[size=6]Child sex abuse inquiry: Cardinal George Pell tried to bribe victim of paedophile to stay quiet, royal commission hears[/size]
By Danny Tran and Loretta Florance


Cardinal George Pell tried to bribe the nephew of paedophile Gerald Ridsdale to stay quiet about the sexual abuse he suffered at the hands of his uncle, an inquiry has been told.

Justice Peter McClellan said Cardinal Pell would be called on by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse to make a statement about the Catholic Church's response to alleged abuse.

David Ridsdale, the nephew of Ridsdale, told the inquiry hearings in Ballarat that he reported the abuse by his uncle to Cardinal Pell in 1993.

He said Cardinal Pell was not shocked and instead allegedly asked Mr Ridsdale what it would take for him to stay quiet.

"George then began to talk about my growing family and my need to take care of their needs. He mentioned how I would soon have to buy a car or house for my family," he said.

"I remember with clarity the last three lines we spoke together.

"Me: Excuse me, George, what the fuck are you talking about?
"George: I want to know what it will take to keep you quiet.
"Me: Fuck you, George, and everything you stand for."
Mr Ridsdale said after he rejected the offer, he hung up.

"After I spoke to my sisters, I was furious at George's response and I decided to call the police," Mr Ridsdale said.

"I rang the Bentleigh police station and they said someone would return my call ... about an hour later, the police returned my call and said: 'Are you aware your uncle was to be charged later today?'"

He said he was not, and later the police took him to the station for a long and "ultra-specific" interview about the abuse he had suffered.

Gerald Ridsdale was charged the following day with indecently assaulting David Ridsdale and several other boys.

The lawyer representing the Catholic Church's witnesses at the royal commission disputed claims that Cardinal Pell tried to bribe Mr Ridsdale.

Peter Gray SC said the cardinal had a different memory of the conversation.

Mr Gray said the cardinal would make a submission if asked.

"If and when the commission asks the cardinal to provide a statement ... I expect he will say the same thing," Mr Gray said.

Another survivor, Timothy Green, told the royal commission that the cardinal was dismissive when he reported that Brother Edward Dowlan was abusing boys at St Patricks College in Ballarat.

"He said 'don't be ridiculous'," Mr Green said.

"Father Pell didn't ask any questions, he didn't ask 'what do you mean?' or 'how could you say that?'

"He just dismissed it and walked out. His reaction gave me the impression that he knew about Brother Dowlan, but couldn't or wouldn't do anything about it."

Cardinal Pell, who was an assistant priest in Ballarat East from 1973 to 1983, later became Archbishop of Melbourne and then Sydney and now oversees the Vatican's finances.

He has previously confirmed accompanying Ridsdale to his court hearings in 1993, saying he did not realise at the time the impression this would give to victims.

Justice McClellan told Mr Gray that the evidence heard had raised "serious questions" about the church's response to child sex abuse.

"There must be no misunderstanding about this, these are significant and serious questions as to the way your client has responded to the allegations," he said.

David Ridsdale describes years of sexual abuse

David Ridsdale described years of abuse at the hands of his uncle, beginning when David was 11 years old, at a parishioner's farm in Edenhope during the school holidays.

"After that, Gerald took every opportunity to initiate sexual interaction with me," he said.

"He mainly abused me during school holidays or on weekends. Initially it was masturbation and then kissing and then oral sex.

"I remember the first time we were in the bush somewhere and he tried to make me perform oral sex and I gagged.

"He used to get angry if I couldn't perform the way he wanted. He never fully anally penetrated me despite trying many times."

He said the abuse continued until he was 15 years old.

Mr Ridsdale said the "charismatic" priest was the "shining light on my father's side of the family".

"I believe he represented the pinnacle for [my paternal grandmother's] Catholic achievement," he said.

"As a priest, Gerald held an almost supernatural level of power in our family and exerted a great deal of control over the family.

"He was treated as being better than his siblings and took almost full advantage of his exalted status."

He told the commission that Ridsdale once brought a boy to his grandparents' house, when he was a priest in Mortlake, as the boy's parents were going through a divorce.

"I remember that while we were at my grandparents' home Gerald stood the boy on the table and was giving him Eskimo kisses and kissing him inappropriately in front of the members of the family who were present," he said.

"I cannot recall exactly who was there, but it was more than just my immediate family.

"I remember being disturbed that nobody said anything to Gerald at the time.

"I remember as my parents were driving home from my grandparents' house, someone commented that Gerald's behaviour with the boy was weird. Nothing else was said."

Call for Cardinal Pell to apologise

Another witness appearing at the Royal Commission has also called on Cardinal Pell to apologise to victims.

The man, who cannot be named, was abused by a member of the clergy while he was at St Alipius Primary School.

He told the royal commission that Cardinal Pell should acknowledge the abuse that went on under his watch.

"I would also like Cardinal George Pell to publicly acknowledge that child sexual abuse was committed by clergy and Brothers under his watch as the parish priest in Ballarat East," he said.

"I would like him to apologise for this."

Nothing will happen.

You'd think God would've come down when these priests were buggering boys and told them to stop?

You'd think God would've come down when these priests were buggering boys and told them to stop?

Single worst person in human history is s big call? But yeah... George Pell is shit.

He's also a terrible debater, I'm not a Christian, but I just remember thinking that I could have done better than him in his debate with Dorkins.

dont worry, Catholics arent Christians either

“In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross.” - Friedrich "Fedora-Lord" Nietzsche

The fact that this happens is proof enough that a) God doesn't exist or, b) he doesn't give a shit (or you could be a gnostic and believe that the Christian god is actually a demiurgic, negative entity)

I'm in line with Stephen Fry's interpretation. If there is a god, then he is a monstrous hateful maniacal entity that deserves no respect from us.

Pell is a shitkunt of the highest order, there must be real consequences for this scumbag.

A god who is omnipotent would know the entire result of his creation before he makes it. Knowing the result of his decision to give free will does not explain away that problem.

Since God is omniscient and omnipotent, he's responsible for the evil acts of his creation: he knew they would occur, but failed to prevent them.

If God is responsible for the evil we choose to do, then we in turn are responsible for the evil our adult children choose to do. We know in advance that everyone does some amount of evil - at the very least, lying, insulting people or hurting their feelings, etc. - and that includes our children. We could choose to not bring this additional evil into the world by, say, getting ourselves sterilized. Thus we're in the same boat as God: we know evil will occur by our bringing children into the world, and we are able to prevent this, but we don't. Yet we don't hold the parents of adults responsible for what their children choose to do. (See also Gregory Koukl's statement of this argument.)

http://www.rationalchristianity.net/evil.html

Unless you know a human who has omniscient knowledge of the future the above is irrelevant as a comparison.

Umm no. If you're going to blame anyone, blame Eve.

Man has free will. All of the evil on earth is because of man's will not God's. http://www.openbible.info/topics/free_will



On his day of judgement he'll have to make his case. http://www.openbible.info/topics/judgment_day

Note: I'm an atheist and not after a theological debate. Just pointing out what their beliefs are.

“In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross.” - Friedrich "Fedora-Lord" Nietzsche

The fact that this happens is proof enough that a) God doesn't exist or, b) he doesn't give a shit (or you could be a gnostic and believe that the Christian god is actually a demiurgic, negative entity)

LooooooooL
What a shocking quote.... Jesus was Jewish...

It's not really evidence of any of those three actually.

no he wouldnt

man has to learn these lessons himself

And you think Nietzsche didn't know that?

If God really existed or gave a shit he would stop men living in his name from raping people

Lol@Fedora lord. If he knew dipshits like notorganic were actually going to be believing they understood what old Freddy was actually talking about, I'm sure he would have offed himself rather than merely talk about doing it. Don't blame the author because of the messengers.

Which makes this god a kunt then. Nothing stopping this all seeing, all powerful, omnipotent and supposedly "Loving" sky daddy from clicking his heels and making people less shit to each other.

For some reason the abc absolutely love stories that slate the church

Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ?

For some reason the abc absolutely love stories that slate the church

Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ?

And you think Nietzsche didn't know that?

If God really existed or gave a shit he would stop men living in his name from raping people

Of course he knew it, but saying that he was the only Christian is just so, so stupid. He was supposedly the perfect Jew... It makes no sense at all to call him a Christian.

Well, in your opinion.... However, the NT is pretty clear about God's justice being done through death....

Of course Nietzsche didn't think he was actually the only Christian (there's clearly millions of them), the meaning behind the quotation is to imply that he was the only one who acted like a real Christian as that was an argument in his book The Antichrist, amongst others. (I don't agree with that particular argument at all, MLK comes to mind)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Antichrist_(book)

I don't see how calling Christ a Christian is nonsensical. If anything he is the archetypal Christian, which we as fallen humans can strive to be like.

Plz tell me more on the NT's views

Edited by marconi101: 23/5/2015 12:21:09 PM

For some reason the abc absolutely love stories that slate the church

Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ?

Who says God is unlimited and who says humans are limited? Humanity has invented profound things such as medicine, technology, literature, etc without the aid of a deity. We can attempt to study the very beginnings of the universe and travel to space ffs.

If he is so unlimited and therefore wise/perfect why can't he stop small things (relative to his omniscience) such as child rape, religious wars and child trafficking? Or does he do it in secret like Batman?

For some reason The Daily Telegraph absolutely love burying stories that slate the church.

In Thursday's edition, I could only find a brief column delivering this story without headline or pictures on page 5 (that then linked to an Andrew Bolt story on page 13) wedged onto a virtually full page ad that featured 3x Jenny Hawkins in a swimsuit.

Would they be this enthusiastic over Islamic child grooming ?



edit: Oh and for the record, this Pell story was the abc.net.au/news top story on Wednesday, can you guess what was literally the top story on Thursday?

Spoiler alert: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-22/police-dismiss-claims-canberra-teen-targeted-by-is-recruiters/6488992

We have biological limitations (death, injury, etc) but as a species we can achieve anything, unfortunately most incredible things take longer than a lifetime to evolve into fruition.

God may well serve justice 'post-death' but that's unknown to us. We can't comprehend what happens after death, so why can't justice be served in the temporal world where we can see criminals being punished divinely, thus bringing closure to the victims/families and stopping all this debate? It all seems conveniently mysterious.

Forgive me if I'm harping on, in the middle of essays on the same subjects and I know very few people who openly talk about this kind of stuff (why I don't know, they're great convos IMO)

I enjoy it too. Especially when people can keep a cool head, which is rare.
Was raised in an evangelical family, so I know all the shiz and even did theological courses and study in my teens. But then I turned 17 and discovered beer and boobies.

I suppose in terms of justice, The idea is that God leaves the crimes against men to the justice of men and the crimes against God to his own justice.

What freedom is there in an interventionalist God?