughable, misogynistic and appalling. Take it elsewhere. I don't want this to forum to be seen as any kind of safe haven for MRA saddoes.

You are the gender equality equivalent of climate change deniers. I'm not going to give you oxygen.

So...Locked.


Edited by Kevin Airs: 3/12/2014 09:03:29 PM

Statistics can't be political, they are statistics. Calling them misogynistic is your own projection.

I'm sorry that you don't think all people in society should have equal rights.

I unlocked the thread to leave this statement immortalised for eternity. It says everything anyone needs to know about you these days, it seems...

Edited by Kevin Airs: 3/12/2014 09:09:30 PM