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From a local Christadelphian church :lol:

The only way the EU can threaten Greece is if Greece wants to stay in the EU. The conditions imposed on Greece by the EU was "take it or leave it".

But Greece did not want to leave, so they capitulated.

If Greece were willing to leave the EU, they could do so tomorrow. They could immediately default on their debts as other countries have.

But they know that their legal and political institutions are weak, they have endemic corruption, and that the investment they do have, is largely because they are in the EU. That would all disappear if they went out.

The UK has a strong tradition of reliable legal and political institutions, so they are much less prone to collapse than Greece.

But the issue with the UK is not that they would have an immediate apocalypse, but that being outside the EU will have long-term consequences on economic growth.

If you actually read the full quotes and article about what the Spanish guy said, his actual position was that the EU could not do any negotiations with Scotland (Nicola Sturgeon was at the EU meeting) separate to their negotiations with the UK.

However, if Scotland LEFT the UK, that would be different.

The point was that Scotland could not be part of the UK and the EU at the same time.

Read what is bolded in Azza's post...

Yes Greece was threatened all the time.

I was in Greece at the time and Juncker and co were visiting all the time amid mass violent anti EU demonstrations. Athens was on fire and people were getting hurt, police patrols attacked even the Presidential Guard.

The EU did not want Greece to leave and the pro LEAVE Socialist Syriza won the election.

The rear was that Greece will spark the contagion much like they are accusing the UK of now.

Yes in the scheme of things, Greece's debt is a speck for the EU but not Greece. Austerity has and will obliterate the people into despair for 50 years, which is why anti EU sentiment is high in Greece. Eventually, the fascists will get stronger along with some other parties. They already get 15% of the vote. They want GREXIT. Pro GREXIT parties are getting 30% of the vote and rising.

Greeks are generally supporting of Farage and the BREXIT. This only fuels GREXIT. The time bomb is ticking.

What the EU could have done for Greece is actually given them a hair cut of the debt. That never hapenned. The debt has only increased and Austerity has reduce GDP by 20%.

Pensioners were given a 10% pension cut pushing many under the poverty line. These are EU enforced measures. More like black mail if you ask me.

Even to this day, they don't want Greece to leave and continuously threaten the Government with scare mongering. It will all end with the Fascists which btw I Would vote for under such circumstances and I never ever thought I would vote for a fascist movement. When people are pushed over the edge, this is what happens.

Now that we know BREXIT has not made the sky fall in for Britain, other countries will follow. It won't be as simple for Greece as it will involve defaults but once it's done it's done.

Edited by Aikhme: 30/6/2016 11:10:26 AM

it not after a vote, it before....when France and Spain say they will veto Scotland from joining a EU, it make it hard for the SNP to win a Scottish independence vote

my point on Poland is, the UK has power to get one country in the EU to say they would veto Scotland joining the EU , long before any Scottish independence vote

because, the EU is still full of poor countries who are no longer growing , or full of not poor countries who are not growing and have a very Protective non free trade ideas

Australia was working on a FTA with the EU, but it's now as good as dead with the UK gone....Australia would
d have to give up to much to gain the Germany, French, Italy and Spain markets

i'm no expert on financial rules in the EU, but i think the rules are, if your financial regulator is close to be the same as the EU (UK, USA, Australia, are) then you get full access)....

If Scotland secedes, it will do it with the UK's consent. Why would UK make that a deal with Poland to keep Scotland out in that scenario?

base on what? Spain just said they will veto it....Poland will veto it for a UK mechanized infantry battalion place in Poland or the Baltic

what the EU commission or EU MEP say, doesn't matter

Whilst there is a mutual interest to not go out of their way to punish the UK, you are missing the fact that the EU also has a strong interest in discouraging other countries from pursuing the same path as the UK. So they have an interest in making Brexit painful as well.

Also, London is the main financial hub of the EU. There has long been a desire by the EU to move this to a country that uses the Euro - likely Frankfurt. This was blocked by the European Court of Justice. Now the UK has left the EU they are outside the Court's jurisdiction.

So at the very least, the EU will do what they can to snatch as much of the banking and financial industry from London as they can.

Regarding the issue of trade - my point is that all the EU countries exist within a massive single market of 500 million people. I would argue that it is obvious that trade can be re-directed from the UK to other EU countries. I would also argue that it is obvious that this is harder for the UK as they have just removed themselves from this single market, and would have to finalise deals with a number of other countries, all geographically further away than the EU.

This should be obvious.

I cannot understand how anyone can seriously argue that the EU (single market of 500 million people) needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.

That is absolutely untrue.

At the time of the Greek negotiation last year, the EU presented them with a "take it or leave it" offer. Greece leaving would be the end of nothing. In fact it would do much to stabilise the financial mechanisms of the EU.

Greece has a population of 11 million. The EU has a population of 503 million.

Greece's debt is 315 billion Euro. The EU economy is worth around 12 Trillion Euro.

Greece is a speck. The only thing that stopped them getting the boot was that no one had ever left the EU before. Now the UK has left, the taboo has been broken. Therefore I think the EU may be even less forgiving of the greek debt.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 30/6/2016 09:10:31 AM

Spain has an interest in opposing Scotland leaving the UK, because they are worried about the Catalans seceding from Spain. So he doesn't want EU membership dangled in front of them.

However, if Scotland DID leave the UK, I have no doubt they will apply, and be accepted, into the EU.

Farage was a fucking commodity broker ffs :lol:

-PB

Politicians in US, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea push for new UK trade deals after Brexit

Politicians in the United States, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea are keen to secure new trade deals with the UK as it prepares to leave the European Union.

In the US, speaker of the house Paul Ryan has said: “We need to emphasise that they are our indispensable ally, we have a special relationship, and I think that does mean we should have a trade agreement with England – with Great Britain.

“That is something we should begin discussions with Great Britain to ease concerns so that we do have a smooth trade relationship with Great Britain because they are our indispensable ally.”

He is also quoted saying: “We would probably want to put together our own trade agreement with Great Britain, which would be easier to do actually. We’re in talks with Europe on something we call TTIP, but I think we should do a parallel track of Great Britain – United Kingdom, excuse me – United Kingdom trade agreement while we talk with Europe about TTIP. It’s very important that we maintain our very strong alliance with England.”

The prime ministers of Australia and New Zealand, meanwhile, have said they will work together to make new arrangements with the UK post-Brexit.

According to ABC, Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has said he will team up with his New Zealand counterpart John Key to negotiate.

"We have many, many common interests in terms of dealing with that, both from a trade point of view, from a movement of persons point of view," he is quoted saying.

"There are some big issues in terms of the access of Australians and New Zealanders to Europe and indeed to the United Kingdom."

Business secretary Sajid Javid has also revealed that politicians from Australia and South Korea have been in contact to call for “immediate talks on trade deals with the UK”.

Javid also said that he would be visiting overseas markets including China, Hong Kong and Brazil in the coming months and “reminding firms there that the UK is still very much open for business, just as before”.

http://www.cityam.com/244449/politicians-us-australia-new-zealand-and-south-korea-push

New Zealand offers UK its top trade negotiators for post-Brexit deals

New Zealand has offered its top trade negotiators to the United Kingdom, relieving the British civil service as it prepares for the strain of seeking new deals with countries across the globe.

The Telegraph understands that the Commonwealth country has made an offer to loan staff to the UK in a diplomatic cable sent to the British civil service, which has few trade negotiators of its own.

Wellington’s olive branch came alongside an offer to discuss a trade agreement with the UK, which would help Britain get out of the starting blocks and begin replacing the trade access lost as a result of the Brexit vote.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/new-zealand-offers-uk-its-top-trade-negotiators-for-post-brexit/

I don't know anything about the dude pictured in the background. But I'm looking forward to the direction this thread takes now. God I love this forum sometimes

Edited by adrtho: 30/6/2016 03:13:16 AM

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy opposes EU talks with Scotland

Mr Rajoy said that "if the UK goes, Scotland goes too".

"I want to be very clear," Mr Rajoy said. "Scotland does not have the competence to negotiate with the European Union. Spain opposes any negotiation by anyone other than the government of the United Kingdom.

"I am extremely against it, the treaties are extremely against it and I everyone is against it. If the United Kingdom leaves....Scotland leaves."


The French have also said they will block Scotland joining the EU




Edited by adrtho: 30/6/2016 04:34:23 AM

Yes it was populist. It was also brutally honest for a bunch of them and unusual for someone to speak like that which is why I enjoyed it.

True to a small degree or a large degree it was still good to hear.

The Australian parliament is full of people just like he was describing. Union hacks and/or political staffers straight out of uni parachuted or branch stacked into safe seats. Yes there's the odd businessmen, doctor or engineer but in the main they're hardly what you call a broad cross-section of the Australian community.

Yes I watched the video. Clearly that image is good because a guy that had a proper job was in the very same frame as him. The Last Leg tonight had an interview with another Lithuanian MEP. Seems to be an entrepreneur that owns a multinational sports betting company. Pretty hard to do that without "creating jobs".

Anyway, I know nothing that he says needs to be accurate, it just needs to be what small minded people want to hear.

The exact quote was "I know that virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives, or worked in business, or worked in trade or indeed ever created a job".

But well in for spotting the gulag survivor.

LOL indeed

so, what will come out of the European leader meeting (PM and Presidents of 28 EU countries) will be much softer, then the shit that coming out of the EU parliament and EU commission now

the EU parliament and EU commission have shown the world, they are happy to fucking see the EU countries lose jobs as fast as they can , along as they get to protective there hurt feelings and egos (there jobs and status)

Edited by adrtho: 29/6/2016 07:52:18 PM

this what happens the day the UK leave the EU

How?Just look at the trade deficits.

It is in their mutual interest to put together a trade deal that benefits them both.



Any source for this or just pure conjecture?



How so?

Just like the banking system , the EU is too big too fail.
It is renowned for its fudging to get an outcome , so wait and see.

It's constantly changing.

If you ask this question today, they will get close to 50%.

If you ask in 2 years time, 75% will euro skeptic.

but most greek don't want to leave the EU...there no way anybody can take the risk of a EU leave vote now ....it now a different ball game

Here are some more names that are being tossed around

Departugal, Italeave, Fruckoff, Czechout, Oustria, Finish, Latervia, Byegium, Luxembark, Splitzerland, Retireland, Exitpol, Adieutschland, Ditchenstein...