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Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:I really hope this Cnut goes to one of the away games in the next round of qualifiers. He didn't go to any in the last round, would have been nice to catch up with him in one of those third world shitholes. Woah, lucky for him hey. I go to every away game, I am sure I will get the chance to wish him a happy Anzac Day eventually. You should, he is such a big meanie tweeting what he did. [size=3]He has the right to offend people on a day where they grieve their dead[/size], he also has the right to suffer the consequences. Couldn't the same argument be made towards military personnel (who end up KIA, WIA, MIA) who commits homicide, GBH etc, etc in the name of a government policy?
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That "Camp Gallipoli" stuff is really disturbing. But I have never seen that ad before. Geez that is appalling!
Up there with Woolworths "Fresh in our memories"....
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^ holy fucking shit...
I thought that was a parody
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sydneyfc1987 wrote:Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Interesting comment off mumbrella Quote:With a great uncle at Gallipoli, an uncle at Western Front a grandfather at Bullecourt, dad’s brother at Tobruk and New Guinea, and Dad in Changi and with the 8th division on the Death Railway, ANZAC Day was part of my childhood.
I loathe and am nauseated by the commercialisation, the puerile nonsense that is bleated about ANZAC Day in the media now. The Centenary “celebrations” I found so repulsive that for the first time in close to 20 years I could not bring myself to participate in the Sydney march. For many years I have worn a chest full of dead men’s medals, to honour them, and appreciate and try and understand what they experienced, and how their war years left them broken and wounded.
But I cannot in all conscious participate now, cause I KNOW these men and I KNOW they themselves would be infuriated and sickened by the idiotic commentary that prevails.
I admire and support Macintyre. SBS and Turnbull were totally wrong in having this man sacked.
The irony just makes me wince. ANZAC day – and the sickening narrative that is now inflicted on us includes the trope that “they fought for our freedom”. But when someone like Macintyre exercises that very freedom – he’s sacked and silenced.
I too would wanted his comments to be tested against historic truths.
But of course ANZAC is now a “legend”, a fairy tale, and those that profit from it don’t want the narrative scarred by ugly truths. Glad that Cnut isn't marching, the march is for veterans, not some wanker who wants recognition for taking his grandfathers medals for a stroll. Must say I find the commercialization of ANZAC day to be pretty sickening. It really shouldn't be the time or place. I find it hard to believe there's a wrong time for stuff like this 
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The thing about commercialism of it is the RSL is just as guilty as anyone else.
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AzzaMarch
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Crusader wrote:
Glad that Cnut isn't marching, the march is for veterans, not some wanker who wants recognition for taking his grandfathers medals for a stroll.
To be fair, the guy is saying he is not marching because of the commercialisation of the day. Agree with that or not, but I don't see how he is looking for recognition!
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Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Interesting comment off mumbrella Quote:With a great uncle at Gallipoli, an uncle at Western Front a grandfather at Bullecourt, dad’s brother at Tobruk and New Guinea, and Dad in Changi and with the 8th division on the Death Railway, ANZAC Day was part of my childhood.
I loathe and am nauseated by the commercialisation, the puerile nonsense that is bleated about ANZAC Day in the media now. The Centenary “celebrations” I found so repulsive that for the first time in close to 20 years I could not bring myself to participate in the Sydney march. For many years I have worn a chest full of dead men’s medals, to honour them, and appreciate and try and understand what they experienced, and how their war years left them broken and wounded.
But I cannot in all conscious participate now, cause I KNOW these men and I KNOW they themselves would be infuriated and sickened by the idiotic commentary that prevails.
I admire and support Macintyre. SBS and Turnbull were totally wrong in having this man sacked.
The irony just makes me wince. ANZAC day – and the sickening narrative that is now inflicted on us includes the trope that “they fought for our freedom”. But when someone like Macintyre exercises that very freedom – he’s sacked and silenced.
I too would wanted his comments to be tested against historic truths.
But of course ANZAC is now a “legend”, a fairy tale, and those that profit from it don’t want the narrative scarred by ugly truths. Glad that Cnut isn't marching, the march is for veterans, not some wanker who wants recognition for taking his grandfathers medals for a stroll. Must say I find the commercialization of ANZAC day to be pretty sickening. It really shouldn't be the time or place.
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tsf wrote:Interesting comment off mumbrella Quote:With a great uncle at Gallipoli, an uncle at Western Front a grandfather at Bullecourt, dad’s brother at Tobruk and New Guinea, and Dad in Changi and with the 8th division on the Death Railway, ANZAC Day was part of my childhood.
I loathe and am nauseated by the commercialisation, the puerile nonsense that is bleated about ANZAC Day in the media now. The Centenary “celebrations” I found so repulsive that for the first time in close to 20 years I could not bring myself to participate in the Sydney march. For many years I have worn a chest full of dead men’s medals, to honour them, and appreciate and try and understand what they experienced, and how their war years left them broken and wounded.
But I cannot in all conscious participate now, cause I KNOW these men and I KNOW they themselves would be infuriated and sickened by the idiotic commentary that prevails.
I admire and support Macintyre. SBS and Turnbull were totally wrong in having this man sacked.
The irony just makes me wince. ANZAC day – and the sickening narrative that is now inflicted on us includes the trope that “they fought for our freedom”. But when someone like Macintyre exercises that very freedom – he’s sacked and silenced.
I too would wanted his comments to be tested against historic truths.
But of course ANZAC is now a “legend”, a fairy tale, and those that profit from it don’t want the narrative scarred by ugly truths. Separate from the legal ins and outs, I tend to agree with this. I think Scott's words were poorly phrased (but that's what you get with twitter). Would have been much better for him to have linked to an article that articulated the full context. The other issue is that we have no creation myths as a nation, given that we never had a war of independence like the USA. So this has come to represent our founding myth. And as all the participants are now dead, its only going to continue to happen. I am old enough to remember when ANZAC Day was more about mourning, grief and being anti-war. For many people that is still the case. But no doubt there has been a commercialisation of the day.
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tsf wrote:Interesting comment off mumbrella Quote:With a great uncle at Gallipoli, an uncle at Western Front a grandfather at Bullecourt, dad’s brother at Tobruk and New Guinea, and Dad in Changi and with the 8th division on the Death Railway, ANZAC Day was part of my childhood.
I loathe and am nauseated by the commercialisation, the puerile nonsense that is bleated about ANZAC Day in the media now. The Centenary “celebrations” I found so repulsive that for the first time in close to 20 years I could not bring myself to participate in the Sydney march. For many years I have worn a chest full of dead men’s medals, to honour them, and appreciate and try and understand what they experienced, and how their war years left them broken and wounded.
But I cannot in all conscious participate now, cause I KNOW these men and I KNOW they themselves would be infuriated and sickened by the idiotic commentary that prevails.
I admire and support Macintyre. SBS and Turnbull were totally wrong in having this man sacked.
The irony just makes me wince. ANZAC day – and the sickening narrative that is now inflicted on us includes the trope that “they fought for our freedom”. But when someone like Macintyre exercises that very freedom – he’s sacked and silenced.
I too would wanted his comments to be tested against historic truths.
But of course ANZAC is now a “legend”, a fairy tale, and those that profit from it don’t want the narrative scarred by ugly truths. Glad that Cnut isn't marching, the march is for veterans, not some wanker who wants recognition for taking his grandfathers medals for a stroll.
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Interesting comment off mumbrella Quote:With a great uncle at Gallipoli, an uncle at Western Front a grandfather at Bullecourt, dad’s brother at Tobruk and New Guinea, and Dad in Changi and with the 8th division on the Death Railway, ANZAC Day was part of my childhood.
I loathe and am nauseated by the commercialisation, the puerile nonsense that is bleated about ANZAC Day in the media now. The Centenary “celebrations” I found so repulsive that for the first time in close to 20 years I could not bring myself to participate in the Sydney march. For many years I have worn a chest full of dead men’s medals, to honour them, and appreciate and try and understand what they experienced, and how their war years left them broken and wounded.
But I cannot in all conscious participate now, cause I KNOW these men and I KNOW they themselves would be infuriated and sickened by the idiotic commentary that prevails.
I admire and support Macintyre. SBS and Turnbull were totally wrong in having this man sacked.
The irony just makes me wince. ANZAC day – and the sickening narrative that is now inflicted on us includes the trope that “they fought for our freedom”. But when someone like Macintyre exercises that very freedom – he’s sacked and silenced.
I too would wanted his comments to be tested against historic truths.
But of course ANZAC is now a “legend”, a fairy tale, and those that profit from it don’t want the narrative scarred by ugly truths.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:tsf wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:tsf wrote:^ pleb? Can't engage in discussion without insults. Telling.
Edited by tsf: 11/4/2016 03:13:57 PM A discussion involves two mature parties willing to share ideas. You have ignored the opportunity for discussion with the most prominent serviceman on this forum by being facetious. Why would I bother, when you won't listen to him? I don't even know where to begin with this, but it is excellent I know where you're going with that, so let me draw some conclusions. You are either trivialising matters on purpose to wind people up and further conversation to your narrative, like I do in most threads or you genuinely believe what you are posting. Either way, you're still a cnut. Your writing over the last few posts is a wonderful collection of false assumptions, mistruths and cliches, with no real focus for what you're trying to say except for the personal insults. Maybe it would be easier if you just stuck to them?
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:tsf wrote:^ pleb? Can't engage in discussion without insults. Telling.
Edited by tsf: 11/4/2016 03:13:57 PM A discussion involves two mature parties willing to share ideas. You have ignored the opportunity for discussion with the most prominent serviceman on this forum by being facetious. Why would I bother, when you won't listen to him? I don't even know where to begin with this, but it is excellent
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tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:I really hope this Cnut goes to one of the away games in the next round of qualifiers. He didn't go to any in the last round, would have been nice to catch up with him in one of those third world shitholes. Woah, lucky for him hey. I go to every away game, I am sure I will get the chance to wish him a happy Anzac Day eventually. You should, he is such a big meanie tweeting what he did. He has the right to offend people on a day where they grieve their dead, he also has the right to suffer the consequences. 'grieve their dead,' is a small fraction of it now - ANZAC day has been sold to the highest bidder - Buy the book/t-shirt/beer/footy match Also, what does 'suffer the consequences' mean? Sounds a little like an overeaction not far off the sort of behaviour he was alluding to. I don't support what he said, nor really care. But the outrage is a little bit hypocritical and goes against what the so-called 'spirit' of what they were fighting for. Edited by tsf: 11/4/2016 03:10:20 PM For the likes of you the meaning of Anzac Day may be sold to the highest bidder, but for those of us who fought it is the day of remembrance for the brothers we have lost. It is the one day we all come together for that reason, and he chose that day to be as offensive as possible. He wanted to be provocative, let him enjoy the fruits of his labour.
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^ pleb? Can't engage in discussion without insults. Telling.
Edited by tsf: 11/4/2016 03:13:57 PM
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Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:I really hope this Cnut goes to one of the away games in the next round of qualifiers. He didn't go to any in the last round, would have been nice to catch up with him in one of those third world shitholes. Woah, lucky for him hey. I go to every away game, I am sure I will get the chance to wish him a happy Anzac Day eventually. You should, he is such a big meanie tweeting what he did. He has the right to offend people on a day where they grieve their dead, he also has the right to suffer the consequences. 'grieve their dead,' is a small fraction of it now - ANZAC day has been sold to the highest bidder - Buy the book/t-shirt/beer/footy match Also, what does 'suffer the consequences' mean? Sounds a little like an overeaction not far off the sort of behaviour he was alluding to. I don't support what he said, nor really care. But the outrage is a little bit hypocritical and goes against what the so-called 'spirit' of what they were fighting for. Edited by tsf: 11/4/2016 03:10:20 PM
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tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:I really hope this Cnut goes to one of the away games in the next round of qualifiers. He didn't go to any in the last round, would have been nice to catch up with him in one of those third world shitholes. Woah, lucky for him hey. I go to every away game, I am sure I will get the chance to wish him a happy Anzac Day eventually. You should, he is such a big meanie tweeting what he did. He has the right to offend people on a day where they grieve their dead, he also has the right to suffer the consequences.
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Crusader wrote:tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:I really hope this Cnut goes to one of the away games in the next round of qualifiers. He didn't go to any in the last round, would have been nice to catch up with him in one of those third world shitholes. Woah, lucky for him hey. I go to every away game, I am sure I will get the chance to wish him a happy Anzac Day eventually. You should, he is such a big meanie tweeting what he did.
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tsf wrote:Crusader wrote:I really hope this Cnut goes to one of the away games in the next round of qualifiers. He didn't go to any in the last round, would have been nice to catch up with him in one of those third world shitholes. Woah, lucky for him hey. I go to every away game, I am sure I will get the chance to wish him a happy Anzac Day eventually.
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Crusader wrote:I really hope this Cnut goes to one of the away games in the next round of qualifiers. He didn't go to any in the last round, would have been nice to catch up with him in one of those third world shitholes. Woah, lucky for him hey.
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Outonthefull wrote:
You bang on about the 'freedom' to express an opinion well then what about the 'freedom' of an employer to sack an employee who they think has acted like an arse?
I banged on about that? I honestly don't remember. They do have the freedom to sack him, just like he had the freedom to sue.
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I really hope this Cnut goes to one of the away games in the next round of qualifiers. He didn't go to any in the last round, would have been nice to catch up with him in one of those third world shitholes.
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...and the joint statement makes it sound more like he is apologising than SBS: http://www.sbs.com.au/aboutus/news-media-releases/view/id/1059/h/Joint-Statement-by-SBS-and-Scott-McIntyreJoint Statement by SBS and Scott McIntyre Monday 11 April 2016 SBS and Mr McIntyre have now resolved their dispute over the termination of his employment on 26 April 2015. SBS acknowledges that Mr McIntyre was a well-respected sports reporter with SBS for a period spanning over a decade, and SBS is disappointed that it was unable to continue with his services following his Tweets. Mr McIntyre acknowledges that the views expressed in his Tweets on 25 April 2015 were his views and that they were contentious. Mr McIntyre regrets any attribution of his views to SBS and acknowledges that SBS was drawn into controversy following the expression of his views. [ENDS]
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I wouldn't read much into the 'triumphalist' statement by his lawyers, or the fact they represented him pro bono.
This is free publicity for Maurice Blackburn. At the end of the day it comes down to this - it is probably a 'grey area' legal question. So, as always happens, whenever the legal question is up in the air, its a simple calculation of the costs of trial. If you can settle for less than your trial costs, you do that. It's economics.
It's not even really a question of free speech, as it was clearly an account linked to his employment. This will be an industrial law question - whether he should have got a warning, rather than instant dismissal.
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tsf wrote:Outonthefull wrote:
The point is/was he used a twitter account attached to his employer that reflected badly on them by association.
I disagree. he still has the twitter account, he no longer works there. It's his property. Last one. Couldn't resist. Here's his twitter summary now. Scott McIntyre
@mcintinhos
Journalist. Football. Asia.Here's what is was before. Scott McIntyre
@mcintinhos
Football reporter/presenter at SBS TV Australia. Asian football, from all corners of the continent. theworldgame.sbs.com.au/scott-mcintyre..[size=4]underline emphasis added[/size] http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/scott-mcintyre-not-sacked-for-controversial-anzac-day-opinion-sbs-20151217-glpwkt.htmlIf he didn't have that SBS stuff on there I'd be on your side.
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Outonthefull wrote:
The point is/was he used a twitter account attached to his employer that reflected badly on them by association.
I disagree. he still has the twitter account, he no longer works there. It's his property.
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Outonthefull wrote:tsf wrote:Yes, nobody knows the sum. But when lawyers write this:
"It has been a privilege to have represented @mcintinhos & settling his important case about free speech"
"I dedicate the settlement of Scott McIntyre's court case to the vigilantes & hypocrites who got him sacked"
does that sound like someone going with their tail between their legs? So basically you're making it all up because you don't haven't a clue but, bugger it, just blather on anyway. And sorry I missed the bit about where the 'grovelling SBS' bit was? As for the lawyer's quote. Sounds like an ambulance chasing scum bloke trying to drum up business. Nobody knows the sum. I agree my use of the word 'grovelling' was incorrect. Personally it sounds like someone who lost watering down their initial statement but putting something out (to his apporval) to save face. But it's pure speculation. However further comments liek this from his legal team "Kudos to a great team of Sydney barristers who joined us in acting pro bono for Scott incl. M Lee SC & R Francois" make you think they either got a great result or they're delusional. Judging from their experience and standing I doubt they are lunatics.
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You win. Just read the first 7 pages of this thread. It's all been covered before anyway.
That highkick bloke is/was rather special.
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tsf wrote:Outonthefull wrote:
"Mr McIntyre's actions have breached the SBS Code of Conduct and social media policy
Telling, he didn't say he breached his contract. That wasn't the point. That was the reasoning given by SBS. I happen to think that he made some telling commentary regards his tweets. Probably not the best day to do it but that's not the point. The point is/was he used a twitter account attached to his employer that reflected badly on them by association. You bang on about the 'freedom' to express an opinion well then what about the 'freedom' of an employer to sack an employee who they think has acted like an arse?
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tsf wrote:Yes, nobody knows the sum. But when lawyers write this:
"It has been a privilege to have represented @mcintinhos & settling his important case about free speech"
"I dedicate the settlement of Scott McIntyre's court case to the vigilantes & hypocrites who got him sacked"
does that sound like someone going with their tail between their legs? So basically you're making it all up because you don't haven't a clue but, bugger it, just blather on anyway. And sorry I missed the bit about where the 'grovelling SBS' bit was? As for the lawyer's quote. Sounds like an ambulance chasing scum bloke trying to drum up business.
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Outonthefull wrote:
"Mr McIntyre's actions have breached the SBS Code of Conduct and social media policy
Telling, he didn't say he breached his contract.
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