The difference here is that Perth's CEO owner and whoever said they did nothing wrong and the FFA, the governing body(!) have said MV did nothing wrong.

Not really breaking the salary cap.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/rivals-claim-victory-broke-salary-cap-rules-with-socceroo-signings-20150424-1msvpd.html?stb=twt

Rivals claim Victory broke salary cap rules with Socceroo signings

The Football Federation of Australia has been accused of overlooking breaches of the salary cap by A-League giant Melbourne Victory.

Rivals clubs say Victory funnelled large payments through overseas clubs to secure the services of Socceroos players James Troisi and Tom Rogic, in order to avoid having their full cost counted towards the salary cap.

Victory signed Troisi in September 2013 on a one-year deal. He was paid $50,000 for the season, just above the league's minimum wage. Victory also made an up-front payment to the Italian clubs that co-owned Troisi, Juventus and Atalanta, who continued to pay his European salary while he played for Victory.

Victory only counted his annual A-League wage towards the salary cap.

In a similar deal, Victory signed Socceroos star Tom Rogic in January 2014, who was also paid the A-League minimum wage of $50,000. But Victory paid Rogic's parent club, Celtic FC, an up-front fee, believed to be $250,000.

Celtic then continued to pay Rogic while he played for Victory.

The FFA was keen for both players to return to the A-League to impress local coaches ahead of the World Cup and Asian Cup.

Victory's use of up-front payments was discussed at a heated meeting of A-League bosses on May 27 last year, at which several club CEOs argued that Victory must count the up-front payments. Those up-front payments would have put the club over the league salary cap.

Fairfax Media believes that the FFA's head of legal and business affairs Jo Setright argued at the meeting that up-front loan payments should be included towards Victory's salary cap under league rules.

"It was a very heated meeting and Jo Setright clearly stated the payments should be included towards the TPP (total player payments)," said the CEO of one leading A-League Club.

Two other club CEOs at that meeting said the loan deals were discussed at length with Setright.

On June 6 last year, 10 days after that May meeting, the FFA issued a memo titled "Players on loan – salary cap", which was sent to all A-League clubs. It sent to "clarify" rules and said payments for loan players must be counted towards the salary cap.

"Loan fees (and any other amounts) paid to the loaned player's parent club will be treated as indirect payments by the club to that player and included within the club's Total Player Payments," it stated.

But no retrospective punishments were handed out.

The memo also flagged that the FFA would "discuss the application of the above with the relevant clubs on a case-by-case basis to ensure a reasonable treatment of such arrangements" for existing deals.

Melbourne Victory boss Ian Robson told Fairfax Media he believed his club had complied with the letter of the law.

The FFA, which has been rocked by Perth Glory's salary cap breaches, says Victory broke no rules.

"FFA rejects any suggestion that clubs with loan players in the 2013/14 season were in breach of the A-League player payment guidelines," said the Head of Hyundai A-League, Damien de Bohun.

"FFA was fully aware of all such payments at the time. The guidelines for that season very clearly stated that loan fees paid to the parent club are not included in the club's salary cap. The normal post-season review identified that FFA needed to clarify the interpretation of a 'loan fee', and that was done and communicated to all the clubs."

The FFA also pointed to an old guideline that says "loan fees paid to the parent club are not included in the club's salary cap".

But angry rival clubs accused the FFA if cherry picking clauses from old guidelines to suit its case.

"The fact is, if this was allowed, we all would have done it for years," said one CEO. "The guidelines say that, but they also say part of a player's overseas salary then needs to be counted. It's a complicated formula. The fact is Clive Palmer threatened to do just this while at Gold Coast in 2009, and we all told such loan payments were not allowed. So this is where the FFA is at: the loan payments were not allowed before Victory did it, they are not allowed after Victory did it, but they were allowed when Victory did it. Explain that to the fans."

Another club CEO said Melbourne had been let off the hook.

"I think what Perth did was a breach of the cap and they deserve their whack. But I also think we should look at what Victory did."

Any fresch news on the rumour?

Would lol if every team but the cap cheaters, and the jerks, made the finals :lol:

It's irrelevant, they won't be able to audit the clubs before the finals, so they all still make it, Perth will still be out and IF the FFA's favorite clubs are found guilty they'll probably just deduct points form next season.

Nothing to see here.

Of Course that all changes if Wellington is involved, heaven forbid a Grand Final in NZ [-x

this. Hell I remember au complaining to the ffa about mv paying a transfer fee for carlos. They were saying it should be part of the cap.

Not one MV fan is under rating the quality of our depth, we're just saying everyone else is over rating their valuation just because they've performed excellently, contracts aren't signed with the benefit of hindsight in mind.

jesus christ not again :lol:


My guess is us, victory, and citeh

I could see a few clubs offering a marquee spot for FBK. He'd be worth it. Victory will do well to hold onto him.

:lol: :lol:

Dude, give up. Victory fans know the ins and outs of all either players' contacts ;)

Your bench is better than most actual starting elevens.

You're underestimating the quality of Makarounas, Pain, Finkler, Mahazi not to mention Thompson.

In the last match you had a bench of Thompson, Finkler, Pain, Spinella and Galloway. 4 of those players would start for most teams. Not saying you're over the cap but your bench is very strong IMO.

Improved deal from 150 is 250. Like I said brox is on more money than fbk is . Hell a lot of our players are underpaid . For eg billy celeski was on a very loe wage when he was with us .

For someone who doesn't need the money, he has made a lot of noise about needing an improved deal to stay at Victory when he will be 1-2 years older than he is now.

Would have to be on around $200k.



Edited by biscuitman1871: 22/4/2015 10:18:35 AM

he is 32 and has stated he doesnt need the money late into his career. Also yes boredux paid that for him in 10 but seriously do you actually follow ligue 1? I dont and I hardly hear of players from there unless arsenal or newcastle are rumoured to be in for them .

Good thing Crown Casino chips are a whole lot harder to trace than payments to a wife. :-" /s

I don't dispute that FBK is on lower than he is worth but it's not true to say that no one heard of him. Bordeaux paid €4.5m for him in 2010 and you would have to think that you don't go from that to $150k a year in the space of 4 years.

Cheaper to live in Perth than where? Maybe Sydney, not anywhere else.

I doubt it. Cheaper to live there. They'd be fine on the same amount.

Bloody hell. Hopefully not true. This would fuck the A-League so badly.

Players would want more to play for Perth though, you're forgetting about that.

Compare that to Perth who as we now know were almost half a mil over. MV easily have the stronger (thus, more expensive) set of players. Most teams a few youth squadies so thats a moot point.

Is anyone NOT over the cap lol?

Mdp will be on 130-150 k

3 of our first choice back 4 are 20 or under, our bench is consistently filled with youth players (the highest quality would be Thompson (not on as much anymore and Mahazi who would be on little).

Not to mention FBK is on 150k, with Delpierre's injury history i assume he wont be on much either.

Tbh I think Victory probably realised they were pushing it and is part of the reason they let Princess go so quickly.

MDP would be making bank and so would Valeri.

I honestly cant believe they've been linked to Jamie MacLaren. Hed want around 200k, which is a lot for someone who's barely goijg to get on the pitch behind Bes and Archie (assuming he signs on for pennies). And again, hates Perth due to lack of PT. Makes no sense.

Keogh was only on $150k ;)

Up until 3 years ago Delpierre had a bigger reputation with me than Del Piero but maybe I'm weird. I liked watching the bundesliga and he used to be one of the first players I'd sign in any of the many computer games

I'd even add Georgie to that list.

-PB