In brief, last season a club named "Shamrock Rovers Darwin FC" was formed by a group of Irish ex-patriots who now reside in Australia. The club's colours are Green and White and the club emblem contain Irish symbolism.

The clubs was formed in the applicable time of the NCIP and not only was not reprimanded but due to recent success in the FFA Cup preliminary rounds have actually enjoyed promotion by the FFA - who in their article also used Irish words!

Football has the ability of bringing people together like this, and I for one am happy for SRDFC and wish them continued success. Clubs in Melbourne have been forced to change their names baring ethnic connotations while this club of Irish heritage is treated differently to the point of encouragement.

The issue here is that the FFA are treating different ethnicity differently.

Scrap the NCIP.

The FFA article

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Shamrock-Rovers-Darwin-FC/1579867575561614

In case the ethnic heritage isn't clear

Opinion piece on the topic

Edited by SoccerLogic: 28/3/2015 03:55:31 PM

FFA with their racist shit again. Effnik = Bad (unless you come from the home nations)

Shamrock shouldn't be punished for their work at helping to strengthen the Irish community through football but neither should they to any other club for doing the same. These sort of communities do great stuff helping new Australians settle into life here whilst also providing an outlet to help preserve bits of their native culture. This policy was bullshit from the start and discrimates against clubs that are formed by people from certain areas.

Hadn't seen this before. Defies belief.

Spot On! =d>

Is it actually against the rules to name your club after another a club?

I thought it was only national names and symbols they couldn't use.

Where are the dumb fucks who argued that the NCIP wasn't racist in thought and deed? Evidently, some ethnicities are more welcome than others.

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I normally disagree with most of the stupid retarded shit that's posted on this forum but this is actually pretty fucked up. The double standard at play here is ridiculous.

Look at melbourne city. British and religious iconography but nobody says a thing.

Surely there is some retention of the clubs origins..

They wouldn't ban EVERYTHING. Keep colours , keep the logo. I would say fuck off the rest, this is Australia not fucking Ireland

I thought the FFA policy was only in regards to NPL.
What is ethnic about Shamrock Rovers though its the same as Suns,Lions, Eagles.

I wonder what would happen if there was an aboriginal team?

I don't know about an Aboriginal team. It would be better to see Indigenous players fit into all A-League teams. Apologies for what will amount to derailing this thread. But if we could get more indigenous kids involved in football that would be sublime. I have a feeling, if it was in their culture, they would be some of the most gifted footballers in the world. Not only are they some of the most naturally athletic Australians (the fastest, the most agile, etc.), when you watch them play in the AFL, quite a few seem to have a kind of sixth sense about where to position themselves and seem to be several steps ahead of the game. This is one of the key attributes of a good footballer.

The trouble is they're too culturally entrenched in AFL, and of course there are other welfare issues which successive governments have failed to address adequately. But I have hunch that if a bunch of Indigenous communities suddenly started playing football, and pretty much nothing else, if they had good coaches, then you would have clubs like Barcelona licking their lips

Edited by quickflick: 28/3/2015 08:45:12 PM

They should all be sent back to Shamrockistan where they came from!!

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Hmm. Going through the list in the actual policy:

2.1 Club Name, may only contain:
c) Words in English. Yes.
d) References to geographic area club is located. Not applicable.
e) Colours. Not applicable.
f) Numbers. Not applicable.
g) References to flora. Shamrock is the common name for a clover plant.
h) Fauna. Not applicable.

The logo may only contain:
c) Words in English. Yes.
d) Geography. Not applicable.
e) Colours. Green. Which is a colour.
f) Numbers. Not applicable.
g) Flora. Shamrock being a plant is okay.
h) Fauna. Not applicable.
I) Shapes. It has a football on it.

The tricky section is this part underneath each of those points:

"Provided that these components do not carry any ethnic, national, political, racial or religious connotations either in isolation or combination."

The City of Melbourne's flag.

City has a defendable position on that ground.

But this Shamrock one just seems like a double standard.

Ok, which is based on a ethnic, or foreign or religious symbol



Also, going on this argument couldn't a new team use a flag of Zagreb etc then?

You forgot the FFA no dickhead rule,which applies to some well known old clubs..:-" :-" :-"

...if the team was in Zagreb, yes?

Is Irish really considered ethnic in this country?

....you do know what an ethnicity is, right?

Irish is an ethnicity but they certainly aren't #effnik in the Australian Football context anymore.

Clover also grows here so what's the point?

What sort of question is that? Do you mean what is the point of an Irish backed team using an symbol that's recognized as being representative of Ireland?

No. I mean how does it count as an ethnic symbol if it grows all over the world?

Well apparently they lost last night. Luck of the Irish clearly not applicable here.

Maccabi played in the ffa cup last season and were on tv
A number of high profile Jewish spectators attended the match at Hensley v the Gold Coast sharks I think
If this is ok then what is the problem?

It's not ok. But frank has one rule for some...

Existing clubs are exempt. It's only if they try to change their name.

If Greek and Croatian is considered to be ethnic, then so is Irish.

All I know is it's the same pack of whinging bitches that bring these non-stories up all the time.

:-({|=

Sometimes the FFA are just beyond a facepalm.

Until the FFA allows these guys to get the next A Legaue license ahead of SMFC then there is no hypocrisy - SMFC supporters still use the Hellas chant and so perpetuate a link with their heritage so why not these guys.

FMD, because the FFA's policy says new clubs cannot use names and logos with any national or religious affiliations.

One more time:
FFA'S POLICY

Read the fucking NCIP before commenting

No no no... One way or another it MUST be the ethnics fault rather than the FFA. Read the 442 guidelines, FFS. ;)

=d>

Why do you all hide?

Cause they're well 'ard

The southern cross can be seen from the entirety of the southern hemisphere. Its also on the Brazilian flag IIRC. But its linked heavily to Australia culturally and symbolically.

Is that guy hiding his face with a short from Mafia the PC game?

-PB

I think the fact mafia is spelled incorrectly with two [size=7]F[/size]s and the two [size=7]F[/size]s and the [size=7]A[/size] are in a different colour is the point of the t-shirt

we have a winner.

you sir get a sticker ;)

Hope the sticker is vaguely fascist in it's design ;) o:)

This topic is still producing the LOLs.

Just for the pathetic minded who actually take it seriously:

Shamrock Rovers is the biggest and most successful club ever to come out of Ireland. Their crest is somewhat unsurprisingly - a shamrock.

The whinging bitches who are trying to make out that this an example of a political, ethnic and/or religious construct that has got through the net are simply pathetic.

Similar examples might be a team being started by local fans and calling themselves Morwell Leeds United with their badge based on a white rose. It relates to football and directly so. It would take a complete nonce to assume that they were involved with a Yorkist overthrow of the establish Royal lineage.

God help us if they ever have to play a team named Mangalore United (red rose badge) , or Liverpool NSW or Scouse Roar Rovers in the NPL with their duplicitous Tudoristic heraldry! Should be good one to get along to Bosworth Park for.

Red Star Bayswater North would be an interesting addition. Should it get through? Even with, the deity help us, a red star as an emblem! Probably, as it has a direct football link via a long existing and iconic club. No more likely to offend the pc sensitivities than Redbank Locomotive.

My greatest laugh will come when a few workers from the Central Mill south of Bundaberg get together to register their new team. ISIS WARRIORS are going to be a worldwide media storm. Can't imagine what that this would do to the caged minds aroud Albert Park,

Paulc is back and lurking in a predictable thread :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You got it.

This Darwin club does not carry baggage like some of the ex mono ethnic NSL clubs do.
They don't wave flags or sing nationalistic chants or songs.
They don't try and impose their country's name in big letters on front of their shirt.
They don't give mainstream the one up, don't have political riots or selfeshly keep to themselves.

Having said that I don't like any replicated name from another country but out of the limelight and at Z grade level let them be and have the fun.

so in other words change and bend the rules for certain ethnic clubs? :oops:

STFU dickhead.

Pity this forum doesn't have the same policy for these two

You made the mitake of replying to a paulc "effniks out" post.


We've missed you pauly :lol:

You've completely ignored the difference. It's a behavioral issue that influences the progress of the game.

No one seems to mind that on the same day as the Shamrock Rovers game, the double header included a team called University Azzurri? :-k

Are they a new team?

I tend to agree with an above poster though that this is a grey area at the very least as I assume teams can still be set up called Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Club? Maybe not

I know there's shit loads of teams like that in our amateur leagues but they aren't under the FFA umbrella anyway I guess

[size=4]Edit to be more specific in the club name I chose in the example[/size]

Edited by davide82: 2/4/2015 12:15:08 PM

University Azzurri were established before the NCIP, so the rules in question don't apply to them.

Do those that actively promote Ustasha, give of Nazi salutes, have 'white boys' stickers and spend their time on social media/in forums venting their hatred and bile towards Serbs not see just the tiniest bit of hypocrisy in claiming racism?

Edited by tsf: 2/4/2015 12:17:05 PM

2smort4me

-PB

Lol at the try hard pimply ultra in the MaFFiA shirt. Sees 'UefaMafia' on UltrasTifo and next thing you know...

Little difference between Maffia and bitters.

Steve Lowy should have the guts to implement the Crawford Report not like his father.

I don't get it, then why are the NSL teams all affected by this then? Surely all of them were established before the NCIP? Obviously something here I'm missing.

what makes you any different to sledging him on the net?

keyboard warrior :lol:

refer to last season and the court battle between melbourne knights and ffa atm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azg4gqEYNBo

They were affected by a policy of David Hill which forced them to change their names.
The names of Sydney or Melbourne Croatia, Preston Macedonia and South Melbourne Hellas are clearly ethnic.
Sydney Olympic are equivalent to the Shamrock name.

You can't say keyboard warrior when someone is giving shit to a couple of pre-pubescent pencil necks :lol: Nobody would be scared to say something to their face.

The issue with the NCIP is that it is a racist policy because it inhibits expression of ethnicity. The policy is so vaguely written that the concern is the FFA will use it selectively and target "unfavourable" ethnicities. The recent incident with the SRDFC shows that this is indeed the case.

Regardless on whether the team based itself on an already established team, the iconography has ethnic connotations. While Greek backed clubs moving into FFV competitions this year have been forced to change their identity, this Irish club was not only given the all clear but promoted by the FFA using irish motifs.

FIXED

2.2 Subject to clause 2.3, a logo or emblem: (a) of a New Club; and
(b) of an Existing Club upon a change of logo or emblem by that Club may only contain or display:
(c) words or letters in English; and/or
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/dct/ffa-dtc-performgroup-eu-west-1/FFA%20National%20Club%20Identity%20Policy%20(Final%2020150820)_1pvwoq7dqosg01clkvypw3pwlu.pdf


This new Wellington logo is clearly a breach 

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More annoyed about Frank Jewish mates being allowed to keep "Maccabi Hakoah" in the cup but Shamrock Rovers in Darwin aren't allowed to just play under their actual name.

That was wrong imo too. If they had an Gaelic motto on it though, that would be different. 

The rule is clear. English only. That means no Maori. 

This is a fair point.

(c) words or letters in English; and/or
(d) references to the broader geographic area in which the Club is located; and/or
You dropped off the key point (d), which imo means this logo/emblem is ok.

Yeah I think the "OR" was included to allow for indigenous languages ... I guess this begs the question then if an area has a large immigrant population than could their language be a reference to the area??

Under FFA rules my jesuit catholic school (with latin motto) would be barred too

I always wondered about the Latin mottos that many clubs, schools etc. use. Strictly under the NCIP you couldn't use them (well at least register a new club or change the logo under it to include them nowadays).

Why did Wellington bother? What a shit logo. 

This is all because Frank Lowy betrayed the Football Family by not implementing the Crawford Report Recommendations.

Looking forward to Aboriginal team daring to use their own language 

Clearly and unambiguously breaches section 2.3 of the policy, but hey, FFA are happy with it so it gets the o.k. I can see why people get upset with the double standards.

Can they just write in the clause "These only apply to effnik teams" so we can be done with it already 

Hollandia confirmed. Rip pauly

with the heritage game and now this one cant help but feel Lions will buy them back soon and they will end up playing in Richlands within a decade. 

☘Nice looking kit ☘

looooooooool

-PB

In regards to the OP I note that the NCIP which came into effect in June 2014 and that the Shamrock Rovers Darwin FC were established in 2014 (so not sure whether registered before or after NCIP came into effect).

The club is apparently a "sister" club of the Shamrock Rovers (Dublin) ... so not sure how that sits under the NCIP??

I note also the team has now changed their name to simply Darwin Rovers FC.

I wonder how a team with Red Star 'Geographic Area' FC would go?? A red star can have communist meaning, but could also have no ideology attached too, or could be a 'sister club' to either the French or Serb clubs. As far as I can tell from the NCIP the symbol / name has to have a clear meaning to be prohibited, so you'd have to argue a red star would be fine (unless Caltex, New Zealand, etc. are classified as displaying red stars for communist reasons).

Shaking hands with myjetski wearing his polish flag. Then Sydney fc show cause tomorrow or silence. Who’s got the hot tip?

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Thats a misprint in the article they are called Brazroos not Bazroos

https://www.facebook.com/brazroos/

Not going to mention the fact that Spanish round is in blatant contribution of the aims of NCIP.