Do sportspeople in Australia get put on a pedestal too much


Do sportspeople in Australia get put on a pedestal too much

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If you are a sportsperson you are basically a Demi God in Australia.
As much as I like sports, I feel they get more credit than they deserve....especially rugby league and Afl players.

You compare this to say Asian countries there's no way they get the same love from its compared to someone who has worked hard and become wealthy and conducted themselves the right way

It seems as long as you are pro sportsman you will get envied anywhere you go regardless of what misdemeanours you do

Edited by Socawho: 21/4/2015 01:27:57 PM
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yes they do

its an extension celebrity culture which is more or less the same thing however since no popular movies or music is made in Australia then sportspeople are the quasi celebrities

in Asian countries you'll find similar undeserved worship for film, TV and music stars.

in poorer Asian countries well there's a perspective that says we dont have time for entertainment we're too busy working to survive
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The bad thing is, it creates a culture of want, and inability to understand one's limitations into what a person can have

Im fairly sure sportspeople are also limited in their own lives into what they can and cant have, its just we dont know, or want to know about it

It also creates a culture of dissatisfaction, ie regardless of achievements, the concept of 'good enough' gets lost in this endless pursuit, and good enough is what a lot of us can hope for or attain.
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No, not enough imo.

Warnie is a God and should be shown the praise he deserves.

-PB

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My answer to your question is no.

I once played inter school squash and won a couple of games. Where was my endorsement deal? Where was my 15 minutes of fame? Where were my groupies??

I was a great sportsmen and could have been anything...but here I am now. Just a lonely doctor of love.
Yours in love
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paulbagzFC wrote:
No, not enough imo.

Warnie is a God and should be shown the praise he deserves.

-PB

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind Warnie since he started off as fat guy who worked his ass off to get to where he is. Being a spinner is a lot of skill involved.

The guys I'm referring to are the NRL who go soft on criminal offenders and allow them back into the game.

I guess also in my line of fire are Olympians. Why should taxpayers fork out for sportspeople to get their 5 minutes of fame when poor average joe with no athletic ability has to work his ass off so these sportspeople can get paid a thousand times what average joe earns. And most the time the Olympians who don't get gold or silver struggle to attract endorsements anyway

Sportspeople who have utilised a government funded sports body to get to where they are should be required to pay back the taxpayer. People forget that even the lowest taxed bracket battlers also help to fund these athletes and they get no return on investment as an individual

it should be no different to an entrepreneur who had made millions be forced to pay higher tax or a uni student on a hecs scheme

Edited by Socawho: 21/4/2015 07:22:20 PM

Edited by Socawho: 21/4/2015 07:23:18 PM
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SocaWho wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
No, not enough imo.

Warnie is a God and should be shown the praise he deserves.

-PB

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind Warnie since he started off as fat guy who worked his ass off to get to where he is. Being a spinner is a lot of skill involved.

The guys I'm referring to are the NRL who go soft on criminal offenders and allow them back into the game.

I guess also in my line of fire are Olympians. Why should taxpayers fork out for sportspeople to get their 5 minutes of fame when poor average joe with no athletic ability has to work his ass off so these sportspeople can get paid a thousand times what average joe earns. And most the time the Olympians who don't get gold or silver struggle to attract endorsements anyway

Sportspeople who have utilised a government funded sports body to get to where they are should be required to pay back the taxpayer. People forget that even the lowest taxed bracket battlers also help to fund these athletes and they get no return on investment as an individual

it should be no different to an entrepreneur who had made millions be forced to pay higher tax or a uni student on a hecs scheme

Edited by Socawho: 21/4/2015 07:22:20 PM

Edited by Socawho: 21/4/2015 07:23:18 PM

I haven't got a problem with sports people paying back their tuition similar to how I pay HECS but it should only be required when they become a professional in that sport. Most never make it big, and if we didn't fund these programs we wouldn't win shit.
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u4486662 wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
No, not enough imo.

Warnie is a God and should be shown the praise he deserves.

-PB

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind Warnie since he started off as fat guy who worked his ass off to get to where he is. Being a spinner is a lot of skill involved.

The guys I'm referring to are the NRL who go soft on criminal offenders and allow them back into the game.

I guess also in my line of fire are Olympians. Why should taxpayers fork out for sportspeople to get their 5 minutes of fame when poor average joe with no athletic ability has to work his ass off so these sportspeople can get paid a thousand times what average joe earns. And most the time the Olympians who don't get gold or silver struggle to attract endorsements anyway

Sportspeople who have utilised a government funded sports body to get to where they are should be required to pay back the taxpayer. People forget that even the lowest taxed bracket battlers also help to fund these athletes and they get no return on investment as an individual

it should be no different to an entrepreneur who had made millions be forced to pay higher tax or a uni student on a hecs scheme

Edited by Socawho: 21/4/2015 07:22:20 PM

Edited by Socawho: 21/4/2015 07:23:18 PM

I haven't got a problem with sports people paying back their tuition similar to how I pay HECS but it should only be required when they become a professional in that sport. Most never make it big, and if we didn't fund these programs we wouldn't win shit.

I agree . Only those that make it big should pay it back.
But then again if you fail in your HECS course...you still have to pay for it.

How does that make you feel?

Edited by SocaWho: 22/4/2015 11:29:11 AM
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SocaWho wrote:
The guys I'm referring to are the NRL who go soft on criminal offenders and allow them back into the game.


I don't agree with that line of reasoning. Giving chance after chance to drop kicks is obviously shit but offering a second chance to a person who has been punished and is rehabilitated for their crime is a great thing, people can change and everyone deserves a second chance.

What you don't seem to realize is that NRL and AFL have a lot more off field issues than football in this country because a lot of players come from lower socio economic backgrounds and many struggle to adjust to stardom, plus more importantly many lack the strength to separate themselves from bad influences within the family and communities they've grown up in. Sports offers some of these people the chance to escape that life and to break that poverty cycle; clubs should never turn their back on their players if they're not beyond help.

As an AFL supporter I think it's great when you see players who have fucked up and done something stupid take their second chance and change their lives. As a Collingwood supporter I've seen quite a few troubled players mature into good human beings because the club stood by them and supported their players in times of need.
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Fredsta wrote:
SocaWho wrote:
The guys I'm referring to are the NRL who go soft on criminal offenders and allow them back into the game.


I don't agree with that line of reasoning. Giving chance after chance to drop kicks is obviously shit but offering a second chance to a person who has been punished and is rehabilitated for their crime is a great thing, people can change and everyone deserves a second chance.

What you don't seem to realize is that NRL and AFL have a lot more off field issues than football in this country because a lot of players come from lower socio economic backgrounds and many struggle to adjust to stardom, plus more importantly many lack the strength to separate themselves from bad influences within the family and communities they've grown up in. Sports offers some of these people the chance to escape that life and to break that poverty cycle; clubs should never turn their back on their players if they're not beyond help.

As an AFL supporter I think it's great when you see players who have fucked up and done something stupid take their second chance and change their lives. As a Collingwood supporter I've seen quite a few troubled players mature into good human beings because the club stood by them and supported their players in times of need.

I'm not against people getting a second chance to redeem themselves. I'm referring to those who continue to reoffend and take their profession for granted.
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SocaWho wrote:
I'm not against people getting a second chance to redeem themselves. I'm referring to those who continue to reoffend and take their profession for granted.


Fair enough, personally speaking though the AFL players that struggle off the field generally still remain professional on the field and try and repay their clubs that way. I'd much rather that effort than have a guy like Balotelli at my club, even though Balo's antics are harmless in comparison I'd rather have a selfish cunt off the field than a selfish cunt on it at my club.
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Fredsta wrote:


As an AFL supporter.


You missed the point again- 1 point

Sport is not life, its merely entertainment, like hot oil wrestling or your local soap opera, it makes a difference to the economy through sports betting

The reason why people watch it is because too many (commoners) yearn for reason and order in life, when in all actuality, there isnt

You're probably going to start a fight with me in a bar if I said this, but thats the truth
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Condemned666 wrote:
You're probably going to start a fight with me in a bar if I said this, but thats the truth


I've never swung at anyone and never plan to, I'm way too laid back IRL.

Our paths will never cross in a bar as you've well and truly established how high brow your tastes are compared to everyone else here, you're obviously far too good to mix with the plebs.

I've honestly not been able to figure you out, you're obviously a cultured guy but you express yourself almost entirely with nonsensical monologues that just serve to denigrate something popular so you can remind us all just how elitist your tastes are. It's hard to take that seriously.

I've no idea whether you're just a smart guy's poor attempt at a troll or a genuine case of high functioning autism.
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