The FFA's recent NCIP hypocrisy


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Gallop on todays youth development shake out

“We feel that this is the right time to make a change as we seek to unite Australia’s football community and stimulate discussion about innovative ways to build upon the foundations that exist from grassroots to professional clubs across the nation,” 


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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sydneyfc1987 - 26 Jul 2018 5:34 PM
Somebody should seriously challenge the FFA under the 18C racial discrimination act.

Not under 18c, just the Act in general.

Would love to see Steve explain why the Italian flag must be covered up but on the same night his club runs around with the star of david on its shirt
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FFA policy questioned after Avondale forced to cover up Italian flag in FFA Cup

Australia's governing football body has copped plenty of criticism for its recent implementation of the NCIP Victorian side Avondale FC continued their FFA Cup fairytale on Wednesday by beating Marconi Stallions 4-1, but their night wasn't without drama after they were forced to cover up an Italian flag on the back of their jerseys.The flag was an apparent breach of the National Club Identity Policy (NCIP) introduced by Football Federation Australia in 2014 as a way to make football inclusive and accessible to all Australians.In practice, the policy's aim is to ensure club names, logos and emblems do not carry any ethnic, national, political, racial or religious connotations.

As result of the NCIP, Avondale were forced to put duct tape over the Italian flag that dons the back of their jersey against Marconi - a club itself with strong Italian roots.Such stringent implementation of the policy has attracted anger from many who believe the FFA took it too far.

At the time of the NCIP's creation four years ago, FFA CEO Davip Gallop suggested the policy was about ensuring football could unite people. “Football is now a part of the mainstream of Australian society and has achieved that status while also retaining its rich diversity,” Gallop said.“The intent of the National Club Identity Policy is to ensure the game remains inclusive and accessible, not just in the way we organise ourselves, but in how we engage with the community.“The very name and logo of a club sends a message about what that club stands for. We want clubs that stand for uniting people through the joy of football."Avondale was founded in 1984 by Italian immigrants and was originally known as Keilor I.C.K.A.After a name change in 2000, the club began to rise through the ranks in 2009 and earned a spot in the top division of the National Premier League Victoria for the first time in 2015.They are now through to the FFA Cup round of 16 after seeing off Marconi 4-1 on Wednesday night with Kane Sheppard, Joey Katebian, Liam Boland and Evan Christodoulou all getting on the score sheet. 

http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/ffa-policy-questioned-after-avondale-forced-to-cover-up/3hykqtyqwo4h1tqwfbp8trqbo



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Good thing that Gwelup Croatia got knocked out yesterday.
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PricklePear - 26 Jul 2018 8:48 PM
Sorry if posted already

So you should be

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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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How embarrassing.


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Football fans have united alright... against the FFA.
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There was also Gwelup Croatia SC that played that night. It's simply amazing what some clubs can get away with.
This rule needs to be scrapped. 
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robstazzz - 27 Jul 2018 8:46 AM
There was also Gwelup Croatia SC that played that night. It's simply amazing what some clubs can get away with.
This rule needs to be scrapped. 

They didnt 'get away' with anything. 

They were called Gwelup Croatia prior to the introduction of the NCIP. The NCIP was not retrospective so the FFA could not force them to change their name - although they did try to when Gwelup last almost made it to the round of 32 a year or two ago. 
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SydneyCroatia - 27 Jul 2018 10:04 AM
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They didnt 'get away' with anything. 

They were called Gwelup Croatia prior to the introduction of the NCIP. The NCIP was not retrospective so the FFA could not force them to change their name - although they did try to when Gwelup last almost made it to the round of 32 a year or two ago. 

Fair enough. So did Sydney United decide to change their name themselves many years back in the NSL or were they forced to do so back in Soccer Australia days?
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Next he'll  start supporting P&R 




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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robstazzz - 27 Jul 2018 10:31 AM
SydneyCroatia - 27 Jul 2018 10:04 AM

Fair enough. So did Sydney United decide to change their name themselves many years back in the NSL or were they forced to do so back in Soccer Australia days?

Forced by Soccer Australia, from Sydney Croatia to Sydney United. same as Melbourne Knights etc.

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robstazzz - 27 Jul 2018 10:31 AM
SydneyCroatia - 27 Jul 2018 10:04 AM

Fair enough. So did Sydney United decide to change their name themselves many years back in the NSL or were they forced to do so back in Soccer Australia days?

Forced. 

Difference is Gwelup, until fairly recently, were in the depths of the WA State Leagues. I doubt SA/FFA ever expected them to be playing on the national stage, otherwise I'm sure they would've turned their attention towards them a long time ago :lol: 
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SydneyCroatia - 27 Jul 2018 11:11 AM
robstazzz - 27 Jul 2018 10:31 AM

Forced. 

Difference is Gwelup, until fairly recently, were in the depths of the WA State Leagues. I doubt SA/FFA ever expected them to be playing on the national stage, otherwise I'm sure they would've turned their attention towards them a long time ago :lol: 

Haha yeah true that, worked out for them that they flew under the radar.


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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/27/ridiculous-policy-calls-for-end-of-ffa-cup-flag-ban-rule?CMP=twt_a-sport_b-gdnausport_c-au_g-3

Ridiculous policy': calls for end of FFA Cup flag ban rule

Football Federation Victoria will petition for the removal of a “ridiculous” policy that forced a team to conceal an Italian flag emblem on their jersey during an FFA Cup match on Wednesday night.

A piece of tape can be seen on Liam Boland’s Avondale shirt

Avondale FC, a Melbourne-based club founded by Italian immigrants, defeated Marconi 4-1 in their round of 32 clash but were informed the week prior they were in breach of the National Club Identity Policy, which prohibits any “ethnic, national, political, racial or religious” identifiers.

Club committee member Anthony Nuzzaco said despite having their FFA Cup playing strip initially approved by Football Federation Australia, Avondale were instructed to hide a small strip of colours from the Italian flag that sat on the back of the team’s jerseys.

FFV chief executive Peter Filopoulos said nobody would have noticed it had it not been covered up and called for the NCIP to be scrapped altogether.

“In an age where everybody speaks about diversity and inclusion, where other sports that don’t have the multicultural immersion that we do are [trying] to get into multicultural communities... I just don’t think the NCIP has any place in our sport,” Filopoulos told AAP.

“There was a time when national club identities did cause issues in soccer, you can’t deny that. But I think now we have matured and developed as a nation ... we don’t have to worry about that stuff anymore. There’s a great narrative we can build around our multiculturalism. Rather than suppressing it, let’s celebrate it and use it to our advantage.”

Filopoulos said he would put the NCIP on the agenda next Friday at a meeting of state federation CEOs.

The NCIP, its intentions and the lack of consistency with which it is enforced has been a source of frustration and anger in Australian football since its introduction in 2014.

Marconi, another club with Italian roots, were wearing green shirts, white shorts and red socks against Avondale in a clear tribute to the country’s flag. The same colours also feature on Avondale’s logo but they did not have to alter it because it pre-dates the NCIP.

“We don’t even discuss, as a committee, being Italian,” Nuzzaco told AAP. “It doesn’t make sense that just because you’ve got an Italian, Greek or Maltese heritage that you can’t be proud of that. It doesn’t mean you’re not open and welcoming to all different nationalities that come to your club.”

FFA has been contacted for comment




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 27 Jul 2018 3:09 PM

Ridiculous policy': calls for end of FFA Cup flag ban rule

Football Federation Victoria will petition for the removal of a “ridiculous” policy that forced a team to conceal an Italian flag emblem on their jersey during an FFA Cup match on Wednesday night.

A piece of tape can be seen on Liam Boland’s Avondale shirt

Avondale FC, a Melbourne-based club founded by Italian immigrants, defeated Marconi 4-1 in their round of 32 clash but were informed the week prior they were in breach of the National Club Identity Policy, which prohibits any “ethnic, national, political, racial or religious” identifiers.

Club committee member Anthony Nuzzaco said despite having their FFA Cup playing strip initially approved by Football Federation Australia, Avondale were instructed to hide a small strip of colours from the Italian flag that sat on the back of the team’s jerseys.

FFV chief executive Peter Filopoulos said nobody would have noticed it had it not been covered up and called for the NCIP to be scrapped altogether.

“In an age where everybody speaks about diversity and inclusion, where other sports that don’t have the multicultural immersion that we do are [trying] to get into multicultural communities... I just don’t think the NCIP has any place in our sport,” Filopoulos told AAP.

“There was a time when national club identities did cause issues in soccer, you can’t deny that. But I think now we have matured and developed as a nation ... we don’t have to worry about that stuff anymore. There’s a great narrative we can build around our multiculturalism. Rather than suppressing it, let’s celebrate it and use it to our advantage.”

Filopoulos said he would put the NCIP on the agenda next Friday at a meeting of state federation CEOs.

The NCIP, its intentions and the lack of consistency with which it is enforced has been a source of frustration and anger in Australian football since its introduction in 2014.

Marconi, another club with Italian roots, were wearing green shirts, white shorts and red socks against Avondale in a clear tribute to the country’s flag. The same colours also feature on Avondale’s logo but they did not have to alter it because it pre-dates the NCIP.

“We don’t even discuss, as a committee, being Italian,” Nuzzaco told AAP. “It doesn’t make sense that just because you’ve got an Italian, Greek or Maltese heritage that you can’t be proud of that. It doesn’t mean you’re not open and welcoming to all different nationalities that come to your club.”

FFA has been contacted for comment



Good to see it getting more attention
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The 3 remaining employees at FFA are getting alot of work thrown at them

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PricklePear - 27 Jul 2018 3:54 PM
The 3 remaining employees at FFA are getting alot of work thrown at them

Don't forget the TeaLady

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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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you big fecker


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As I've always maintained.  

Disgraceful racism & bigotry implemented as official football club policy by a footballing governing body unprecedented anywhere in the world.    

Fucking incompetent provincial eggball bogan racist fucking cocksuckers.  
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Don't forget the TeaLady

Image result for Tealady father ted

Heard rumors that she resigned too, now Gallop has taken over tea duties

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 27 Jul 2018 10:54 AM
Next he'll start supporting P&R.

He's not against it now, AFAIK...



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You lot gonna hate FIFAs view then:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/fifa-poppy-ban-england-fine-35000-scotland-a7484296.html

Both England and Scotland defied Fifa’s rules on wearing political and religious statements and wore poppies in their Armistice Day clash at Wembley, knowing that they would face repercussions for their actions.


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The National Club Identity Policy should stay!, Wots next Isis flags? Fk em.

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SWandP - 27 Jul 2018 10:10 PM
You lot gonna hate FIFAs view then:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/fifa-poppy-ban-england-fine-35000-scotland-a7484296.html

Both England and Scotland defied Fifa’s rules on wearing political and religious statements and wore poppies in their Armistice Day clash at Wembley, knowing that they would face repercussions for their actions.


Political and religious has nothing to do with nationality and where a club originated from. So FIFAs stance is different to NCIP. 

Surely the FFA must be on their last legs. Made enemies with everyone and are basically bankrupt. 
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SWandP - 27 Jul 2018 10:10 PM
You lot gonna hate FIFAs view then:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/fifa-poppy-ban-england-fine-35000-scotland-a7484296.html

Both England and Scotland defied Fifa’s rules on wearing political and religious statements and wore poppies in their Armistice Day clash at Wembley, knowing that they would face repercussions for their actions.


Tell us about FIFA's policy on national flags.................................................................
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 27 Jul 2018 10:54 AM
Next he'll  start supporting P&R 



He does iirc.


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bohemia - 28 Jul 2018 3:47 AM
SWandP - 27 Jul 2018 10:10 PM

Tell us about FIFA's policy on national flags.................................................................

Sure. When you are not a team representing a Nation then it's a political statement.  Give them a call and tell them you think it's wrong.

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 27 Jul 2018 10:54 AM

He does iirc.

Now he's the paid mouthpiece for Victorian clubs or when he was Sages paid mouthpiece?

Under Sage he was "one day we can think about it, when the HAL is stable/profitable/sustainable etc etc. Not in Perth etc etc."


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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SWandP - 28 Jul 2018 9:23 AM
bohemia - 28 Jul 2018 3:47 AM

Sure. When you are not a team representing a Nation then it's a political statement.  Give them a call and tell them you think it's wrong.

What? 
Ever watched a European club match? There's dozens of 'foreign' flags waved. 
There's also many, many flags at WC matches of countries that arent playing. 

There's a big difference between political statements and national flags. 


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